ICW3 Week 4

[Dark_Phantom]

I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing.  Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.

The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans.  The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out.  If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed.  If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy -  A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc


- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works.  Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag


Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)

[Gen.Hond{snp}]

I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing.  Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.

The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans.  The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out.  If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed.  If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy -  A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc


- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works.  Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag


Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)

Thanks Phantom for clearing things up. As you see only Harry, Fry, Engel, and KF were Mercs.

[Shazam]

Thank you for clearing that up, Phantom.  As it stands, 1.0 does indeed keep Russia, but it is ultimately Oven's decision whether or not past ICW3 members (from clans that have already been eliminated) are allowed to join another clan without being a mercenary. 

Can we just leave it at that and let Oven make his decision?  Oven has enough posts to read as it is.

[Anyder]

Thank you for clearing that up, Phantom.  As it stands, 1.0 does indeed keep Russia, but it is ultimately Oven's decision whether or not past ICW3 members (from clans that have already been eliminated) are allowed to join another clan without being a mercenary.

U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.

[SirPimped]

U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.

YAK's members are clearly stated here [spoiler]http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6882.msg75067#new[/spoiler] and everyone else is a merc.

[Phobos]

U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.

It's entirely different for a bunch of clans to join ONE participating tournament clan and only play for that ONE clan during the whole tournament, than for say members who decide to join MULTIPLE clans participating in the tournament. The latter is unfair because it lets players who do this work together and attack 4 planets per week instead of 2. Members of YAK do not work together with other participating clans to take advantage of the limit of 2 attacks per week. We only participate as members of one clan for the tournament, while 1.0 and 212 don't.

I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing.  Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.

The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans.  The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out.  If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed.  If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy -  A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc


- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works.  Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag


Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)

Thanks Phantom for clearing things up. As you see only Harry, Fry, Engel, and KF were Mercs.

Since Dark Phantom and Hond are saying these wusi members are all in 1.0, then 212 used too many mercs on harbor.



Confirmed Mercs:
- Anyder
- Jamman

Confirmed 1.0 members pretending to be 212 members (therefore also confirmed mercs) These members use 212 tag yesterday as "official 212 members" and today they used 1.0 tags as "official 1.0 members":
- BabyEater (wears 212 tags yesterday, mustafar today)
- Wild (again used 1.0 tags today but 212 yesterday)
- ElmoTech (another wusi from 1.0 switching tags for battles)
- Jumper (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
- Nico (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)

Actual 212 members:
- Engel
- Zero
- Sonic
- FrenchFsryZ
- DirtyHarry
- Mart

So on Harbor, assuming what DP and Hond said is true, then 212 broke the merc rule by using only 6 real members and 7 mercs: 2 mercs with merc tag, and 5 players from 1.0 clan (confirmed by dark phantom and hond) who pretended to be actual members of 212.

Furthermore I thought Oven recently made a rule about players only being allowed to count as a member for ONE participating clan. If you are member of 1.0 you can only merc for 212, not play as actual member for both. Correct me if I'm wrong Oven but I see a clear violation of this rule by 212 and 1.0 members.

Edit:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/128783541-4.jpg
here you can also see better off dead and troy (official 1.0 members according to DP and hond) using the merc tags.

[Anyder]

Also, i'd like to say, that its funny how this time, 212 has broken the merc rule, but as YAK won, there are no complaints/arguements.

Will answer u tomorrow, im going to sleep now.

[Shazam]

[Gen.Hond{snp}]

Although there might of been to many mercs. Lets not forget what YAK did with switching sides during the game to grab a tank back to their base that was taken by Birdo (who wasn't jet).
That is still unacceptable.

[Phobos]

Although there might of been to many mercs. Lets not forget what YAK did with switching sides during the game to grab a tank back to their base that was taken by Birdo (who wasn't jet).
That is still unacceptable.

birdo might not have been the jet but there was someone who used jet to take the tank on mountain.
using jets is unacceptable especially after being told not to.

[BlackScorpion]

Since Dark Phantom and Hond are saying these wusi members are all in 1.0, then 212 used too many mercs on harbor.


Confirmed Mercs:
- Anyder
- Jamman

Confirmed 1.0 members pretending to be 212 members (therefore also confirmed mercs) These members use 212 tag yesterday as "official 212 members" and today they used 1.0 tags as "official 1.0 members":
- BabyEater (wears 212 tags yesterday, mustafar today)
- Wild (again used 1.0 tags today but 212 yesterday)
- ElmoTech (another wusi from 1.0 switching tags for battles)
- Jumper (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
- Nico (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)

Actual 212 members:
- Engel
- Zero
- Sonic
- FrenchFsryZ
- DirtyHarry
- Mart

So on Harbor, assuming what DP and Hond said is true, then 212 broke the merc rule by using only 6 real members and 7 mercs: 2 mercs with merc tag, and 5 players from 1.0 clan (confirmed by dark phantom and hond) who pretended to be actual members of 212.

Furthermore I thought Oven recently made a rule about players only being allowed to count as a member for ONE participating clan. If you are member of 1.0 you can only merc for 212, not play as actual member for both. Correct me if I'm wrong Oven but I see a clear violation of this rule by 212 and 1.0 members.

Edit:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/128783541-4.jpg
here you can also see better off dead and troy (official 1.0 members according to DP and hond) using the merc tags.

If you can only be an acting member of one clan, then I dropped the ball.  That one's on me, not on 212.
Because it's my potential error, I'll defend it.

I see a broad interpretation of acting members.

Allowing for acting members, Oven wrote that "clans may declare non-members to be 'acting members' for the sake of counting in the ICW3, as long as those non-members are also non-members of the other 3 participating clans" and went on to say that "[t]hese 'acting members' are counted as clan members in matches" (emphasis added).

That is, someone who is formally a member of a clan that is not participating in the ICW3, such as WUSI, can act as members for a game.  Now, I purposefully emphasized matches.  If someone is an acting president of a firm, for example, that means that they are temporarily president to fill a vacancy, keyword being temporarily.  I emphasized "in matches," because it defines--in my opinion--the temporary duration.  Namely, when the match is over, they are no longer an acting member and not covered by the restriction on members of the other 3 participating clans.

But I digress.  It's a poor argument because Oven wrote "matches" not "match," which implies that one's status as an acting member is something that will happen more than once.

[WusiBabyEater]

There is no where in the rule section where it says you're not allowed to quit a clan for a battle and join another for the next battle because that's what basically everybody has been doing. I don't see what the big deal is of quitting and joining. I'd rather see more people in battles playing swbf and let every one have a chance to participate.

[Gen.Hond{snp}]

birdo might not have been the jet but there was someone who used jet to take the tank on mountain.
using jets is unacceptable especially after being told not to.

Then this will just make a good reminder to take a picture of anyone breaking the rules such as being a Jet. So far I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
And true people should know not to be jet, but switching sides and stealing tanks? That is just common sense. 

[Phobos]

Then this will just make a good reminder to take a picture of anyone breaking the rules such as being a Jet. So far I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
And true people should know not to be jet, but switching sides and stealing tanks? That is just common sense. 

Common sense just like saying players on your team who used the MERC tag in a war are actual members of your clan, and then them also mercing for 212 saying they are in that clan, real funny.
And the battles will be battles recorded from now on according to Shazam

[WusiBabyEater]

Common sense just like saying players on your team who used the MERC tag in a war are actual members of your clan, and then them also mercing for 212 saying they are in that clan, real funny.
And the battles will be battles recorded from now on according to Shazam

I can join and quit clans all I want, you cant stop me lol