Quote from: Kit Fisto on November 18, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
Even better, get a tablet! What can you do on your computer you can't do on a good tablet besides PC games?
Get out. Now.
No I'm serious. Never say that again.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on November 18, 2013, 04:04:51 PM
Even better, get a tablet! What can you do on your computer you can't do on a good tablet besides PC games?
The only, I mean
ONLY reason I even have a computer is to play video games. ;)
Quote from: Carbon27 on November 18, 2013, 05:10:06 PM
The only, I mean ONLY reason I even have a computer is to play video games. ;)
And that's what I meant! Document/presentations are easy to make on a tablet and with the "cloud" there is no need for a flash drive. The
average person can do all they need on a tablet. I only use computers to play SWBFI & II.
Also tablets are like 50% cheaper than computers so... :shrug:
Quote from: SleepKiller on November 18, 2013, 05:06:49 PM
Get out. Now.
No I'm serious. Never say that again.
Ah! I've found a point of annoyance! Expect me to make as many SleepKiller-Tablet jokes as possible... :shady:
Just for arguments sake, what do you do on your computer that doesn't have to do with games? Can you do it on a good tablet? (not trying to be confrontational)
Quote from: Kit Fisto on November 18, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
The average person can do all they need on a tablet.
We are all above average here ;)
Quote from: Kit FistoJust for arguments sake, what do you do on your computer that doesn't have to do with games? Can you do it on a good tablet? (not trying to be confrontational)
Browse the internet properly. Many websites dont have mobline versions, or their mobile versions suck.
Do more things at once. More ram, more things.
Get betweenn functions faster.
And most importantly
VIDEO GAMES
Now, anyone want to argue? Go get a thread! (See what I did there?)
Im telling you guys a Windows tablet, a BF disc and a flash drive, I actually checked, Windows 8.1 supports BF1 and BF2
Quote from: Carbon27 on November 18, 2013, 05:10:06 PM
The only, I mean ONLY reason I even have a computer is to play video games. ;)
Hmm, well, like I said you should try hunting down if anyone else has had a similar issue on some tech support boards besides SWBFGamers. Of course, that is if your computer is not modified at all.
Also, I know you're not looking for a new computer, but you can make a decently good gaming computer for under $300 dollars. Of course, that would mean you couldn't run your settings on high, but you will get to play your games at least. :)
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on November 18, 2013, 05:31:46 PM
Im telling you guys a Windows tablet, a BF disc and a flash drive, I actually checked, Windows 8.1 supports BF1 and BF2
True, but tablet controls for shooter games aren't exactly the best. :confused: However, racing games aren't too bad on a tablet, I should know from personal experience. :P
get a keyboard
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on November 18, 2013, 05:32:11 PM
However, racing games aren't too bad on a tablet, I should know from personal experience. :P
What did you just say? They absolutely SUCK. I mean, you either are putting your giant thumbs on the screen, or you are tilting the screen you are watching. Either way, it's too hard to see everything in the game. Unless you get a controller. Anyways what I really posted to say...
While I was trying to post here 5 min ago, my port hub failed. Including my mouse and keyboard. Therefore, I have to turn the PC off by hitting the power off button, which is hurting my system. When this crap starts, it doesn't end. I have a clue why it fails, my precious, yet crappy, steering wheel. It's a system error, not a wheel error. Do I need a driver update? I have looked, but I found nothing to download. Help?
Also, I'm fine with the little bit of off topicness that my topics seem to get, but just try to remember that if my computer explodes, everyone in the world will also die in the explosion. ;)
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on November 18, 2013, 05:35:21 PM
get a keyboard
I use a keyboard for my iPad 2, but none of the games I have are compatible with it. Besides, using one hand to control your character's movement and the other to control his aim seems a bit overcomplicated.
Quote from: Carbon27 on November 18, 2013, 05:47:12 PM
What did you just say? They absolutely SUCK. I mean, you either are putting your giant thumbs on the screen, or you are tilting the screen you are watching. Either way, it's too hard to see everything in the game. Unless you get a controller. Anyways what I really posted to say...
While I was trying to post here 5 min ago, my port hub failed. Including my mouse and keyboard. Therefore, I have to turn the PC off by hitting the power off button, which is hurting my system. When this crap starts, it doesn't end. I have a clue why it fails, my precious, yet crappy, steering wheel. It's a system error, not a wheel error. Do I need a driver update? I have looked, but I found nothing to download. Help?
Also, I'm fine with the little bit of off topicness that my topics seem to get, but just try to remember that if my computer explodes, everyone in the world will also die in the explosion. ;)
I personally like the racing games. The ones I've played you simply tilt the screen to steer, and the acceleration and braking are done for you. If you want to do those manually, you have the option to do so. :)
As far as steering wheel peripherals go, I don't believe they have driver updates for them. Sort of the downside to those sort of peripherals, they don't always include driver updates. :P
Side note, this is my 1138th post! (If you get that reference ;))
Quote from: Kit Fisto on November 18, 2013, 05:23:29 PM
Just for arguments sake, what do you do on your computer that doesn't have to do with games? Can you do it on a good tablet? (not trying to be confrontational)
Programming. Lots of programming.
Also, I seriously doubt XSI7.5 or ZETools have a version that works with a tablet, so I would cross it (a tablet) off my "I want this" list in a heart beat.
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Everything I do is for the most part only compatible with Windows or Windows7 exclusively, and that's just the way I like it.
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If I were you, Josh, I'd be working my butt off trying to earn some cold hard cash to get a nice (or just rebuild your current) computer. (I hope to get a nice gaming laptop here soon, Windows7 just doesn't have the power of 3D graphics I need.)
Surface Tablet, it has a keyboard with it so its probably compatible with games
Quote from: -RepublicCommando- on November 18, 2013, 05:51:03 PM
If I were you, Josh, I'd be working my butt off trying to earn some cold hard cash to get a nice (or just rebuild your current) computer. (I hope to get a nice gaming laptop here soon, Windows7 just doesn't have the power of 3D graphics I need.)
Ok, I live in Wisconsin. With all the tornado crap around me, it has made for nasty wind and cold temps. The only people that will pay me are my parents, and that's outside labor. And a lot of it is too late to do. I'm 14, 90% of jobs in the paper say something like "Must be 18+". I have no way to earn real money. Every summer I do have a way to earn BIG bucks. So we shall see what happens, but I doubt I can find a job.
Anyways, please get on topic. Buckler or any other mod, can you make another topic for this? ;) Thanks :cheers:
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on November 18, 2013, 05:48:53 PM
Side note, this is my 1138th post! (If you get that reference ;))
Aha! ;)
I like the racing games on touch devices. Asphalt8 is amazing with super good graphics (for a phone game) on the 5s.
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on November 18, 2013, 05:52:34 PM
Surface Tablet, it has a keyboard with it so its probably compatible with games
You have fallen for the advertising! The keyboard with the Surface costs an extra $130. You have fallen for Mircrosoft's failed tablet advertising! ;) http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/accessories/browse
MICROSOFT!!! :lolabove:
You guys need to hit up anandtech and do more research, this topic is killing me.
I'm a programmer. So a proper computer offers several advantages.
Much, much faster CPUs. this gets me quicker compile time and faster Intellisense response times. Being able to have more open and switch easily and quickly is also important.
Secondly I'm a writer. Touch screens simply aren't reasonable for writing, it as is simple as that. I've never used a tablet plugin keyboard although I am betting it isn't as good as a proper one. Also the faster CPU will result in better performance which is always nice.
And tablets for me are just all round worse and not as good. I would never use one to browse the internet it just isn't as good a proper computer. And I wouldn't use one as a way to communicate on the go, that is what my cheap phone is for.
Honest question Kit, how much work do you do on a computer? You say documents and powerpoints can be easily done on a tablet but that simply isn't true. It is much more efficient to do it on a proper computer. Why are you an OS X fanboy? You do know the main stream use of them is as work computers by musicians and artists right? (How it is over here at least.) Yet you say that tablets can do everything just as well aside from games.
Lastly I'll just leave some stats here. Hundreds of millions of people use Windows. Only a small percent of those are what could be considered a gamer. Most people don't use their computer for games and they must have a reason to.
Whoever split this topic and gave it this title deserves a drink. It made my night. :)
Well the first post as a separate forum was SK and it was all about why tablets suck sooooooooooo... it was probably Kit since he showed me that a surface keyboard was $130
Kit doesn't have moderator powers unless it was granted to him within the past year.
It was a joke, it was definitely SK
Ill tell you ahat you have no chance at playing on a tablet.
[Spoiler] Crysis.[/spoiler]
Quote from: Ltin on November 19, 2013, 02:25:40 PM
Ill tell you ahat you have no chance at playing on a tablet.
[Spoiler] Crysis.[/spoiler]
Consider on the App Store there's the Infinity Blade series, and the Modern Combat series. Both games are very graphically intensive (I think they both run Unreal engine actually), and require a fair bit of power. However, they can both be played on tablets, and look graphically and visually stunning. They could almost compete with Crysis I think.
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on November 19, 2013, 02:57:25 PM
Consider on the App Store there's the Infinity Blade series, and the Modern Combat series. Both games are very graphically intensive (I think they both run Unreal engine actually), and require a fair bit of power. However, they can both be played on tablets, and look graphically and visually stunning. They could almost compete with Crysis I think.
Perhaps the first one, but it will not run 3. Im 99.999999999999999999999999.999999.9% sure
[ignorant opinion]
I think tablet's have a use, but gaming really isn't what I would use one for.
It would be cool to use a tablet in an inventory control or auditing situation. Portable, access to just enough 'umph' to run some decent spreadsheeting or tracking software. Though a simple palm pilot with a barcode scanner would be more durable and easier to manage while walking and working.
Reading in places where you spend a lot of time waiting. Perhaps even for note taking.
But use as a heavy computing device (ie, gaming) I feel the tablets would be awkward. I just can't justify owning one for any reason.
If you want a portable web device, you would probably be better served with an expensive phone. Something you can fit in your pocket. Unless you like lugging a backpack everywhere and having it searched in every store you go into but why are you carting an expensive computing device around to go shopping anyway? And if you need a backpack to keep it protected while walking around, why not get a semi decent laptop that can play some games as well?
Eh... skip it all... get a real computer, then a fancy phone and bypass the hassle of a tablet or a laptop altogether.
[/ignorant opinion]
-edit
Drawing.
That would be a good use of a tablet. But it would have to be one of the good ones with low latency on the touch screen, like an actual iPad. The others I have touched seemed like there was a slight delay or drag on the input, but the iPad,s were very responsive. So I can see them being quite useful as drawing apparatus.
Conversely, my old Tablet PC is awful for that. The screen is so thick, I can see the difference between where the pen tip is and where the lines are laying. Granted, I am not an artist, so ... I may be wrong about it being a good sketch medium.
ARM based tablets aren't capable of running anything on Crysis 1's level at the moment. Infinity Blade and Modern Combat (the latter is rather a mediocre series of games) are impressive considering the platforms they're running on but it's nowhere near AAA PC games.
To be frank, I'm pretty sure most of the people viewing this topic have yet to play Crysis 1 on high settings. There's no contest. ARM is rapidly evolving but it's not there yet.
I also mentioned earlier about my gripes playing games with relatively complicated controls on a touch screen. The player base for the most part isn't looking towards playing Call of Duty on a tablet simply due to the controls. It's a game best left for a full M+KB setup or a controller. While there are controllers available for tablets... it really hurts the purpose of a portable gaming machine if you can't hold the controller and the screen at the same time.
Quote from: aeria. on November 19, 2013, 06:02:54 PM
ARM based tablets aren't capable of running anything on Crysis 1's level at the moment. Infinity Blade and Modern Combat (the latter is rather a mediocre series of games) are impressive considering the platforms they're running on but it's nowhere near AAA PC games.
To be frank, I'm pretty sure most of the people viewing this topic have yet to play Crysis 1 on high settings. There's no contest. ARM is rapidly evolving but it's not there yet.
I also mentioned earlier about my gripes playing games with relatively complicated controls on a touch screen. The player base for the most part isn't looking towards playing Call of Duty on a tablet simply due to the controls. It's a game best left for a full M+KB setup or a controller. While there are controllers available for tablets... it really hurts the purpose of a portable gaming machine if you can't hold the controller and the screen at the same time.
Is Crysis all that intensive on the CPU? You could probably run it off a high end ARM processor if you used all the cores. (And run the battery flat in a second lolololol) The GPU is more likely to be were the bottleneck comes in.
Phones will never reach the power of PCs. It simply isn't possible for the same reasons why consoles will never again reach the power of high end PCs. Everyone keeps developing there tech. While ARM evolves so does x86. While phone GPUs evolve so do PC GPUs.
But let's say ARM does overtake x86 performance wise. And phone GPUs become equal to PC GPUs. What is to stop the three major tech makers from just taking that tech and effectively super sizing it for PC?
tl;dr version
Phones/tablets will never match PCs for power. Not until Nanoprocessors become a thing at least. (Even then my earlier point still applies.)
The Master has spoken. Silence.
I can run Crysis 2 on the highest settings...although my laptop would be in danger of melting after some time :tu:
Quote from: SleepKiller on November 19, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
Is Crysis all that intensive on the CPU? You could probably run it off a high end ARM processor if you used all the cores. (And run the battery flat in a second lolololol) The GPU is more likely to be were the bottleneck comes in.
Phones will never reach the power of PCs. It simply isn't possible for the same reasons why consoles will never again reach the power of high end PCs. Everyone keeps developing there tech. While ARM evolves so does x86. While phone GPUs evolve so do PC GPUs.
But let's say ARM does overtake x86 performance wise. And phone GPUs become equal to PC GPUs. What is to stop the three major tech makers from just taking that tech and effectively super sizing it for PC?
tl;dr version
Phones/tablets will never match PCs for power. Not until Nanoprocessors become a thing at least. (Even then my earlier point still applies.)
[spoiler=in conclusion](https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fn.nshrine.com%2F4722%2Ficonurl.png&hash=86628b049fc138289b634bd1b72e7798c4e2bada)[/spoiler]
[ignorant reply]
So, I have used tablets before. Simple games like Candy Crush, Angry Birds, and maybe Pacman are suitable and worthwhile (for free, not for pay, because I'm a college student and cheap most of the time).
I do not have a tablet personally because I like the feel of a computer better... seriously, what other machine can run all of my coding and modding stuff, school documents, powerpoints, Internet browsing and researching, and sticky notes (virtual) all at the same time? Yes, in theory tablets can do this. But they are nowhere as efficient as my (slightly aging but still good) laptop. I actually wish I had a desktop with me but that is physically inefficient for a student.
Keyboard, mouse, screen. Only the best gaming system. Only the best for everything else virtually too (almost, anyway)
[goes off on a tangent]
This is why Windows 8 was a failure in my opinion. It targeted users of tablets, thinking that everyone was moving over to that style of technology. As you can see just by looking at this thread, there is a clear divide on the tablet vs PC debate. I sit on the PC side, almost boycotting Windows 8 (I have used it. It makes me want to destroy new computers).
[ends rant and waits for the Windows 8 lovers to refute his argument]
I use Windows 8. (I wish I didn't have to.) I support your argument.
i've always hated switvhing versions.. I want a return to normalcy, but i fear that will never happen.. i was kind of glad to get rid of XP, except for compatiblity issues with what I do.
Quote from: SleepKiller on November 19, 2013, 06:27:45 PM
Is Crysis all that intensive on the CPU? You could probably run it off a high end ARM processor if you used all the cores. (And run the battery flat in a second lolololol) The GPU is more likely to be were the bottleneck comes in.
I haven't been following the high-end tablets... but they can probably run Crisis 1 barebones. Crisis 1's a crazy game. Took years before single-GPU cards were able to run it on high settings >60FPS. The game really was ahead of its time.
As far as iOS have been coming out, nothing stands out to that point with the exception of Real Racing 3. But then again racing games tend to excel in the graphics department.
Ah, Real Racing 3. Such great graphics, such poor gameplay. The only thing I hated about that game was the ridiculous waiting times you had for repairs. And even then, the money system in the game was extremely terrible. If you wanted to actually win the game you probably would've needed to have used in-app purchases a fair bit.
Enough of my rant though, apparently Apple's claiming the new iPad Air has "desktop-grade power" in it. I personally have a hard time believing it, but if it's possible then it won't be too soon until tablets do have the power of a PC in them.
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on November 22, 2013, 04:33:18 AM
Enough of my rant though, apparently Apple's claiming the new iPad Air has "desktop-grade power" in it. I personally have a hard time believing it, but if it's possible then it won't be too soon until tablets do have the power of a PC in them.
I'll believe it when they front up all the specs of there chips.
How many floating point operations can the GPU pull off in a second? If the answer isn't at least 2 trillion then it is a long way off desktop power. What's it's texture fill rate? How many Vertex Shader units and Pixel Shader units does it have? What is it's clockspeed? How much VRAM does it have? These are all question I've never seen Apple answer. (You possibly can't find them out by doing some research, but you shouldn't have to do that. It should be presented clearly and easily for me to find.)
With the CPU same thing. What's it's clockspeed? How big is it's cache? How many cores does it have? How well does it handle juggling threads?
The point is the same as the Xbox One vs PS4 power. Microsoft claims they have just as good a device yet here's the catch. Sony since day one has been upfront about what the raw number crunching capability of there GPU (1.84 Teraflop/s) Microsoft hasn't been. Now a small difference of around .2 wouldn't matter much. But the difference must be quite substantial to know that it would be worse to say it than not to say it.
What was I saying? Oh yeah. Also consider this. Around 10-20 years ago getting a super computer that was in the gigaflop/s was amazing. Now consider this. The most powerful supercomputer now has around 33 Petaflop/s of power. (That's 33 quadrillion.) Your average consumer graphics card has anywhere between 2-5 teraflop/s. (trillion)
Do the math, tablets aren't catching up to desktops. To be able to the industry would need to be static which it is far from. It simply isn't possible. Tablets will evolve and get better. But so will desktops. Maybe one of them is evolving faster than the other and will win because of that. Who knows. Even then what is to stop GPU makers from sticking a whole bunch of tablet GPUs onto a single card and thus beating tablets yet again?
tl;dr version
As I've said in my previous posts tablet's aren't catching up to desktops. End of story.
/thread
SleepKiller might be the only person in this topic that knows in depth about what he is talking about.
:P
Quote from: aeria. on November 22, 2013, 08:08:19 PM
SleepKiller might be the only person in this topic that knows in depth about what he is talking about.
:P
I know I haven't been in this thread yet, but... well, I know what I'm talking about. With the help of an engineer at my school, I was able to download RAM and SHEEP.
This thread was starting to suck.
So much for "/topic"