I'm mainly using this as a testing ground for stuff that's in my Main Play Mod, but, yeah. Basically I'm making a Coruscant Space map.
These are the following features thus far:
- All craft accounted for
- Prop Capital ships have been assembled in the battle around the main area to give a better impression of a massive-scale battle.
- Lightsaber Hilts!
- Vehicles have been made a little more canonical. The ARC-170 now has 3 seats!
- Invasion Parties - Prop Gunships allow for you to spawn on the enemy's capital ship (Napseeker gets the credit for this idea)
- Episode III music, straight from the official album.
- Pilot, Marine and Officer classes. Marine and Pilot are the same as BF2, while the Officer is a brand-new addition.
Screens are pending. I've just started work on the mainframe of it all.
If theres any way to make the hangars less laggy than napseekers coruscant mod, it would be greatly appreciated.
I believe that there was a map called the clone wars space map CWSM on http://www.the-pants.org that had a map like this except with no side mod.
Also, it would be very cool if there was a way to incorporate napseekers buzz droid attack in the tri-fighter as a missile weapon that on impact with another ship, releases buzz droids that sabatoge it and make the pilot bail out :P The three blue missiles taht firefrom the tri fighter are not accurate-those things on the wings are lasers. the blue missiles in fact come fron the vulture droids, wich are also incorrect in SWBF2 as they fire proton torpedoes.
***I have to just say one thing-In my opinion the arc-170 lasers in the mpm fire too fast, overheat too fast, and still look red. The CWSM had a better version of the lasers (seems about the same overheat rate and ROF of the interceptor and has a completely green color) Id suggest giving it a download to compare to your arc-170 weapons.
I've already changed the ARC-170 weapons.
As for the laggy hangars, I believe that was because napseeker had the fighting capships, but I didn't want to do that.
I've emulated a bigger battle by placing prop capital ships outside the boundaries. I've also adjusted the sky file so it's like Geonosis' sky, with the cruisers and fighters.
Another thing I've added (credits again to napseeker for the idea) is "Natives" to each ship. The Republic "Natives" are standard soldiers on-board, and the CIS has their standard soldiers, as well as a couple of MagnaGuards and Droidekas thrown in for good measure.
I'm still sorting ODFs out for the cap ships, though. I've never found BF1-compatible stuff for the cap ships, so I've had to reverse-engineer the BF2 ODF files, removing whatever does not work.
mm sounds good. Do you think anything can be done about having the tri fighters shoot buzz droids?
Cool! Keep us posted, this sounds interesting!
Quote from: Jon415 on November 17, 2009, 02:25:30 PM
mm sounds good. Do you think anything can be done about having the tri fighters shoot buzz droids?
This is something that would be in beta2 of my map (it was supposed to be in beta1, but I never got the time to test it properly to make sure it wouldn't screw up the multiplayer game). Am looking forward to seeing gg's version though, the eps3 music playing during the map will be something I would love to hear. Oh, and yes I did notice that with the heavy f/x between the two cap ships caused a lot more slowdown than without but it's not much fun to just see the two ships sitting next to one another without firing a shot.
Yes but it is less fun if you are on a slow computer to take about 20 minutes to spawn on the enemy ship, find a fighter and navigate back to your ship, grab a fighter, and fly around (ground combat is simply not possible on my computer-cannot aim with extreme lag :()
So if you could make a version of the mod that would run on these old machines that would be cool.
I'm about to test the map. Last night I tried to test it but I didn't realise (this being my first map and all) that the 'props' bit is commented out by default in the world req file. That, and my Republic Officer wasn't functioning as it should (I hex-edited the ARC Trooper kama and pauldron onto it, it looks fine according to SWBF viewer but ingame the kama and pauldron gets all screwy)
i am easy to please, i like playing mod maps with friends.
I have no idea what the hell is wrong at the moment, but the map munges fine (except when I get to see the "munging cos.req" part, it says that "Missing file COS.prop", although I'm sure that's nothing particular to worry about). But when I try to play, there are no CPs at all. I'm going to try to munge it without the natives and see if that works.
EDIT: I was right - it was indeed the two groups of natives. Perhaps I should have a GCW mode with Rep defenders and a CW mode with CIS defenders. Unless I can find a way to get two native sides in the same map. I KNOW it has been done before because I've seen it done in Mission 1 Republic Commando.
I've also got a bit of planning to do as the units just run against a wall at the moment. Thing is, I've never done planning before with this (this being my first map and all, aside from the conversions which already have planning in them). Otherwise, the map's running.
The best part is, I've made the dome work as it should do. There are cap ships and droid fighters and jedi fighters battling it out. I'm certain I've seen dome explosions in the Geonosis map too so maybe it isn't so impossible. It might just require tweaking.
Are you going to include the rep gunship, cis gunship, v-wing, and strike bomber?
(sadly, these ships did not make an appearence in napseekers 91st assult core coruscant map:()
Yes. All ships that appear in BF2 will also appear in this map.
If anything can be done about having a remote rocket on the gunship, that would be cool. I heard someone a while ago talk about doing this my increasing the speed of a recon droid, making it so that it cant hover, having 1hp, and having it explode on impact. Would this be possible?
(preferably a lot more damage than in BF2, but thats just me)
Quote from: ggctuk on November 18, 2009, 01:52:36 PM
EDIT: I was right - it was indeed the two groups of natives. Perhaps I should have a GCW mode with Rep defenders and a CW mode with CIS defenders. Unless I can find a way to get two native sides in the same map. I KNOW it has been done before because I've seen it done in Mission 1 Republic Commando.
You sure about this? I've played around with creating two locals teams in BF1 before and noticed that team0 and team3 / 4 seem to be ineffective. I haven't seen M1RC, but is it possible they simply set up the appearance of two locals teams when actually only using one real locals group?
Quote from: ggctuk on November 18, 2009, 01:52:36 PM
I've also got a bit of planning to do as the units just run against a wall at the moment. Thing is, I've never done planning before with this (this being my first map and all, aside from the conversions which already have planning in them). Otherwise, the map's running.
The planning was actually where I initially stopped back when I started doing BofC in 2007. It can be quite frustrating given that the AI doesn't always seem to obey your planning routes even when it seems as though they should. You'll notice that on my map, even with planning and barriers in place, sometimes the bots still run against the corner of the CIS and REP hangars. Everything up before you do the planning is actually fairly easy... but depending on how you want to get the AI to behave (including getting them to run into the chambers to attack the internal systems) can be a wonderful exercise in hair-pulling. And yeah, BofC was my first time doing planning too, so I say that with some experience :)
Quote from: ggctuk on November 18, 2009, 01:52:36 PM
The best part is, I've made the dome work as it should do. There are cap ships and droid fighters and jedi fighters battling it out. I'm certain I've seen dome explosions in the Geonosis map too so maybe it isn't so impossible. It might just require tweaking.
No there's a difference between the geo map and a space map. The geo map is a lot smaller compared to a space map and you can see f/x at low near/far ranges. In the space map, I set the near/far ranges to increasingly higher values and noted that this did not seem to actually increase the distance from which I could see the explosions. This is why in my BofC thread I was asking if anyone at all, standing in the hangar of one cruiser, could look out onto the hull of the enemy cruiser and see if the big explosion was visible when the turret laser hits it. No one could. And I have a huge visibility range set in my sky file. The distance between the two cruisers isn't that great but explosions (and any other fx) don't seem to render even at that distance. It could be a LOD built into the fx file (but I haven't investigated that).
Are you only using the domes from BF1 or have you gotten the BF2 domes (like the ARC-170) to actually work? This was also something odd I noticed back in '07... that none of the BF2-specific domes seemed to load into the map even though I specified them in my mission LUA and obviously had them munged in with the REP lvl.
Well, some BF1 dome properties are used, such as the racing Jedi Fighters, Gunships and Droid Fighters. They seem to show up fine. Cap Ships still need tweaking (as you can still fly through them).
As for the natives, I could make a workaround, with Team 3 in CW and Team 4 in GCW.
I'm also attempting to figure out how to get rid of the ground which still appears.
Then I have the pathing to sort out. I have the same problem with the pathing at the moment (units sometimes abandon the paths I've set), but I've set some barriers up. I'm wondering if pathing is necessary in space.
Just so long as the AI units can get into fighters and fly out into outter space and survive for at least a while ill be fine. I once played a GCW space map tyhat had rather good programming. Although most of the bots bundl;ed up into corners, if you shot at them they would fan out and hunt you down. In space, (playing as the imperials) the y-wing, b-wing, and x-wing pilots were rather skilled at strafing the outside critical systems and shooting me down with the y-wing turret. If there was some way to port ai pathing from one map to another, would it be possible to avoid all of this work taht you speak of?
(I may sound like a complete idiot to some of you because i am not a modder, im just trying to think of something to help with the work)
Well, I considered that too, but the problem is, there's no source files available for Space Maps, besides the BF2 Template, which has no pathing or barriers. None of the BF2 space maps have released source maps.
I mean like if napseeker permits, using his pathing for your map, of you are arranging the capitol ships and such the same way. If you are planning to arrange the capitol ships like from the original bf2 mission, then i am guessing that napseekers ai programming wil be completely useless, unless its not and it-
Ok im gonna stop writing this right now because im confusing myself with stuff that i dont know.
i am supporting you guys. revised to passionate statements.
Quote from: Jon415 on November 21, 2009, 05:34:56 PM
I mean like if napseeker permits, using his pathing for your map, of you are arranging the capitol ships and such the same way. If you are planning to arrange the capitol ships like from the original bf2 mission, then i am guessing that napseekers ai programming wil be completely useless, unless its not and it-
Ok im gonna stop writing this right now because im confusing myself with stuff that i dont know.
I believe Napseeker had to do the same as I did - porting the Battlefront II Space Map template. So, the pathing should work.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 20, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
Well, some BF1 dome properties are used, such as the racing Jedi Fighters, Gunships and Droid Fighters. They seem to show up fine. Cap Ships still need tweaking (as you can still fly through them).
Right, I don't expect any probs with bf1 domes, but what I was asking is if it's the BF2 ones you were able to get into the map to load. I believe the ones I had tried (but which did not load) were the eps3 jedi starfighter and the arc-170 for example.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 20, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
As for the natives, I could make a workaround, with Team 3 in CW and Team 4 in GCW.
Yes I know, but again what I'm saying is that I'm curious about what you had pointed out in regards to this other map where the author seemingly made two locals teams and whether you think this could've been just trickery done with a single locals team. If not, then it would definitely be worth contacting the author to ask him to write a small tutorial because it'd be amazing to have 2 locals team on a map.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 20, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
I'm also attempting to figure out how to get rid of the ground which still appears.
Yes, this gave me problems at first... I did solve it back in '07 so my memory is a bit rusty here. I believe there's a single command you put into either the mission LUA or the world file which just says "don't show the ground". Check out the Bespin Platforms map's assets since I do remember that I found the answer while looking through its files.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 20, 2009, 01:10:13 PM
Then I have the pathing to sort out. I have the same problem with the pathing at the moment (units sometimes abandon the paths I've set), but I've set some barriers up. I'm wondering if pathing is necessary in space.
I don't use it (which may be why some fighters fly around erratically at times). I examined some of the other shipped maps to see what they did e.g. Hoth, Bespin Platforms, and was surprised that I did not seem to find any flyer-specific pathing. Barriers are used to keep flyers from colliding into things like tall buildings and avoid narrow spaces, and the rest seems to be left up to the flyers to just seek out things to attack and blow up (destructible CPs being the highest priority). I think it'd be difficult anyway to put flyer planning in: you'd end up having routes that start at a hangar and then go towards the enemy cruiser, presumably circling it... and then what? Keep it circling? It's actually better to let the AI do its own thing.
I honestly haven't added all of the BF2 domes yet, although I know the Droid Gunship dome works.
As to the map I was referring to, it was "Republic Commando: Mission1" by gogo12. I asked gogo12 how it was done, but I never heard back. I do believe it is actually two native teams set up, because the natives that side with the droids shoot at Rep troopers and the natives that side with the Republic shoot at the CIS. The natives also fight each other too.
I'll look in the bespin assets although I don't recall there being any command in the mission LUA, but it has been a while so I might be wrong on that point.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 22, 2009, 12:44:29 PM
I honestly haven't added all of the BF2 domes yet, although I know the Droid Gunship dome works.
As to the map I was referring to, it was "Republic Commando: Mission1" by gogo12. I asked gogo12 how it was done, but I never heard back. I do believe it is actually two native teams set up, because the natives that side with the droids shoot at Rep troopers and the natives that side with the Republic shoot at the CIS. The natives also fight each other too.
Where's the download for this map? I'll take a look at it and see if I can figure out what he did...
Quote from: ggctuk on November 22, 2009, 12:44:29 PM
I'll look in the bespin assets although I don't recall there being any command in the mission LUA, but it has been a while so I might be wrong on that point.
Found it... it's a command that goes into the .sky file:
// Napseeker: This is from Bespin world1 - indicates that we don't want to see any terrain
TerrainEnable(0);
That command should be all you need. I didn't see anything else in the LUA that was necessary.
Thanks for that command. I didn't look hard enough through the files (I never thought it would be in the sky file).
Here's Mission 1 - Republic Commando:
http://starwarsbattlefront.filefront.com/file/Mission1_Republic_Commando;101665
gogo12 blocked the main action off from the natives battling, but you can get to them by jumping on a fallen pillar near the tunnel at the end of the arena, then leaping onto the stands. It's tricky to do but it can get you there.
Mmm looks like a nice map. I just wish he gave the commando a DC-17 with different firing sounds.
Quote from: ggctuk on November 24, 2009, 01:01:57 AM
Thanks for that command. I didn't look hard enough through the files (I never thought it would be in the sky file).
Yeah, when I was first trying to disable the terrain it didn't occur to me that the sky file would have anything useful either.
I'll try this map tonight. It looks interesting just based on the user responses on the website.