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Title: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 27, 2010, 05:32:21 PM
I was wondering witch graphics card is in general better: Radeon HD 5570 1 GB of ram or: 9800 GTX 1GB of ram?
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 27, 2010, 05:34:12 PM
google it...
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 27, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
I did, and have found much, but want the advise of the staff or members at mpcgamers!
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Jon415 on April 27, 2010, 05:54:25 PM
I was thinking about buying the HD5570 with my new HP, but i dont know which is better.  Are you looking to do more multimedia or just gaming?
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 27, 2010, 06:09:55 PM
Just gaming I suppose, that is interesting that that was the card you wanted to, I thought the HD5570 was much newer; then I looked at this: http://www.hwcompare.com/graphics/compare.php?c=GeForce-9800-GTX-vs-Radeon-HD-5750-1024MB-1GB- (http://www.hwcompare.com/graphics/compare.php?c=GeForce-9800-GTX-vs-Radeon-HD-5750-1024MB-1GB-) . Which one are you going to get??
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 27, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
Try best buy, they and several other retailers have a compare option when buying products. I am not sure if this will give u the info you need, I would look but I am on my phone :l
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Xfire Keenmike aka cull on April 27, 2010, 08:12:37 PM
I go on price and looks when the stats are close. Are the video cards close in performance? Which one looks cooler? Does your motherboard favor a certain maker of video cards? Also, Is for you price a factor?
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Jon415 on April 27, 2010, 09:10:48 PM
You do realize that link is to the HD 5750 and not the 5570, right?
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Xfire Keenmike aka cull on April 28, 2010, 01:48:42 AM
Quote from: password on April 27, 2010, 05:35:35 PM
want the advise of the staff or members at mpcgamers!
State your advise if you want. Mine stems from a unique angle, and usually requires information about the person behind the profile and their situation. Also, I like pictures.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 28, 2010, 07:12:25 AM
Later today I will compose a post that will have all the information you need to give me you advise!
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Xfire Keenmike aka cull on April 28, 2010, 01:50:02 PM
That helps. I am sure you favor one card obove the other, please state why also.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 28, 2010, 02:48:32 PM
I will tell you guys the truth, I am going to build a computer with this guide: [Link Removed] . I know the ati card may not work because it is not supported there but I wanted to look into a cheat ati card also. I want a graphics card good for gaming! I don't need to do much graphic picture stuff, I just want a cheap(140$ at the most) good card.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 28, 2010, 03:00:28 PM
u wanna put OSX on a windows machine...

fyi, you are more likely to get viruses on OSX that way. Dont plan on being virus free on that OS. just sayin :/
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 28, 2010, 03:04:36 PM
Thank you, but, I am set in my ways can you offer me any advise on the cards?

P.S. Is the 9800 GTX 1 GB ram good by today's standerd's ?? I mean it is not the latest but good right?
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: aeria. on April 28, 2010, 03:15:39 PM
Quote from: Soap Mactavish on April 28, 2010, 03:00:28 PM
u wanna put OSX on a windows machine...

fyi, you are more likely to get viruses on OSX that way. Dont plan on being virus free on that OS. just sayin :/

Since when? Mac OS doesn't get affected by windows viruses... Plus you can't (legally) install OSX on custom hardware.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 28, 2010, 03:17:27 PM
ag, I was reading that sense snow leopard, it is now legal!
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: shadow on April 28, 2010, 04:33:11 PM
You cannot legally install any version of OSX on any non-Apple manufactured machine.

Plus, it won't run as smooth.

OS X is designed for Apple computers.

9800 GTX is good, but not excellent.

The ATI Radeon HD 5750 1GB (not 5570 like your post says, but 5750 like the link says) is probably as good as the 9800 GTX. Maybe a bit better on numbers, but unnoticeable considering gameplay.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 28, 2010, 05:43:07 PM
you may wanna hurry up and finish this topic b4 Red sees it. It is illegal to install snow leopard on anything other than mac. (or maybe take the post out)
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 28, 2010, 05:44:49 PM
Thank you guys I will take what you said under advisement.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 29, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
*stupid question* does that mean that running OSX on a netbook be practical? since the hardware is the same
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Jon415 on April 29, 2010, 09:09:37 PM
What about the 5570 ?  I'm pretty sure thats the one from the original post
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: shadow on April 29, 2010, 10:20:26 PM
Quote from: Soap Mactavish on April 29, 2010, 08:20:09 PM
*stupid question* does that mean that running OSX on a netbook be practical? since the hardware is the same

Netbook? A netbook can barely run windows properly. Anyway, the hardware needs to be made by Apple so it runs as smooth as it can. What limits it is not the capacity of the hardware but who made it.

OSX was made for Apple products, if you simply insert the CD on another computer (aka PC) it will not install it. You would need to hack it. Hence the name of Hackintosh.

Apple wants its product to run on the computers they made so it is efficient, since they know how to program it and how the hardware could limit what the software can do. If Microsoft designed their own computers, Windows would run smoother on them than in Dell's, HP's or any other computer.

Quote from: Jon415 on April 29, 2010, 09:09:37 PM
What about the 5570 ?  I'm pretty sure thats the one from the original post

Again, like Red say, you could google "5570 benchmark" or "5570 review" and you could draw your own conclusions.

Some reference:
Anything over 24 fps (frames per second) should run alright, but you want to aim higher.

30 fps: Good for games that don't move a lot. Alright on others. Should be playable.

50 fps and above: good enough for most games to run smoothly and playable.

That's just reference, you will need to draw your own conclusions after experimenting.

Anyway, the 5570 its a basic graphics card. Don't expect it to be able to play today's games on settings higher than low, medium at max. The 9800 GTX is better than the 5570 but not as good as the 5750.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Xfire Keenmike aka cull on April 30, 2010, 02:12:04 AM
As for me, looks and price. (http://www.mpcgamers.com/smf/index.php?topic=1165.msg14760#msg14760)
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Katarn on April 30, 2010, 08:19:05 AM
Thank you guys for all your help! I think I will stick with the 9800 GTX 1GB of ram. Unless you guys know of a card that's just as cheap but much better.


P.S. Thanks agian you guys for all you help with this. Looking at all those benchmarks gives you all the specs but not the back story that you gave me!
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: Soap Mactavish on April 30, 2010, 01:22:01 PM
Quote from: shadow on April 29, 2010, 10:20:26 PM
Netbook? A netbook can barely run windows properly. Anyway, the hardware needs to be made by Apple so it runs as smooth as it can. What limits it is not the capacity of the hardware but who made it.

OSX was made for Apple products, if you simply insert the CD on another computer (aka PC) it will not install it. You would need to hack it. Hence the name of Hackintosh.

Apple wants its product to run on the computers they made so it is efficient, since they know how to program it and how the hardware could limit what the software can do. If Microsoft designed their own computers, Windows would run smoother on them than in Dell's, HP's or any other computer.

uhh no. i think red just said the hardware was the same.
Title: Re: Graphic Cards
Post by: shadow on April 30, 2010, 03:32:08 PM
Quote from: Red on April 30, 2010, 02:49:55 PM
A tad wrong, mate. Non-apple hardware will run just as fine as apple-approved. The main reason they limit hardware is money-I've said many times that my main problem is Apple inducing ridiculous markups on every one of their products. The other, smaller reason is for everything to be more stable since everything is running according to what they've spec'd it at. Nothing to do with efficiency.

Well, I've been proven wrong after looking more into the issue.

Here's a netbook compatibility list I found:

http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/ (http://www.mymacnetbook.com/compatibility-chart/)

You can also google "hackintosh netbook" or something among those lines.
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