SWBFGamers

Hello players of SWBF,

Let me cut to the chase. I am Joseph (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=profile;u=238) (formerly [FC]Joseph).

This has always been the case. I'm online right now on Joseph's account; just ask me if you're not convinced. xfire = joseph9371.

Last summer I organized the ICW under the name Oven because I felt that for a tournament to be successful, the leadership must not be formally associated with any participating clan.

Until very recently, only Rage and Led have known this.

Why am I telling you this? Because until very recently, I have had no problem running the tournament in a fair way, without partisanship towards any clans or members. For example, FC's victories in the first two tournaments were entirely legitimate. I have tried to make the tournament as transparent and fair as possible; I'll let you all decide for yourselves how well I've succeeded.

That was all before very recently. But very recently I have received pressure from Rage, the other leader of FC, to bend the rules for YAK. This won't fly. And because I wouldn't capitulate, he has started a smear campaign against me among FC and YAK, but especially among FC. Here's an example of a post he made about me on the FC swbfgamers board:

Quote from: Phobos on September 08, 2013, 07:13:09 PM
Oven is the worst, most ungrateful admin I've ever seen. I knew I would regret helping assemble the map pack. I'm banned from week 5 which he is saying will be the best week now that I'm not playing, I'm banned from admin matches, and might as well be banned from the YAK.

In contrast, it's ridiculous how much cussing and disrespect Anyder gets away with, zero suspensions or penalties for this kind of behavior
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*I censored the swear words which were not censored in the chat log

This just goes to show Oven is a corrupt admin who:
- Did not even take poll to decide on recons
- Went against his own rules by allowing Anyder to play for multiple participating clans as a member (not merc for either): UEF and 1.0
- Went against his own rules by allowing Anyder to give planet(s) away to 1.0 when UEF resigned: Mygeeto
- Did not penalize 212 for using too many mercs on harbor (namefakers from 1.0) when the rule had been clarified before the week 4 battles started.
- Did not penalize Anyder for continual disrespect of admins and cussing.

I posit that Oven is clearly bending his own rules and showing a distinct favoritism towards the 1.0 clan.

and as such my decision to resign from YAK and the ICW is now final. Up to this point I have respected Oven, but now I see how those who don't, get away with it. Note to all remaining participants: It is acceptable to insult and trash talk players and admins without penalty or ban, driving a tank out of the map though? That will get you banned. I also learned my lesson about helping out with radarphobic map packs, so don't ever ask me for help with those again. Good luck to the rest of YAK, may you find the road to victory.

Further note that Oven is banned from ever asking me to help admin or set up mods or servers for any tournaments he organizes in the future: http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6989.msg74482#msg74482

Here's just one of the many PM's he's sent me:

Quote from: Phobos on September 13, 2013, 08:19:01 PM
after all ive done to help you with this tournament and ur gonna betray that by taking away my admin privileges?

i can do the same thing to you

and if you reveal secrets you were trusted with while in fc, i will tell everyone who you really are.

so dont try to threaten me or anyone else in fc thanks.

I never threatened him or anyone in FC; he made that up.

I hope it's clear to most observers that his "case" against me is a house of cards. This post is really only a small sampling of the literature he's sent to me, but I'm not inclined to publish the rest.

Rage is upset by my decisions after Week 4, when if anything I let YAK and him off too easily. I refuse to be bullied.

What hurts me the most is that, until this happened, I considered Rage to be a friend. I have been in FC for years, and known him for even longer. In fact, I have been a leader in FC for much of my time in the clan. Yet within the space of days he has completely turned on me.

Rage has blocked me from viewing the FC website, and told me I may post a resignation on the FC subforum here.

This gave me a profound choice:

1. Leave FC with some lame, dishonest excuse (which would still not guarantee that they wouldn't put two and two together).

2. Tell the truth, and let FC and the whole community decide who is in the right here.

I have obviously picked option 2.

What does this mean for the tournament?

This tournament is broken, and we will soon fix it. It will no longer plagued by constant cheating and disrespect for other players and admins, with more and more rules slapped on top of a growing wound like band-aids.

Why are we even playing this tournament, if not to have fun? Why let SWBF die in a state of bickering and disrespect, when the vast majority of these stem from a tiny handful of people? Why let the bullies win?

So the tournament is starting over. Sort of.

Mainly, I think it would be best to remove YAK from the tournament. Today, YAK had multiple name-faking violations (including someone who faked Unit 33, who is a founder of YAK and also makes our beautiful maps each week); moreover, they could not scrape together anough members to match their opponents properly (this is due in part to the withdrawal of several FC members from YAK (and that is because Rage said so)).

Now, most YAK members have done nothing wrong whatsoever, but my suspicion is that YAK has become a vessel for enemies of the tournament to ruin the fun for everyone else. Why make people show up to battles that are as pitiful as Harbor and Arena today? I turned away nearly 10 players who were ready to go on Streets. For no good reason. The harbor game was delayed by over 35 minutes because of name-faking.

So the tournament is now a battle between two "factions": 1.0 and 212.

Nixo and Hond have agreed to let anyone join their faction for the sake of the tournament. If you want to play, then play! These are some of the last large SWBF games that will ever happen. We could be filling servers to the brim each week; why aren't we? We could be enjoying the tournament, and not seeing it as a source of stress; why aren't we?

YAK's planets will be divided up between 1.0 and 212, and the tournament will proceed. Details, of course, can be worked out later.

Message for FC members:

This is my resignation. I respect all of you, and am proud to have co-led the clan. I consider all of you to be my honest-to-goodness friends, including Rage.

I know the drill: as soon as I post this, Rage will smear me to no end, at least within the confines of the FC website. I will become Public Enemy #1. I will be an irredeemable piece of garbage.

Before you join in on this ritual, and the echo chamber begins, please ask yourself whether you actually agree with it. Who is right here? Are you enjoying your time in FC? Is toeing the FC line worth sacrificing the ability to play in these battles?

Because that's what it will come down to. You will likely be forced to choose between complete non-involvement in the games to come, or being expelled from the clan and added to the traitor list.

It's your choice; make the right one.

---

I'm asking you all to forgive me for not being forthright about my identity; these tournaments absolutely could not have happened without it. And I'm asking that you help make the rest of our games friendly and fun.

Ask any questions.

Anyone who thinks that Oven showed even the slightest hint of bias towards FC, or towards any other clan, is mistaken.

I want to address something else in advance: there's a chance that Rage will circulate chat logs wherein I agree to allow him to use my name (Joseph) to play in Week 5.

This was a terrible mistake, and I feel very guilty for it. But nothing came of it: I changed my mind and did not let him do that.

I regret even temporarily agreeing to it, but I reasoned that he would only namefake someone else (since he told me so), and that this would be some kind of "compensation". This sort of "reasoning", of how best to please or not upset Phobos, is probably very commonplace. I know that everyone who's active in FC has been faced with these kind of decisions before.

But this is just delaying the inevitable. You can't start compromising, it snowballs. It has to stop immediately. So here it stops, before going anywhere.

We support you Joseph 212 will still play and we are willing to accept even FC members to play for us, I always thought Oven was a former FC. I have nothing but respect for you, Joseph. All those times you could have played for FC in the other wars, but instead chose to play as oven. I just wish Rage would grow up.

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
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Hello players of SWBF,

Let me cut to the chase. I am Joseph (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=profile;u=238) (formerly [FC]Joseph).

This has always been the case. I'm online right now on Joseph's account; just ask me if you're not convinced. xfire = joseph9371.

Last summer I organized the ICW under the name Oven because I felt that for a tournament to be successful, the leadership must not be formally associated with any participating clan.

Until very recently, only Rage and Led have known this.

Why am I telling you this? Because until very recently, I have had no problem running the tournament in a fair way, without partisanship towards any clans or members. For example, FC's victories in the first two tournaments were entirely legitimate. I have tried to make the tournament as transparent and fair as possible; I'll let you all decide for yourselves how well I've succeeded.

That was all before very recently. But very recently I have received pressure from Rage, the other leader of FC, to bend the rules for YAK. This won't fly. And because I wouldn't capitulate, he has started a smear campaign against me among FC and YAK, but especially among FC. Here's an example of a post he made about me on the FC swbfgamers board:

Here's just one of the many PM's he refers to:

I never threatened him or anyone in FC; he made that up.

I hope it's clear to most observers that his "case" against me is a house of cards. This post is really only a small sampling of the literature he's sent to me, but I'm not inclined to publish the rest.

Rage is upset by my decisions after Week 4, when if anything I let YAK and him off too easily. I refuse to be bullied. I refuse to be bullied.

What hurts me the most is that, until this happened, I considered Rage to be a friend. I have been in FC for years, and known him for even longer. In fact, I have been a leader in FC for much of my time in the clan. Yet within the space of days he has completely turned on me.

Rage has blocked me from viewing the FC website, and told me I may post a resignation on the FC subforum here.

This gave me a profound choice:

1. Leave FC, most of whose members I highly respect, with some lame, dishonest excuse (which would still not guarantee that they wouldn't put two and two together).

2. Tell the truth, and let FC and the whole community decide who is in the right here.

I have obviously picked option 2.

What does this mean for the tournament?

This tournament is broken, and we will soon fix it. It will no longer plagued by constant cheating and disrespect for other players and admins, with more and more rules slapped on top of a growing wound like band-aids.

Why are we even playing this tournament, if not to have fun? Why let SWBF die in a state of bickering and disrespect, when the vast majority of these stem from a tiny handful of people? Why let the bullies win?

So the tournament is starting over. Sort of.

Mainly, I think it would be best to remove YAK from the tournament. Today, YAK had multiple name-faking violations (including someone who faked Unit 33, who is a founder of YAK and also makes our beautiful maps each week); moreover, they could not scrape together anough members to match their opponents properly (this is due in part to the withdrawal of several FC members from YAK (and that is because Rage said so)).

Now, most YAK members have done nothing wrong whatsoever, but my suspicion is that YAK has become a vessel for enemies of the tournament to ruin the fun for everyone else. Why make people show up to battles that are as pitiful as Harbor and Arena today? I turned away nearly 10 players who were ready to go on Streets. For no good reason. The harbor game was delayed by over 35 minutes because of name-faking.

So the tournament is now a battle between two "factions": 1.0 and 212.

Nixo and Hond have agreed to let anyone join their faction for the sake of the tournament. If you want to play, then play! These are some of the last large SWBF games that will ever happen. We could be filling servers to the brim each week; why aren't we? We could be enjoying the tournament, and not seeing it as a source of stress; why aren't we?

YAK's planets will be divided up between 1.0 and 212, and the tournament will proceed. Details, of course, can be worked out later.

Message for FC members:

This is my resignation. I respect all of you, and am proud to have co-led the clan. I consider all of you to be my honest-to-goodness friends, including Rage.

I know the drill: as soon as I post this, Rage will smear me to no end, at least within the confines of the FC website. I will become Public Enemy #1. I will be an irredeemable piece of garbage.

Before you join in on this ritual, and the echo chamber begins, please ask yourself whether you actually agree with it. Who is right here? Are you enjoying your time in FC? Is toeing the FC line worth sacrificing the ability to play in these battles?

Because that's what it will come down to. You will likely be forced to choose between complete non-involvement in the games to come, or being expelled from the clan and added to the traitor list.

It's your choice; make the right one.

---

I'm asking you all to forgive me for not being forthright about my identity; these tournaments absolutely could not have happened without it. And I'm asking that you help make the rest of our games friendly and fun.

Ask any questions.
[/spoiler]

Well, i knew u were a FC Member (or former) as i told u in the conversation we had.

Quite epic how Rage talks at people's back cause he cannot say it to my face  :hehe: (Anyway i know what he thinks of me, birdo and the rest 60% of community --> i would tell u to check their site, but we made the site get frozen pending deletion)

Rage, lol, i played for 1.0 and UEF yes, but since Oven made the rule, im merc. for 1.0 so do not cry more please.
I gave the planet to 1.0 and he made the rule some days after (a part from map went native, lol x2)
I havent disrespected any admin, nor cussed (Go ask Scorpion), but majesty has done in ALL funwars.
Possibly ive told Joseph all i thought of him in his face, cause ye, im not a coward run-away who talks crap on people's back (like someone here).

Its pretty sad what Rage wanted u to do, just for trying to get a win. (Really sad)
Guess 1.0 and 212 weren't that bad enemies after all  ;)


Lame to see how he has blackmailed u.
I do not think he is right

Now he will come and start complaining and arguing with me cause of whatever reasons.

You have my backup. Either you're right, or you are a very very good liar :P

edit: Gotta love clan drama, amirite?
- Now over to you, Phobos.

Creating a different name was brilliant thinking and sticking to character this entire time is incredible. I am so grateful to have played in the ICW and will continue playing until you can no longer do these. You deserve the up-most respect from everyone who has played in the ICW tournaments.

Thank you very much for given us a chance to relive the SWBF experience.  :moo: :cheer: :tu: :cheers:
 

Josef ive known you since the days of VS and im here to support you as well

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
I want to address something else in advance: there's a chance that Rage will circulate chat logs wherein I agree to allow him to use my name (Joseph) to play in Week 5.

This was a terrible mistake, and I feel very guilty for it. But nothing came of it: I changed my mind and did not let him do that.

I regret even temporarily agreeing to it, but I reasoned that he would only namefake someone else (since he told me so), and that this would be some kind of "compensation". This sort of "reasoning", of how best to please or not upset Phobos, is probably very commonplace. I know that everyone who's active in FC has been faced with these kind of decisions before.

But this is just delaying the inevitable. You can't start compromising, it snowballs. It has to stop immediately. So here it stops, before going anywhere.

nico is 12 years old and he took being banned from this week with no complaints...he didnt try to fak ename...he didnt beg us to use our names or repeal the ban he took it better than a 23 year old

I think now i finally can make this post.Well,i would like to apologize myself for FC especially Elite,Kishan and Sirpimped.I`ve been banned for 28 years from FC site for telling Bird trues about Rage and the ways he acts and ended up putting them in the middle.For those who dont know ive been in Wusi before and still talk with some of them.I didnt know it untill today afternoon,but,Bird gave all my chatlogs to Rage on porpouse because he knew Joseph was going to make this post.He wanted to make things even worst for Rage as he knew Rage would ban me.I`m sorry for what happened as i didnt know it was a ''plan'',i meant every word about what i said to Rage and i hope now you guys will understand since none would expect Joseph to say such things about him.He sent me pms in this site with lies and acting with an one way mind even though i proved some stuff he denied as he always does.Once again im sorry and hope youll change your mind.

The plot thickens!
This is almost as good as the strange stories of Snakes maps!

Quote from: -RepublicCommando- on September 14, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
This is almost as good as the strange stories of Snakes maps!

Dont know them lol
But im sure its not better than this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXutQD_QLyI

I want to say something... but i dont know what to say...I see that you were never biased towards FC or YAK or anyone, and I think it's pretty cool that you decided instead of playing in the tournement, you actually made it. Well done I say Well done! :tu:

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
Hello players of SWBF,

Let me cut to the chase. I am Joseph (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=profile;u=238) (formerly [FC]Joseph).

This has always been the case. I'm online right now on Joseph's account; just ask me if you're not convinced. xfire = joseph9371.

I totally knew it, the writing was all over the wall

1.0 also agrees that we will accept mostly anyone to play for us as well(aside the ones banned) and lets hope we can have a 40 man server again and have FUN with no lawyer talk....I used to ask bird and wild what was so bad about playing in tournaments with FC(specifically rage) and since last week I finally understood what they meant by you have to see for yourself.

Quote from: -RepublicCommando- on September 14, 2013, 05:29:19 PM
The plot thickens!
This is almost as good as the strange stories of Snakes maps!

IKR just like that BF1 creepypasta

Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on September 14, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
IKR just like that BF1 creepypasta

is there really a swbf creepypasta?

I have alot of respect for you joseph. you were not even the reason for me quitting yak. this ttournament aside you will not be an enemy in my book and you will be remembered as one of the most trustworthy and loyal people I have met

Yeah, you are welcome to join 212, if you dare ;)
It was a very bold thing to do; both come clean as you are, and to set up a tournament that has been such a success despite various problems. I respect you for that, and how you managed to be unbiased throughout.

Guys, your support means the world to me. Thank you.

I'm about to sign off for the evening. What will happen tomorrow?

I say that, for tomorrow, we put aside the issue of who will join which faction, etc., and just play some games. I would have been able to admin the 2 EST battle, but none of the others. Scorpion said he could probably be on for those.

So how about I set up servers for Dantooine, Mos, and Mustafar, and 1.0 and 212 can face off? It won't be for keeps, just for fun. Everyone who wants to play, and is willing to do so respectfully, is invited -- we'll just fill up the sides so everything is balanced.

I'll make a server with the three maps, and we can start on Dantooine at 2 EST. At 3 we move to Mos; at 4 we move to Mustafar. If we finish a game early, play it again with the sides swapped. Between me and Scorpion, there should be complete admin coverage.

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 14, 2013, 06:02:10 PM
is there really a swbf creepypasta?

yea on the museum fourm its really weird

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 06:06:21 PM
Guys, your support means the world to me. Thank you.

I'm about to sign off for the evening. What will happen tomorrow?

I say that, for tomorrow, we put aside the issue of who will join which faction, etc., and just play some games. I would have been able to admin the 2 EST battle, but none of the others. Scorpion said he could probably be on for those.

So how about I set up servers for Dantooine, Mos, and Mustafar, and 1.0 and 212 can face off? It won't be for keeps, just for fun. Everyone who wants to play, and is willing to do so respectfully, is invited -- we'll just fill up the sides so everything is balanced.

I'll make a server with the three maps, and we can start on Dantooine at 2 EST. At 3 we move to Mos; at 4 we move to Mustafar. If we finish a game early, play it again. Between me and Scorpion, there should be complete admin coverage.

For making teams fair i suggest to have the setting on Team Assignment: Auto Assign

I am truly gobsmacked. I would've never guessed in a million years that you were Oven! All in all, This is definitely mind-blowing news! Also, big props to ya for standing up and coming clean like this, you get my respect for sure, even though I don't know ya a whole lot. :P

Good work Joesph, I respect you for what you've done. I think it took a lot of guts to do what you did. As for Rage,  :censored: Lets have some good battles this weekend and finally put an end to the shenanigans that we've had to deal with the past 2 weeks.

edited by Buckler.  No personal attacks.

Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on September 14, 2013, 06:11:37 PM
I am truly gobsmacked. I would've never guessed in a million years that you were Oven! All in all, This is definitely mind-blowing news! Also, big props to ya for standing up and coming clean like this, you get my respect for sure, even though I don't know ya a whole lot. :P

I totally second this. You've proven to be very honorable despite all the crap going on. I can't wait to see how the new ICW plays out. Thank you for being honest and carrying so much on your shoulders.

I really respect you Joe and what you have done. I'm sorry that the tournament has gotten out of hand. I think it has more to do with things "out" of the tournament then things in the tournament.

I have always tried to play fair during all the ICW's and I think I did so. I never try to attack other player's integrity, I only ever tried to see to it that the tournament was fair for everyone involved. Honestly, I try to be nice to everyone or at least show them some respect, even though they won't do the same for me.

I understand your decision to ban YAK.

However, I will say it's a little unfair for you to say the part about turning away 10 212/1.0's as if it's YAK's fault for not having enough members. What if it was the other way around? What if YAK and 1.0 teamed up on 212? They would probably only be able to muster about 6 people to our 10 or 12. Just thought that was an unfair statement.

Also, I'm sorry about the name faking. YAK has been in shambles after 6 or 7 FC members left and more shocking was Shazam leaving. This all happened very suddenly and I had no idea who was in YAK or not. As I told you over XFire, I had no idea who "zombie" was or if he was in YAK. But I said that if he was name faking he should be banned. Which he was. Personally, I feel YAK has been hard done by. However I see how you can view YAK as the "problem child" of this tournament.

I won't fight against the banning of YAK, because I honestly don't think we could get more than 5 or 6 members per match anyway. But like I said, I think it's a little unfair to blame so many things on YAK, because we have many respectable players.

I wish you, the admins, 1.0, and 212 all the best and hope for a more fun and enjoyable tournament.

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
Now, most YAK members have done nothing wrong whatsoever, but my suspicion is that YAK has become a vessel for enemies of the tournament to ruin the fun for everyone else. Why make people show up to battles that are as pitiful as Harbor and Arena today? I turned away nearly 10 players who were ready to go on Streets. For no good reason. The harbor game was delayed by over 35 minutes because of name-faking.

So the tournament is now a battle between two "factions": 1.0 and 212.

Nixo and Hond have agreed to let anyone join their faction for the sake of the tournament. If you want to play, then play! These are some of the last large SWBF games that will ever happen. We could be filling servers to the brim each week; why aren't we? We could be enjoying the tournament, and not seeing it as a source of stress; why aren't we?

YAK's planets will be divided up between 1.0 and 212, and the tournament will proceed. Details, of course, can be worked out later.
Ask any questions.

Not true Joseph as I said I wasn't going to post that theory publicly (no need to now that you've proven it beyond all doubt), I already decided not to play in week 5 despite Joseph urging me to namefake him. It's funny how you kick out YAK for no real reason after I already had quit the ICW. You proved my point that you are corrupt and completely against FC. How many players have tag faked 1.0 and 212? Alot more than the few who namefaked YAK this week.

You  have no legitimate reason to remove YAK, several players in FC already quit the ICW. Obviously you were just looking for an excuse to remove YAK from the tournament even though I had already quit YAK last week. Congratz on finding the lamest one you possibly could to prove your corruption.

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
That was all before very recently. But very recently I have received pressure from Rage, the other leader of FC, to bend the rules for YAK. This won't fly. And because I wouldn't capitulate, he has started a smear campaign against me among FC and YAK, but especially among FC. Here's an example of a post he made about me on the FC swbfgamers board:

I warned you what would happen if you tried to blackmail me.

I simply asked for fair penalization and you falsely accused me of asking you to 'bend the rules'. 212 and 1.0 were not adequately penalized and when I confronted you over PM you continued to go back on the rules established in week 3 about not allowing the same players to represent multiple clans. You bend the rules for 212 and 1.0 but not yak as proven. I asked you to make the tournament fair because you were making it unfair, and the lies you have posted about me prove my theory (backed by proof quote above, how you never penalized anyder despite his numerous violations) now beyond all doubt. You turned my initial accusation into full blown public proof of your own corruption. Joseph made sure to lie about everything when he betrayed FC and it's nobody's loss but his own.

212 and 1.0 have constantly been begging him to bend the rules, continually removing the advantage of defenders to make it harder on YAK. Oven always favors 1.0 in his decision because hes corrupt. he always lets them get away with cheating and not penalizing anyone except yak because of how corrupt admin he is. The worst I've ever seen by far. Further proof he is corrupt : Hijacking control over yak (without approval from shazam unit 33 and sirpimped) then within 12 hours disbanding YAK. Absolute corruption at its worst.

Quote from: Oven on September 14, 2013, 04:48:27 PM
Message for FC members:

This is my resignation. I respect all of you, and am proud to have co-led the clan. I consider all of you to be my honest-to-goodness friends, including Rage.

I know the drill: as soon as I post this, Rage will smear me to no end, at least within the confines of the FC website. I will become Public Enemy #1. I will be an irredeemable piece of garbage.

Before you join in on this ritual, and the echo chamber begins, please ask yourself whether you actually agree with it. Who is right here? Are you enjoying your time in FC? Is toeing the FC line worth sacrificing the ability to play in these battles?

Because that's what it will come down to. You will likely be forced to choose between complete non-involvement in the games to come, or being expelled from the clan and added to the traitor list.

It's your choice; make the right one.

---

I'm asking you all to forgive me for not being forthright about my identity; these tournaments absolutely could not have happened without it. And I'm asking that you help make the rest of our games friendly and fun.

Ask any questions.

And this is another huge post of lies in your desperate last attempt to kill/damage FC.

There is no smear campaign except for the one you've started against me, I've limited the exposure of your corruption to just the FC board until now (not yak) and now theres 100% proof of it, and its visible on swbfgamers not within the confines of our website. You aren't public enemy #1 quite yet even if you were hoping to achieve this by stabbing FC in the back.

Everyone in FC has agreed that you (Oven) were corrupt before you posted this thread, they examined the evidence and saw how you over-penalized FC and YAK while under-penalizing UEF/1.0/212. It was obvious ever since week 3 you favored 1.0 and by week 4 it became obvious you were willing to sacrifice your membership in FC to make sure the cheaters would get away with not playing fair.

Nobody in FC will be forced into dogmatic decisions you are spelling out for them, you have no authority over FC members anymore, they are free to do as they like. It was in spite of FC you kicked YAK out, nothing a mature tourney admin would ever do. The traitor list is quite small really, only a few have stooped as low as you but we move on.

It's the choice of each FC member to continue playing in the corrupt ICW3 or not, if they do they will wear [FC] and Merc tags for whatever clan they merc for.

Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 14, 2013, 05:17:41 PM
Quite epic how Rage talks at people's back cause he cannot say it to my face  :hehe: (Anyway i know what he thinks of me, birdo and the rest 60% of community --> i would tell u to check their site, but we made the site get frozen pending deletion)

Rage, lol, i played for 1.0 and UEF yes, but since Oven made the rule, im merc. for 1.0 so do not cry more please.
I gave the planet to 1.0 and he made the rule some days after (a part from map went native, lol x2)
I havent disrespected any admin, nor cussed (Go ask Scorpion), but majesty has done in ALL funwars.
Possibly ive told Joseph all i thought of him in his face, cause ye, im not a coward run-away who talks crap on people's back (like someone here).

Its pretty sad what Rage wanted u to do, just for trying to get a win. (Really sad)
Guess 1.0 and 212 weren't that bad enemies after all  ;)


Lame to see how he has blackmailed u.
I do not think he is right

Now he will come and start complaining and arguing with me cause of whatever reasons.

It's funny how much you talk behind my back anyway, things I can't say on this site or would get banned. I don't care about the win thats why i dropped out of YAK once i saw how joseph/oven was corrupt. Now he proved my point by removing YAK out of spite for me banning him from the FC website.

Quote from: WusiWild on September 14, 2013, 06:12:38 PM
Good work Joesph, I respect you for what you've done. I think it took a lot of guts to do what you did. As for Rage, it pretty much doesn't surprise me. The guy has always tried to play dirty and always will try to blackmail you. Anyways, good thing the community here has higher morals than Rage will ever dream of. Lets have some good battles this weekend and finally put an end to the shenanigans that we've had to deal with the past 2 weeks.

I never tried to blackmail him lol nice lies. It's sad you and now Joseph have such  low morals as to cheat and disqualify YAK out of personal spite, a clan I wasn't even in anymore. At least I admit my mistakes unlike you and the rest of the cheaters, I own up to them you don't b/c of your dishonest cheater low morals.

Quote from: Disciple on September 14, 2013, 05:25:23 PM
I think now i finally can make this post.Well,i would like to apologize myself for FC especially Elite,Kishan and Sirpimped.I`ve been banned for 28 years from FC site for telling Bird trues about Rage and the ways he acts and ended up putting them in the middle.For those who dont know ive been in Wusi before and still talk with some of them.I didnt know it untill today afternoon,but,Bird gave all my chatlogs to Rage on porpouse because he knew Joseph was going to make this post.He wanted to make things even worst for Rage as he knew Rage would ban me.I`m sorry for what happened as i didnt know it was a ''plan'',i meant every word about what i said to Rage and i hope now you guys will understand since none would expect Joseph to say such things about him.He sent me pms in this site with lies and acting with an one way mind even though i proved some stuff he denied as he always does.Once again im sorry and hope youll change your mind.

most of the lies you told birdo have been disproven over PM. I realize birdo is the most hostile entity on this forum and wants to destroy FC at all costs but he will not succeed. he may have corrupted our former leader joseph but we move on regardless.
I'm sorry disciple that you were unwillingly used as a pawn in birdos quest to destroy fc. I agree that nobody expected Joseph to turn to the dark side but it's obvious he was just waiting for an excuse to hurt FC all along. I gave you a chance to explain the chat log and you responded with more lies. We only tolerate so much dishonesty in FC.

Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 14, 2013, 05:46:38 PM
1.0 also agrees that we will accept mostly anyone to play for us as well(aside the ones banned) and lets hope we can have a 40 man server again and have FUN with no lawyer talk....I used to ask bird and wild what was so bad about playing in tournaments with FC(specifically rage) and since last week I finally understood what they meant by you have to see for yourself.

A worn out excuse used by those jealous of FC's superior skill. Yes we have seen FC dominate for ourselves many times, even when outnumbered and enemies using cheats. We all understand 1.0 cheated hard and Joseph supported it 100%.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 14, 2013, 05:07:55 PM
We support you Joseph 212 will still play and we are willing to accept even FC members to play for us, I always thought Oven was a former FC. I have nothing but respect for you, Joseph. All those times you could have played for FC in the other wars, but instead chose to play as oven. I just wish Rage would grow up.

I wish Mart would just grow up already. He does nothing but troll.

Quote from: SirPimped on September 14, 2013, 07:04:42 PM
I really respect you Joe and what you have done. I'm sorry that the tournament has gotten out of hand. I think it has more to do with things "out" of the tournament then things in the tournament.

I have always tried to play fair during all the ICW's and I think I did so. I never try to attack other player's integrity, I only ever tried to see to it that the tournament was fair for everyone involved. Honestly, I try to be nice to everyone or at least show them some respect, even though they won't do the same for me.

I understand your decision to ban YAK.

However, I will say it's a little unfair for you to say the part about turning away 10 212/1.0's as if it's YAK's fault for not having enough members. What if it was the other way around? What if YAK and 1.0 teamed up on 212? They would probably only be able to muster about 6 people to our 10 or 12. Just thought that was an unfair statement.

Also, I'm sorry about the name faking. YAK has been in shambles after 6 or 7 FC members left and more shocking was Shazam leaving. This all happened very suddenly and I had no idea who was in YAK or not. As I told you over XFire, I had no idea who "zombie" was or if he was in YAK. But I said that if he was name faking he should be banned. Which he was. Personally, I feel YAK has been hard done by. However I see how you can view YAK as the "problem child" of this tournament.

I won't fight against the banning of YAK, because I honestly don't think we could get more than 5 or 6 members per match anyway. But like I said, I think it's a little unfair to blame so many things on YAK, because we have many respectable players.

I wish you, the admins, 1.0, and 212 all the best and hope for a more fun and enjoyable tournament.

Yak members not only fake named but rage, who was a yak member, (who said hed left the tournament apparently)....according to josef also was trying to use his name even though rage being a yak was banned from playing ONE WEEK. so id think thats more grounds for a just reason for yak being taken out as well as what looked like your people purposely didnt show up like last week when shazam told yak members to leave the server on mustafar to keep the number of 212 down. and your guys had enough people, im fairly certain, joseph counted how many yak to 212 there were an even ammount of players if not like 1 or 2 down which made it seem like you guys intentionally told people to not show up so only( what we assume you thought) would bring our numbers down to 3 since the defenders 2 rule advantage

Quote from: SirPimped on September 14, 2013, 07:04:42 PM

Also, I'm sorry about the name faking. YAK has been in shambles after 6 or 7 FC members left and more shocking was Shazam leaving. This all happened very suddenly and I had no idea who was in YAK or not. As I told you over XFire, I had no idea who "zombie" was or if he was in YAK. But I said that if he was name faking he should be banned. Which he was. Personally, I feel YAK has been hard done by. However I see how you can view YAK as the "problem child" of this tournament.

bnm zombie is a legit player.  He's been around for years.  Idk if he officially joined YAK, but Majesty was trying to get him to leave the public server for the battle.

Quote from: hellish hellbird on September 14, 2013, 07:15:37 PM

Yak members not only fake named but rage, who was a yak member, (who said hed left the tournament apparently)....according to josef also was trying to use his name even though rage being a yak was banned from playing ONE WEEK. so id think thats more grounds for a just reason for yak being taken out as well as what looked like your people purposely didnt show up like last week when shazam told yak members to leave the server on mustafar to keep the number of 212 down. and your guys had enough people, im fairly certain, joseph counted how many yak to 212 there were an even ammount of players if not like 1 or 2 down which made it seem like you guys intentionally told people to not show up so only( what we assume you thought) would bring our numbers down to 3 since the defenders 2 rule advantage

Not true Joseph offered me to use his name, I declined, and have not played at all in the ICW this week. I already told YAK I quit before week 4 started, so Joseph is targeting YAK just out of personal spite.

Looks like a few 1.0 or 212 decided to namefake some YAK and join the server, giving Joseph an excuse to disqualify YAK for no reason.

So 212 and 1.0 will not be earning any victory, as they have a corrupt admin who disqualifies any clan he wants for no reason. I'm not even in YAK anymore yet he DQs them to get back at me for banning him from FC. Obvious.

We did not name fake anyone, buckler, majesty joined as ZOMBIE, not bnm zombie, and he even called hond a pig and talked about air killing him... it was majesty.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 14, 2013, 07:22:44 PM
We did not name fake anyone, buckler, majesty joined as ZOMBIE, not bnm zombie, and he even called hond a pig and talked about air killing him... it was majesty.

well OK if you didn't, i wasn't there so idk, its up to the server host to ban whoever is impersonating, and something like that certainly is not a reason to DQ a clan over a banned member (majesty) trying to play in battles when their tunngle can be blocked.

Quote from: Buckler on September 14, 2013, 07:17:19 PM
bnm zombie is a legit player.  He's been around for years.  Idk if he officially joined YAK, but Majesty was trying to leave the public server for the battle.

I think he tried to play a match but left server.
Then ''he'' came back (faked by majesty) and tried to play, but she (majesty) got banned cause of faking people.

Also Rage, i will tell u that a few people trust ur lies. We believe what Joe said, not what u have just tried to invent.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:09:11 PM
1) Not true Joseph as I said I wasn't going to post that theory publicly (no need to now that you've proven it beyond all doubt),

2) I already decided not to play in week 5 despite Joseph urging me to namefake him.

3) It's funny how you kick out YAK for no real reason after I already had quit the ICW.

4) You proved my point that you are corrupt and completely against FC. How many players have tag faked 1.0 and 212? Alot more than the few who namefaked.
You  have no reason to remove YAK, several players in FC already quit the ICW. Obviously you were just looking for an excuse to remove YAK from the tournament even though I had already quit YAK last week.

5) It's funny how much you talk behind my back anyway, things I can't say on this site or would get banned. I don't care about the win thats why i dropped out of YAK once i saw how joseph/oven was corrupt. Now he proved my point by removing YAK out of spite for me banning him from the FC website.

6) I never tried to blackmail him lol nice lies. It's sad you and now Joseph have such  low morals as to cheat and disqualify YAK out of personal spite, a clan I wasn't even in anymore.

1) U were gonna post it, as u like blackmailing people and we ALL know it.
2) lol u didnt decide it, u were banned
3) YAK Cheated, after being penalized, that means it should be kicked/banned.
4) He proved he isnt corrupt as u. U wanted him to be corrupt, but ur aim failed.
5) I have already told u by lot of ways what i think of u, and not saying at ur back, also its funny how u say people are copiers, but only u do is copying what other people do/say.
6) Oh yes u were lol. U should create a topic in forum games of inventing stories/dramas, im sure u will get an award as winner !
He didnt cheat or was corrupted as u wish he had.
If so, just prove instead of telling such great stories.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
Looks like a few 1.0 or 212 decided to namefake some YAK and join the server, giving Joseph an excuse to disqualify YAK for no reason.
Obvious.

Lol, lies.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:19:29 PMObvious.

Oh nice, the classic Rage making up things when he's backed up against a wall. KEEP IT COMIN

Quote from: WusiWild on September 14, 2013, 07:30:19 PM
Oh nice, the classic Rage making up things when he's backed up against a wall. KEEP IT COMIN

classic trolls ganging up on me with nothing but lies

Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 14, 2013, 07:29:26 PM
I think he tried to play a match but left server.
Then ''he'' came back (faked by majesty) and tried to play, but she (majesty) got banned cause of faking people.

Also Rage, i will tell u that a few people trust ur lies. We believe what Joe said, not what u have just tried to invent.

1) U were gonna post it, as u like blackmailing people and we ALL know it.
2) lol u didnt decide it, u were banned
3) YAK Cheated, after being penalized, that means it should be kicked/banned.
4) He proved he isnt corrupt as u. U wanted him to be corrupt, but ur aim failed.
5) I have already told u by lot of ways what i think of u, and not saying at ur back, also its funny how u say people are copiers, but only u do is copying what other people do/say.
6) Oh yes u were lol. U should create a topic in forum games of inventing stories/dramas, im sure u will get an award as winner !
He didnt cheat or was corrupted as u wish he had.
If so, just prove instead of telling such great stories.

Lol, lies.

nobody who is anybody trusts your lies anyder, oven showed the chatlog of you cussing him out, and he didn't do anything obviously but let you get away with it

1) i didnt blackmail anyone
2) I wasnt banned from YAK, i decided to quit after was banned from week 5, ask shazam or look on the YAK board for proof.
3) 1.0 and 212 cheated used to many mercs, using jets, tag fakers, harrasing names and more
4) He is far more corrupt than I could ever be, DQing a clan for no real reason. Taking out his anger towards me against people not involved with this drama who just want to play the game (majority of YAK).
5) Yeah you have talked behind my back i have chatlogs from other people who showed me things u said. I don't copy what ppl say when its false I disprove it.
6) Yeah he cheated i was not in YAK since over a week now.

Nice lies anyder.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
classic trolls ganging up on me with nothing but lies
nobody who is anybody trusts your lies anyder, oven showed the chatlog of you cussing him out, and he didn't do anything obviously but let you get away with it

1) i didnt blackmail anyone
2) I wasnt banned from YAK, i decided to quit after was banned from week 5, ask shazam or look on the YAK board for proof.
3) 1.0 and 212 cheated used to many mercs,
4) He is far more corrupt than I could ever be, DQing a clan for no real reason. Taking out his anger towards me against people not involved with this drama who just want to play the game (majority of YAK).
5) Yeah you have talked behind my back i have chatlogs from other people who showed me things u said. I don't copy what ppl say when its false I disprove it.
6) Yeah he cheated i was not in YAK since over a week now.

Nice lies anyder.

Rage if the players want to still play they can join 1.0 or 212 there were only 5 people in the streets battle and 2 in the arena battle so in reality how would that have ended for anyone? it would be enten and uef all over again

Quote from: hellish hellbird on September 14, 2013, 07:38:06 PM

Rage if the players want to still play they can join 1.0 or 212 there were only 5 people in the streets battle and 2 in the arena battle so in reality how would that have ended for anyone? it would be enten and uef all over again

Normally I would ask Oven to reconsider kicking YAK considering I had already quit, before Shazam quit, before I knew he (joseph) was corrupt, but I know he is not respectable enough to let YAK continue playing without me, using majesty's interference as an excuse to DQ them.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:40:01 PM
Normally I would ask Oven to reconsider kicking YAK considering I had already quit, before Shazam quit, before I knew he (joseph) was corrupt, but I know he is not respectable enough to let YAK continue playing without me, using majesty's interference as an excuse to DQ them.

Well technically josef is yaks representative so i mean i guess he has more of a say than you do on that matter?

Sup :censored:

edit by buckler:  cursing is not tolerated on this forum. 

I don't understand how you can say you didn't blackmail anyone when you OBVIOUSLY did in Joe's post. I guess you can go ahead and call me a troll, fascist, inbred, and whatever other insult you can come up with that usually makes no sense. Anyways, congrats on ruining a perfectly good tournament and thinking everyone is against you AS USUAL. You always pull this garbage and its pathetic. Now you will respond with pretty much the same post that I just typed because you literally have NO ROOM to talk to anyone here. You obviously tried to blackmail Joe and it's sad.

Do me a favor and stop lying about the 212th clan, are  you going to start posting week 4 stuff  again?  :wave:

Why can't we all just be friends? .-.

Quote from: hellish hellbird on September 14, 2013, 07:41:39 PM
Well technically josef is yaks representative so i mean i guess he has more of a say than you do on that matter?

where did shazam or unit 33 approve of that exactly? and for joseph just to become rep. for yak just to DQ them within 24 hours shows a lot.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 14, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Do me a favor and stop lying about the 212th clan, are  you going to start posting week 4 stuff  again?  :wave:

then do me a favor and quit lying about me and rest of YAK. only mentioned it since anyder brought it up.

Quote from: WusiWild on September 14, 2013, 07:42:50 PM
I don't understand how you can say you didn't blackmail anyone when you OBVIOUSLY did in Joe's post. I guess you can go ahead and call me a troll, fascist, inbred, and whatever other insult you can come up with that usually makes no sense. Anyways, congrats on ruining a perfectly good tournament and thinking everyone is against you AS USUAL. You always pull this garbage and its pathetic. Now you will respond with pretty much the same post that I just typed because you literally have NO ROOM to talk to anyone here. You obviously tried to blackmail Joe and it's sad.

Obviously I didn't, the theory I posted was proven right after all, congratz to you and joe ruining the tourney and taking your anger out on people not involved as usual. Your hostility is pathetic, it's sad you continue to lie about me which means you have nothing worth saying.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:34:45 PM
0) nobody who is anybody trusts your lies anyder, oven showed the chatlog of you cussing him out, and he didn't do anything obviously but let you get away with it

1) i didnt blackmail anyone
2) I wasnt banned from YAK, i decided to quit after was banned from week 5, ask shazam or look on the YAK board for proof.
3) 1.0 and 212 cheated used to many mercs, using jets, tag fakers, harrasing names and more
4) He is far more corrupt than I could ever be, DQing a clan for no real reason. Taking out his anger towards me against people not involved with this drama who just want to play the game (majority of YAK).
5) Yeah you have talked behind my back i have chatlogs from other people who showed me things u said. I don't copy what ppl say when its false I disprove it.
6) Yeah he cheated i was not in YAK since over a week now.

Nice lies anyder.

0) Lol what lies. Everybody wants to know this, what lies ?
Ya, he showed u what u saw on my blog of ICW3 Lies. lol, so what
Why would he ban me cause i told him all i/we thought of him ? Cause he will hate me after that ?

1) u did, there u got the proof, and we all know u would if u had the chance, cause u like having power everywhere.

2)Im not talking on YAK, im talking on turney. U got BANNED 1 Week.

3) Keep inventing lol We broke no rules, but u cant deal with losses

4) Lol, YAK got kicked cause of acumulating penalizations. Guess its fair for everybody but u

5) Ya, all i say to other people is all i say to u here, or somewhere else. (now come and say u do this also, and make me laugh more)

6) Ya, sure. Im waiting for the topic creation

Quote from: WusiWild on September 14, 2013, 07:42:50 PM
I don't understand how you can say you didn't blackmail anyone when you OBVIOUSLY did in Joe's post. I guess you can go ahead and call me a troll, fascist, inbred, and whatever other insult you can come up with that usually makes no sense. Anyways, congrats on ruining a perfectly good tournament and thinking everyone is against you AS USUAL. You always pull this garbage and its pathetic. Now you will respond with pretty much the same post that I just typed because you literally have NO ROOM to talk to anyone here. You obviously tried to blackmail Joe and it's sad.

Yea Rage, ure the one that ruins the fun of tourneys. Keep blackmailing.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 14, 2013, 07:42:58 PM
Do me a favor and stop lying about the 212th clan, are  you going to start posting week 4 stuff  again?  :wave:

And lying on all other clans lol

Quote from: BVBArmy | Sizzors{snp} on September 14, 2013, 07:43:40 PM
Why can't we all just be friends? .-.

Plz Faye, some people was born to not have friends xD

I encourage Joseph to gather the members of YAK, in particular
Unit33
GDH92
The Pusher
Sleepkiller

and work with them to help decide what should be done.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:19:29 PM
Not true Joseph offered me to use his name, I declined, and have not played at all in the ICW this week. I already told YAK I quit before week 4 started, so Joseph is targeting YAK just out of personal spite.

Looks like a few 1.0 or 212 decided to namefake some YAK and join the server, giving Joseph an excuse to disqualify YAK for no reason.

So 212 and 1.0 will not be earning any victory, as they have a corrupt admin who disqualifies any clan he wants for no reason. I'm not even in YAK anymore yet he DQs them to get back at me for banning him from FC. Obvious.

Quote from: Phobos on September 14, 2013, 07:24:21 PM
well OK if you didn't, i wasn't there so idk, its up to the server host to ban whoever is impersonating, and something like that certainly is not a reason to DQ a clan over a banned member (majesty) trying to play in battles when their tunngle can be blocked.

LOL Phobos you are getting more creative with lying or coming up with stuff. We are faking YAK players? Come on that is just so nonsense. Why would we fake YAK people?

You weren't there? 2nd lie already. Oven/Joseph was able to tell in tunngle. And what makes anyone believe that he told you to join. Where you can obviously tell he rather give up his identity, leave FC respectfully, and keep this ICW going then to break his rules. He knew what was wrong. And he didn't let you play.

He was the best person to do this. He is the most unbias probably being in a clan. You say crap thats not even true to use as a crappy comeback. Lies left and right. 1.0 and 212 will have a victory because we play more fair then you will. And we will get all the fun possible. WITHOUT YOU

Whats the point of YAK to keep playing if no one can come. There was no one playing although there were plenty of people on xfire to play in the streets battle. Half of the people had to leave. All the people in YAK rage quit during the Harbor battle. This way everyone can still play without having people ruin the game.

You ripped on Disciple for saying his opinion. You must be part communist. Or Facist because everything is controlled by you. I'd put an example but I think you might know who I refer to.

HI SCIZZORS! No bad language xD

Quote from: Phobos on September 13, 2013, 09:19:01 PM
after all ive done to help you with this tournament and ur gonna betray that by taking away my admin privileges?

i can do the same thing to you

and if you reveal secrets you were trusted with while in fc, i will tell everyone who you really are.

so dont try to threaten me or anyone else in fc thanks.


so you didnt threaten to release that info and those arent your words and a quote from you?

Quote from: Buckler on September 14, 2013, 07:47:33 PM
I encourage Joseph to gather the members of YAK, in particular
Unit33
GDH92
The Pusher
Sleepkiller

and work with them to help decide what should be done.

I suggest that those members could get the maps of YAK, and be called ELK, ... idk

Sorry  ::)

Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 14, 2013, 07:47:20 PM
0) Lol what lies. Everybody wants to know this, what lies ?
Ya, he showed u what u saw on my blog of ICW3 Lies. lol, so what
Why would he ban me cause i told him all i/we thought of him ? Cause he will hate me after that ?

1) u did, there u got the proof, and we all know u would if u had the chance, cause u like having power everywhere.

2)Im not talking on YAK, im talking on turney. U got BANNED 1 Week.

3) Keep inventing lol We broke no rules, but u cant deal with losses

4) Lol, YAK got kicked cause of acumulating penalizations. Guess its fair for everybody but u

5) Ya, all i say to other people is all i say to u here, or somewhere else. (now come and say u do this also, and make me laugh more)

6) Ya, sure. Im waiting for the topic creation


Yea Rage, ure the one that ruins the fun of tourneys. Keep blackmailing.

And lying on all other clans lol

Plz Faye, some people was born to not have friends xD

well yeah if u read i already posted them. and no i dont feel like reading more lies on your blog.

not true, yak never banned me, I quit because i was no longer interested in playing a corrupt tournament

I was banned for 1 week, week 5.

You did berak alot of rules, as has already been proven, you can't death with the truth.
YAK didnt do anything wrong at the battles from what i understand, a former member Majesty tried to interfere with the battles by impersonating someone, and joseph jumps on it as an excuse to DQ them. not fair to the 90% of yak who didnt break any rules.
you have always ruined the fun in tourneys anyder, keep lying and insulting out of jealousy. yes i know you were born not to have friends qq harder.

The whole community here is against you. You will never own up to your attempts of cheating because you think you're some kinda hot shot or something. Legit I haven't seen one person here defending you. All the evidence is stacked up against you and you try to spread some kind of story that makes no sense. Anyways, we'll have fun playing without you ruining everything. Lets have some fun battles guys!

Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 14, 2013, 07:48:31 PM
LOL Phobos you are getting more creative with lying or coming up with stuff. We are faking YAK players? Come on that is just so nonsense. Why would we fake YAK people?

You weren't there? 2nd lie already. Oven/Joseph was able to tell in tunngle. And what makes anyone believe that he told you to join. Where you can obviously tell he rather give up his identity, leave FC respectfully, and keep this ICW going then to break his rules. He knew what was wrong. And he didn't let you play.

He was the best person to do this. He is the most unbias probably being in a clan. You say crap thats not even true to use as a crappy comeback. Lies left and right. 1.0 and 212 will have a victory because we play more fair then you will. And we will get all the fun possible. WITHOUT YOU

Whats the point of YAK to keep playing if no one can come. There was no one playing although there were plenty of people on xfire to play in the streets battle. Half of the people had to leave. All the people in YAK rage quit during the Harbor battle. This way everyone can still play without having people ruin the game.

You ripped on Disciple for saying his opinion. You must be part communist. Or Facist because everything is controlled by you. I'd put an example but I think you might know who I refer to.

HI SCIZZORS! No bad language xD

Hond getting more desperate with the trolling. All I said is  its possible consider Oven needed an excuse to kick yak, why would you fake them idk so oven could DQ them?

I wasn't there, thats not a lie. You're lying by saying I was.

Oven/joseph saying I was there is another lie, I was not even in game at all today during the wars. I have not even had tunngle installed on my PC in almost a week.

Him lying about me is wrong, you lying is wrong. He was a corrupt clan member who is now gone. 212/1.0 has not earned any victory, they are cheaters and namefakers who dont play fair and neither does the admin. FC has lots of fun without you or any other trolls ruining our servers anymore.

Sirpimped and other yak said they would play. All you did was complain about how YAK outnumbers everyone, another inversion of the truth. I confronted Disciple over the chat log, I am not communist or fascist nice lies.

Quote from: WusiWild on September 14, 2013, 07:51:13 PM
The whole community here is against you. You will never own up to your attempts of cheating because you think you're some kinda hot shot or something. Legit I haven't seen one person here defending you. All the evidence is stacked up against you and you try to spread some kind of story that makes no sense. Anyways, we'll have fun playing without you ruining everything. Lets have some fun battles guys!

You and a few trolls are not the whole community. You and the rest of them will never own up to cheating because you have a corrupt admin who lets you get away with it. All the evidence proving joseph is corrupt and how you've cheated has been exposed  exhaustively already.

OK, this has gone on enough.  Locking this for a cool down period.  It's Saturday night and SWBF tunngle doesn
t work--go out or watch TV.   ;)

I typed a very long post so in short;
Joseph/Oven has done well
Yak has made some mistakes but should have a choice to continue
I would gladly fight for 1.0 or 212 if YAK leaves.

Long version:
[spoiler]First of all I would like to say that I suspected Oven was someone else but never that it was Joseph. Well done on keeping it up. Arranging the tournament under a made up neutral name could have been a bad idea but you have done it brilliantly. :)
You have been a good admin and done a lot for this game, I've enjoyed being a part of this. In my opinion you have always been fair, it can't have been easy having to make neutral decisions with friends involved.

YAK:
I think YAK should get the choice to continue. If you look at our members list we have lost very few. I will say that there have been a few members of YAK (only in this latest war) who try to make trouble but most of us respect the other players.
I also have no objection to joining another team if that's what the rest of YAK wants. My (slightly unpopular) opinion is that it's only about having fun, I try to win but fun comes first. :)

Yesterday was a bad day for YAK we have lost our leaders and were unorganised. I wasn't at Arena but I will tell you the truth about harbour as far as I know;
YAK started with plenty of players, I think at least 10. Thanks to Majesty we had new players including Zombie and some FA's, they had joined YAK but weren't on the members list yet as Majesty, even though banned, was finding us new players all the time. As far as I was concerned we had no mercs.
Because of the long delay and some confusion over tags, some of our new players left.
As I expect you know Majesty name faked under a few different names because they were banned from the tournament. We should have owned up but there was no leader to have final say and it didn't seem right to get someone who had helped us so much banned (although I did ban when Oven asked). That was wrong to not tell you about Majesty and I apologise, I had hoped it would be sorted when they joined and I wouldn't have to get involved as Majesty, like us all just wants to play.[/spoiler]

Whatever happens next, thanks to everyone who has organised, hosted and played in the best tournament ever. :)

@Rage, the reason YAK would be not "abandoned" is only because of numbers. Yes, a minority of YAK did wrong. But now Majesty has been banned and various other players have come clean there is no problem with them carrying on aside from the fact that their numbers may be lower than 1.0 and 212.

I would like to still play for Yak if we get another chance.

I have made a poll in the YAK forums to see if YAK should continue if it's ok with Oven. If we can get enough players who want to continue hopefully we can but we will need to find enough players to make sure we get good battles.
For the record we have 22 members of which I think at least 11 are active.
Edit: +2 FA and Zombie who aren't on our list because it hasn't been updated since Shazam left.
Edit 2: My mistake Zombie is on the 212 list, I was told otherwise :)

Like i said, why dont u play under the name of ELK and recreate the team ?

I think that YAK should be able to come back, just because they made a few mistakes mostly by one member  :censored: who has been punished and not having enough players for 2 battles isn't really a good reason for a clan to get DQ from ICW3 epically when the other two clans were breaking even more rules in week 4 and not just by one dishonest member but by a lot more members and they have been barely punished just by banning a few people from week 5. Now im not saying that Oven/Joseph is in any way corrupt or biased but he should at least think about allowing YAK to rejoin ICW3.

Majesty doesn't just want to play. He hates 212 and 1.0 and would do anything to see us lose, if he just wanted to play he wouldn't have flamed so much in the last ICW matches. I think he should be banned for another week for trying to play even though he was banned. Nico, who was 12 took it much better. He understood that he made a mistake, majesty, who is much older, couldn't even face the punishment. Also, if he did support YAK so much, why would he risk putting them on the spot light again by faking, and cursing in the wars again.    Call of duty, please tell me what rule 212 has broken, aside from the jet rule, which we were punished for. Call of duty? Were you even in the wars?

yea he was banned so he was punished even though he broke it he was punished but your right he should be banned for another week and thats pretty funny he couldn't take the punishment that a 12yr old could :rofl:

We should film that or we sell the rights to disney, that they film that. The movie should called: ICW3 -Lost in Chaos or ICW3-Apokalypse now or ICW3- When you think it ends, it will begin. Other ideas?

ICW3 is a network of intrigues like the politics, but very good entertainment (for me). With many mistakes on both side.

Lets play the funwars today. I think everbody, who want to play, should play and tommorow we take it from there.

You don't have to be there to know the facts that have been presented and proven aside from the jet rule, you also broke the Merc rule and the name changing rule that MORE THAN ONE MEMBER BROKE.

Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on September 15, 2013, 07:13:36 AM
You don't have to be there to know the facts that have been presented and proven aside from the jet rule, you also broke the Merc rule and the name changing rule that MORE THAN ONE MEMBER BROKE.

we didnt break those rules as it was proved

We did not. By the way typing in caps is considered rude. Want to see my explanation? Go to ICW4 Fiasco. Also, Oven didn't ban YAK because of majesty. He banned YAK because they did not let anyone play, they would only let the good players play. 212 had to reduce numbers, even though there were lots of YAK on xfire.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 15, 2013, 07:17:31 AM
Oven didn't ban YAK because of majesty. He banned YAK because they did not let anyone play, they would only let the good players play. 212 had to reduce numbers, even though there were lots of YAK on xfire.

I don't know if that's true but I seriously hope not, everyone should be allowed to play. Which YAK actually stopped others from playing?
I was on X-fire during Arena but couldn't join because of the Tunngle error by the way.

I meant took yak out of the tournement..

When I say 'I hope that's not true'. I mean about only the best players being allowed to fight, not YAK being out. I hope no one from YAK was trying to force smaller battles.
Just in case anyone misunderstood. :)

YAK is back in the ICW3.

YAK did have major, not minor, problems with namefaking yesterday. It wasn't just Majesty, who tried several times. It was also the player "Shapown" who I strongly believe was Rage. I can't prove this, but he claimed to be in FC and the way he addressed me suggests that he was Rage. Even if he wasn't, he was clearly a name-faker and left shortly after being questioned. Unit 33's name was also faked -- I'm not sure if this was Majesty again. The player Zombie appeared with the same IP as a previous name-faker, so I'm confident he was also a faker.

The number of fakers from yesterday is enough to warrant a strong penalty. I have no patience for this nonsense, especially after Week 4. At some point it becomes the clan's responsibility to stop the fakers. I saw no one in YAK take responsibility yesterday. The ones who were responsive at all were continually berating me about 212's Merc count, which I couldn't even bother with until I knew how many YAK were legitimate!

So the penalty that YAK receives is TBD.

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In light of the above, today's battles will go forth as originally planned (before yesterday).

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 15, 2013, 07:17:31 AM
We did not. By the way typing in caps is considered rude. Want to see my explanation? Go to ICW4 Fiasco. Also, Oven didn't ban YAK because of majesty. He banned YAK because they did not let anyone play, they would only let the good players play. 212 had to reduce numbers, even though there were lots of YAK on xfire.

Yes, this was one of my reasons. But I'm not as sure as I was before, and the Arena problems were at least partially due to the Tunngle issues.

These tournaments are suppose to be made for fun and for people to have fun in them, take a step back from life, not get worked up..

I find it kinda silly how serious some players take this old game, but nonetheless I can't say much because I haven't played in almost any of the wars except a couple LOL.

With that said I  think in general its stupid to blindly agree with ones opinion just because of a personal preference you've already made up for someone else, or to target them personally given the right circumstances.

Intense stuff, good reads.


-Hakuna Matata.

I didn't know Rage name faked, I thought it was just Majesty. YAK should get a penalty regardless, even though we had no leader someone should have tried to stop anyone name faking.
I honestly don't mind if YAK continues or not as long as we get good games, I just don't want so see YAK get a bad reputation because of a few people who can't play fairly after we've created a team that has survived 4 tournaments (including ICA) and the majority of whose members are good, fair players.
I'm not just saying this because I'm in YAK, I have in the past supported other clans when people said there might be cheating with Merc counts etc.

Edit: The poll I mentioned earlier is saying 100% for keeping YAK going so if all the voters and a few more turn up we should have good games. :)

I still believe that all the names being faked were all Majesty, though I don't have any proof. From my talks with Rage, he had no interest in playing the tournament anymore under any circumstance. So I don't believe he was apart of any of the name faking at all.

You have to be careful with IP addresses and tunngle.

Tunngle uses dynamic IP addresses.  So it is quite possible that someone can come one, get banned, leave tunngle, and then the next person gets that same IP address.

A better solution would probably be to have everyone declare their tunngle ID's then set up a private tunngle network with a password.  Only the approved tunngle ID's would be allowed to play.

There can always be issues with people using others tunngle accounts, but I think that would be a small issue.  Ping depends on the players physical location so that can be used to discern how far a player is away from the server.

Shap was a name that I heard mentioned. He is an inactive FC member as far as I am aware and could have taken that name. However he still needed the merc tag. Unit and Shapown were on the server at the same time.

Quote from: -=(212) Nixo=- on September 15, 2013, 10:20:25 AM
Shap was a name that I heard mentioned. He is an inactive FC member as far as I am aware and could have taken that name. However he still needed the merc tag. Unit and Shapown were on the server at the same time.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't [FC]Shap. He hasn't been active in a long time, probably hasn't heard of Tunngle, etc. And you're right, there was at least one point where two fakers were ingame at the same time.

None of the screenshots I have show them on at the same time, though that doesn't mean they weren't. I can post all the screenshots I have if need be.

YAK faked so we were in the wrong regardless, although I am intrigued who was who now. I hadn't realised there was more than 1 fake...

Quote from: SirPimped on September 15, 2013, 10:27:12 AM
None of the screenshots I have show them on at the same time, though that doesn't mean they weren't. I can post all the screenshots I have if need be.

I can't prove there were more than 1 either, so it won't factor in the penalty. Regardless there were around 5 or 6 attempts across Harbor and Streets.

The penalty will be: YAK loses an attack next week.

But no one will have patience if we are delayed by 35 min. by fakers again, so please try to sort things out as a clan instead of just leaving it to me.

Will majesty be penalized? If yak isn't out, can we still attack today?

Majesty is perma-banned from the tourney, and yes.

Quote from: Ten Numb on September 15, 2013, 07:17:31 AM
We did not. By the way typing in caps is considered rude. Want to see my explanation? Go to ICW4 Fiasco. Also, Oven didn't ban YAK because of majesty. He banned YAK because they did not let anyone play, they would only let the good players play. 212 had to reduce numbers, even though there were lots of YAK on xfire.

7 mercs were used only 6 members on week 4 harbor battle. too many mercs were used indeed this has been proven repeatedly.

Quote from: Oven on September 15, 2013, 09:48:17 AM
YAK is back in the ICW3.

YAK did have major, not minor, problems with namefaking yesterday. It wasn't just Majesty, who tried several times. It was also the player "Shapown" who I strongly believe was Rage. I can't prove this, but he claimed to be in FC and the way he addressed me suggests that he was Rage. Even if he wasn't, he was clearly a name-faker and left shortly after being questioned. Unit 33's name was also faked -- I'm not sure if this was Majesty again. The player Zombie appeared with the same IP as a previous name-faker, so I'm confident he was also a faker.

The number of fakers from yesterday is enough to warrant a strong penalty. I have no patience for this nonsense, especially after Week 4. At some point it becomes the clan's responsibility to stop the fakers. I saw no one in YAK take responsibility yesterday. The ones who were responsive at all were continually berating me about 212's Merc count, which I couldn't even bother with until I knew how many YAK were legitimate!

So the penalty that YAK receives is TBD.

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In light of the above, today's battles will go forth as originally planned (before yesterday).
Yes, this was one of my reasons. But I'm not as sure as I was before, and the Arena problems were at least partially due to the Tunngle issues.

I am not Shapown, that person is not from FC, and it was explained who he was by someone else a few weeks ago, but I don't remember who. Anyway I was not at any of the battles yesterday so you're still wrong to think that I was. I told you I have zero interest in playing in the ICW, so quit making things up about me by pretending I am Shapown, that is ridiculous.

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on September 15, 2013, 10:03:53 AM
I didn't know Rage name faked, I thought it was just Majesty. YAK should get a penalty regardless, even though we had no leader someone should have tried to stop anyone name faking.
I honestly don't mind if YAK continues or not as long as we get good games, I just don't want so see YAK get a bad reputation because of a few people who can't play fairly after we've created a team that has survived 4 tournaments (including ICA) and the majority of whose members are good, fair players.
I'm not just saying this because I'm in YAK, I have in the past supported other clans when people said there might be cheating with Merc counts etc.

Edit: The poll I mentioned earlier is saying 100% for keeping YAK going so if all the voters and a few more turn up we should have good games. :)

I did not namefake, stop spreading fallacies about me please. I did not play in any battles yesterday under any fake or real names.

Quote from: SirPimped on September 15, 2013, 10:15:12 AM
I still believe that all the names being faked were all Majesty, though I don't have any proof. From my talks with Rage, he had no interest in playing the tournament anymore under any circumstance. So I don't believe he was apart of any of the name faking at all.

This is the truth. Thanks for standing up for the truth SP. I quit YAK and the ICW3 last week and I have no interest in playing any battles due to the corruption.

Still talking about week 4, haha

Ffs, do not keep referring to previous weeks all the time...
For the final time:
Members: 9
Engel, 
Mart,
Sonic,
Harry,
Josh,
BabyEater,                                     
FrenchFryz,
Nico,
Zer0

Mercs: 5
Anyder,
Jumper,
Jamman(or whoever it was),
Elmo,
Wild
9:5 rounded to 2:1.
Happy? Ofc not... But I or any 212 representative will not discuss this with you on here. PM one of us, sure.. if it bothers you that much.

Back to topic.

@joseph
I played in the PLA server a few weeks ago under a fake name. "Sir Shapown" was flooding the chat with insults and was very hostile. I thought at first it was Helios so I asked him and he denied it. I don't remember who but someone else discovered who is is and he's not from FC, its also not [FC]Shap. Anyway  wasn't me, so please stop pretending it was.

@nixo

Quote from: -=(212) Nixo=- on September 15, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
Ffs, do not keep referring to previous weeks all the time...

Mart and the TCE brought it up here not me, also that list is wrong you had 6 members 7 mercs

Mercs wearing merc tags
- Anyder
- Jamman (actually birdo)

1.0 members not wearing merc tag but still mercs:
- BabyEater
- Wild
- ElmoTech
- Jumper
- Nico

212 members:
- Engel
- Zero
- Sonic
- FrenchFsryZ
- DirtyHarry
- Mart

Fair enough, like I said, it didn't factor into the penalty.

i feel like this SHOULD be noted that wild and i didnt officially start playing until week 4...which is when this all happened when yak started to lose.....now...you could be thinking oh this is because of X reason....but lemme give you a history lesson of tournys. going back to even the ggw3 on the forums( which are closed now) it specifcally banned FC for this reason(even at that time i thought that was unfair to do until i found out the reason much like hond has nowadays). fast forward to the GGCW. they lost battles and complained about things like oh there was a slight lag spike that caused all our cps to be capped punish X clan. Most of the posts had been deleted by darman at this time probably to supress how they were then but some still exist. now lets fastforward to the now. Every battle prior to this one i heard no complaints and saw no complaints. is it not odd how when wild and i give 1.0 and 212 strategies and fight and WIN against yak they start to complain about "oh the sun was in my eye because of nuclear radiation from godzilla so we need to do a rematch". and NEVER let go of the past complaints either. ever. as you can see in this thread...something not about week 4 AFTER the dicussions have been done to DEATH its till being brought up by someone who claims to not care about the icw3 anymore...find that odd...so go ahead and tear apart my post now rage...on a side note i saw your signature....and i found my old one with our plane duel all those years ago stashed away on my old computer ^^

Quote from: hellish hellbird on September 15, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
i feel like this SHOULD be noted that wild and i didnt officially start playing until week 4...which is when this all happened when yak started to lose.....now...you could be thinking oh this is because of X reason....but lemme give you a history lesson of tournys. going back to even the ggw3 on the forums( which are closed now) it specifcally banned FC for this reason(even at that time i thought that was unfair to do until i found out the reason much like hond has nowadays). fast forward to the GGCW. they lost battles and complained about things like oh there was a slight lag spike that caused all our cps to be capped punish X clan. Most of the posts had been deleted by darman at this time probably to supress how they were then but some still exist. now lets fastforward to the now. Every battle prior to this one i heard no complaints and saw no complaints. is it not odd how when wild and i give 1.0 and 212 strategies and fight and WIN against yak they start to complain about "oh the sun was in my eye because of nuclear radiation from godzilla so we need to do a rematch". and NEVER let go of the past complaints either. ever. as you can see in this thread...something not about week 4 AFTER the dicussions have been done to DEATH its till being brought up by someone who claims to not care about the icw3 anymore...find that odd...so go ahead and tear apart my post now rage...on a side note i saw your signature....and i found my old one with our plane duel all those years ago stashed away on my old computer ^^

YAK didn't start to lose until 1.0/212 started to cheat. FC won the GGW3 before Shane and Wild shut it down at the end also. We won despite your WUSI hosting laggy servers with 200+ ping. We weren't banned by anyone except *surprise* wusi admins for owning them. Also you cried alot about SirPimped accusing him of glitching on purpose trying to get the match thrown because you lost xD. I remember owning you in plane duels since 2009 so your picture is quite a bit outdated lol
i said i dont care about participating in the icw3 anymore due to corruption, but will still refute any lies about me posted here. ie. saying i am shapown.

rage if u say u do not care about this tourney anymore, why u keep commenting ?

Lol, no one really cares about you name faking whether you did or not. But it was kind of shall we say Bad? For you to try or even make it look like you were blackmailing Oven/Joseph, I don't understand why you would want to win so bad that you would kick one of your "Friends" out of your clan and basically try to corrupt him, as you say the tournament is corrupted now, but you were the one trying to corrupt it.

Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 15, 2013, 12:36:37 PM
rage if u say u do not care about this tourney anymore, why u keep commenting ?

why do you not read my posts?

Quote from: Phobos on September 15, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
i said i dont care about participating in the icw3 anymore due to corruption, but will still refute any lies about me posted here. ie. saying i am shapown.

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
Lol, no one really cares about you name faking whether you did or not. But it was kind of shall we say Bad? For you to try or even make it look like you were blackmailing Oven/Joseph, I don't understand why you would want to win so bad that you would kick one of your "Friends" out of your clan and basically try to corrupt him, as you say the tournament is corrupted now, but you were the one trying to corrupt it.

I didn't name fake so nobody cares about you and others pretending I did. He was kicked for being corrupt, you and others have made the tourney corrupt. I wasn't blackmailing anyone I asked for fair penalties, and I don't care about the win, we already won enough without cheating, so you can stop making up lies already. Joseph was kicked b/c of his corruption so not a friend.

Quote from: Phobos on September 15, 2013, 12:49:05 PM
I didn't name fake so nobody cares about you and others pretending I did. He was kicked for being corrupt, you and others have made the tourney corrupt. I wasn't blackmailing anyone and don't care about the win, we already won enough without cheating, so you can stop making up lies already.

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
Lol, no one really cares about you name faking whether you did or not.

READ IT!

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 12:52:04 PM
READ IT!

stop accusing me of name faking and playing in yesterdays battles nobody cares so enough with the false accusations

I never accused you of name faking! I said very clearly!

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 12:37:37 PM
Lol, no one really cares about you name faking whether you did or not.

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 12:55:37 PM
I never accused you of name faking! I said very clearly!

Oven apparently did enough to accuse me of it in the OP. And he has now accepted the fact that I didn't, your point is moot.

....All I have to say is in my sig.

Quote from: Phobos on September 15, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
YAK didn't start to lose until 1.0/212 started to cheat. FC won the GGW3 before Shane and Wild shut it down at the end also. We won despite your WUSI hosting laggy servers with 200+ ping. We weren't banned by anyone except *surprise* wusi admins for owning them. Also you cried alot about SirPimped accusing him of glitching on purpose trying to get the match thrown because you lost xD. I remember owning you in plane duels since 2009 so your picture is quite a bit outdated lol
i said i dont care about participating in the icw3 anymore due to corruption, but will still refute any lies about me posted here. ie. saying i am shapown.

I thought FC cheated in the GGCW or whatever its called(the one penguin was the admin). FC complained and cheated because they kept losing. Then when you guys got caught cheating , then you started complaining how the tournament was rigged and you guys dropped out of the tournament lol

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 15, 2013, 04:12:21 PM
I thought FC cheated in the GGCW or whatever its called(the one penguin was the admin). FC complained and cheated because they kept losing. Then when you guys got caught cheating , then you started complaining how the tournament was rigged and you guys dropped out of the tournament lol

FC never cheated in the ggw, wusi did and shane shut down the tournament because we were winning. We never dropped out either lol it was rigged by wusi members but we still dominated.

 :censored:


edit by buckle:  be constructive

Quote from: Phobos on September 15, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
YAK didn't start to lose until 1.0/212 started to cheat. FC won the GGW3 before Shane and Wild shut it down at the end also. We won despite your WUSI hosting laggy servers with 200+ ping. We weren't banned by anyone except *surprise* wusi admins for owning them. Also you cried alot about SirPimped accusing him of glitching on purpose trying to get the match thrown because you lost xD. I remember owning you in plane duels since 2009 so your picture is quite a bit outdated lol
i said i dont care about participating in the icw3 anymore due to corruption, but will still refute any lies about me posted here. ie. saying i am shapown.

WHOAAA, fact check here. I was in -DssR- in the GGW3 and we won the GGW after most clans dropped out due to not enough members. Don't know how me and Shane shut it down since we were never admins. You were spamming the forums because you thought Skywagger was a fascist and a cheater somehow as usual. YET ANOTHER misconception this failed leader has brought to the table.

Quote from: WusiWild on September 15, 2013, 04:23:40 PM
WHOAAA, fact check here. I was in -DssR- in the GGW3 and we won the GGW after most clans dropped out due to not enough members. Don't know how me and Shane shut it down since we were never admins. You were spamming the forums because you thought Skywagger was a fascist and a cheater somehow as usual. YET ANOTHER misconception this failed leader has brought to the table.

Not talking about skywaggers tourney and i didnt spam his forums only posted a few times on the gb, facts are we won the ggcw3 (the one froggy started) and shane shut it down shortly after becoming admin because FC was winning.

Quote from: WusiWild on September 15, 2013, 04:26:43 PM
Whatever your little heart desires my friend, I don't care anymore

same goes for u

Let's move on from past tournaments. 

Quote from: Phobos on September 15, 2013, 04:25:20 PM
Not talking about skywaggers tourney and i didnt spam his forums only posted a few times on the gb, facts are we won the ggcw3 (the one froggy started) and shane shut it down shortly after becoming admin because FC was winning.

Whatever your little heart desires my friend, I don't care anymore

Lets all just be friends  ::) No more arguing.

Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on September 15, 2013, 04:28:29 PM
Lets all just be friends  ::) No more arguing.

good luck with that my friend ever time i refresh another post pops up and its about hashing the guy who posted the last reply

Don't worry, it will be locked soon since Kit asked :D

So, how about those Football games today?