Heya,
Tho i'm a real fan to the star wars universe and especially to the old trilogy, i don't like part 2 and part 3...more over...i hate part 1...it's a disgrace to the whole star wars community, universe, games, films EVERYTHING!
This guy just sums some of the bad stuff up that star wars 1 has:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI&list=PL5919C8DE6F720A2D
You realize you're argument is unjustified automatically because you were born in the original trilogy generation. Therefore you HATE all Star Wars episodes/media hence. I wouldn't get hyped up for VII if I were you. You will hate it.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on January 01, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
You realize you're argument is unjustified automatically because you were born in the original trilogy generation. Therefore you HATE all Star Wars episodes/media hence. I wouldn't get hyped up for VII if I were you. You will hate it.
What are you on about? 'An entire opinion is unjustified because Verik likes the originals', do you realise how flawed that statement is?
Yes Red Letter Media is a great film company, they have a good forum too, which I am also a member on.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on January 01, 2013, 09:04:17 AM
You realize you're argument is unjustified automatically because you were born in the original trilogy generation. Therefore you HATE all Star Wars episodes/media hence. I wouldn't get hyped up for VII if I were you. You will hate it.
Ridiculous.
Episode I has it's moments as does II and III.
Episode I:
Podrace, The Battle of Naboo (the Gungan part and our lovable ditz JarJar) and the first fight with Qui-Gon and Maul
Episode II:
The Geonosis battle royal (minus all that lovey-dovey stuff with Anakin and Padme)
Episode III:
THE STORMING OF THE TEMPLE. In my opinion the storming of the temple is one of the best scenes from the entire saga.
Yeah it's hard to deny that the prequels have some pretty dang impressive visual sequences. They're fun to watch. But I agree fully with the famous Red Letter video's criticisms of the plot, characters, etc.
Screw what I said before, I just woke up and wasn't in the mood for star wars haters. ;)
My final word on this issue and any issue is that
How can you say you are a fan of Star Wars, without embracing all aspects of it, "not just the dogmatic point of view of the original trilogy."
It's like saying, "Oh I love SWBFI but I hate EVERYTHING about the Clone Wars era. All of it. I just hate it."
Now before you assume I just hate the Original trilogy, I was a big fan of Star Wars BEFORE the prequels came out. I think the originals are better than the prequels but I don't think that any Star Wars film sucks.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on January 01, 2013, 02:33:27 PM
How can you say you are a fan of Star Wars, without embracing all aspects of it, "not just the dogmatic point of view of the original trilogy."
You can criticize and still be a fan; you don't have to mindlessly dedicate yourself to believing that everything they do is good. (Your absolutism on this issue is truly bizarre and you have never bothered defending it, you just keep repeating it every time it comes up and rejecting the opinion of others right out of the gate.)
For example, even my favorite musicians have released tracks that I think suck. I can be a fan, even a diehard fan, and recognize that they have released less-than-perfect things.
I know there are bad things Lucas(arts,film etc.) has put out there but the films aren't any of those. For example, I HATE the 2 newest Clone Wars episodes. They sucked.
Oh goody, i love it that i made this topic :D
First of all i have to say im quite the film lover, i've seen about 2500 films and the old sequence of Star Wars is amazing. (btw wasn't born in the old generation of starwars, i wish i had tho, but i wasn't. I'm 18 and have seen only two star wars films in the cinema)
However...Star Wars IV...is a remake of Kurusawa's Hidden Fortress (which is also amazing). But that it is a remake doesn't mean it's amazing.
Secondly i think Lucas destroys some good films with weird stuff,
Episode 1: the gunguns, the entire mos isley scenes, the weird fish things, the entire trade federation (creatures and droids alike)
Episode 2: it continues...first of the horrible anakin, the sam weasel? thing, the bartender?, the capture of obi-wan?, Jango Fett and his son bobba fett (i'm sorry but why does Bobba his armor looks so much dirtier then that of his dad?), a hugh droid army with which the universe could have been overtrown long ago...They all look good, but what on earth do they have to do with the plot?!
Episode 3: The rise of lord vader (OMG...this was sooo bad, when i saw the old trilogy i expected soooo much more), general grevious (what a bad villain, he sucks...no villain should be running away that much), Yoda fights the emperor and goes into exile because he loses ONE fight?! (he's such a bad loser). Qui-Gon is going to teach Obi-one ways of afterlife on tantooine?! (wth?!, he died on Naboo, get over it), And so are there dozends of other examples!
The clone wars series (yes i've seen them all so far)...How much i like the science fiction world of star wars...there is no real plot in the series, just badass fighting. Darth Maul returning??! wtf? Weird jedi masters turning red? (how did those ever became jedi masters!)
Don't get me wrong, i love star wars...i'm a great fan of SWBF, SWBF II, KotOR, KotOR II, Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy...all of the star wars games (except pod racing). I'm also a huge fan to the storys about it, the so called history of that universe is amazing! but.....Ep 1/2/3 just failed me because the plot is to cheesy. The story not right, the creatures to huggable and some of the leading characters are too noobish.
But thats just my opinion. I'd like to hear yours. Therefor i'm asking you the question: what made you like the first three episodes of star wars?
Quote from: Darth Verik on January 01, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
Oh goody, i love it that i made this topic :D
First of all i have to say im quite the film lover, i've seen about 2500 films and the old sequence of Star Wars is amazing. (btw wasn't born in the old generation of starwars, i wish i had tho, but i wasn't. I'm 18 and have seen only two star wars films in the cinema)
However...Star Wars IV...is a remake of Kurusawa's Hidden Fortress (which is also amazing). But that it is a remake doesn't mean it's amazing.
Secondly i think Lucas destroys some good films with weird stuff,
Episode 1: the gunguns, the entire mos isley scenes, the weird fish things, the entire trade federation (creatures and droids alike)
Episode 2: it continues...first of the horrible anakin, the sam weasel? thing, the bartender?, the capture of obi-wan?, Jango Fett and his son bobba fett (i'm sorry but why does Bobba his armor looks so much dirtier then that of his dad?), a hugh droid army with which the universe could have been overtrown long ago...They all look good, but what on earth do they have to do with the plot?!
Episode 3: The rise of lord vader (OMG...this was sooo bad, when i saw the old trilogy i expected soooo much more), general grevious (what a bad villain, he sucks...no villain should be running away that much), Yoda fights the emperor and goes into exile because he loses ONE fight?! (he's such a bad loser). Qui-Gon is going to teach Obi-one ways of afterlife on tantooine?! (wth?!, he died on Naboo, get over it), And so are there dozends of other examples!
The clone wars series (yes i've seen them all so far)...How much i like the science fiction world of star wars...there is no real plot in the series, just badass fighting. Darth Maul returning??! wtf? Weird jedi masters turning red? (how did those ever became jedi masters!)
Don't get me wrong, i love star wars...i'm a great fan of SWBF, SWBF II, KotOR, KotOR II, Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy...all of the star wars games (except pod racing). I'm also a huge fan to the storys about it, the so called history of that universe is amazing! but.....Ep 1/2/3 just failed me because the plot is to cheesy. The story not right, the creatures to huggable and some of the leading characters are too noobish.
But thats just my opinion. I'd like to hear yours. Therefor i'm asking you the question: what made you like the first three episodes of star wars?
Why don't you like podracing? It was such a fun game. And what is going on with the Clone Wars series? I didn't know they had resumed since I do not watch television. I saw that they had brought back Maul and that he and his brother were stranded in space. I think it was a terrible idea to bring back Maul.
I like the prequels because I had them along side with the sequels on VHS. I remember getting my lightsaber and duking it out with other kids at the park. I have never lost either. Ahh....the memories.....
Oh, do I look like a Star Wars fan?
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Quote from: Darth Verik on January 01, 2013, 04:32:19 PM
Oh goody, i love it that i made this topic :D
First of all i have to say im quite the film lover, i've seen about 2500 films and the old sequence of Star Wars is amazing. (btw wasn't born in the old generation of starwars, i wish i had tho, but i wasn't. I'm 18 and have seen only two star wars films in the cinema)
However...Star Wars IV...is a remake of Kurusawa's Hidden Fortress (which is also amazing). But that it is a remake doesn't mean it's amazing.
Secondly i think Lucas destroys some good films with weird stuff,
Episode 1: the gunguns, the entire mos isley scenes, the weird fish things, the entire trade federation (creatures and droids alike)
Episode 2: it continues...first of the horrible anakin, the sam weasel? thing, the bartender?, the capture of obi-wan?, Jango Fett and his son bobba fett (i'm sorry but why does Bobba his armor looks so much dirtier then that of his dad?), a hugh droid army with which the universe could have been overtrown long ago...They all look good, but what on earth do they have to do with the plot?!
Episode 3: The rise of lord vader (OMG...this was sooo bad, when i saw the old trilogy i expected soooo much more), general grevious (what a bad villain, he sucks...no villain should be running away that much), Yoda fights the emperor and goes into exile because he loses ONE fight?! (he's such a bad loser). Qui-Gon is going to teach Obi-one ways of afterlife on tantooine?! (wth?!, he died on Naboo, get over it), And so are there dozends of other examples!
The clone wars series (yes i've seen them all so far)...How much i like the science fiction world of star wars...there is no real plot in the series, just badass fighting. Darth Maul returning??! wtf? Weird jedi masters turning red? (how did those ever became jedi masters!)
Don't get me wrong, i love star wars...i'm a great fan of SWBF, SWBF II, KotOR, KotOR II, Jedi Knight, Jedi Academy...all of the star wars games (except pod racing). I'm also a huge fan to the storys about it, the so called history of that universe is amazing! but.....Ep 1/2/3 just failed me because the plot is to cheesy. The story not right, the creatures to huggable and some of the leading characters are too noobish.
But thats just my opinion. I'd like to hear yours. Therefor i'm asking you the question: what made you like the first three episodes of star wars?
I wanted to tear you to shreds at the sight of all the complaining about all the plotline stuff of the prequel trilogy, since I am a huge fan, and I've gained a good amount of knowledge from Wookieepedia (yes, go ahead, laugh, it's a real wiki), but then I saw it said your opinion. :P
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on January 01, 2013, 07:17:52 PM
since I am a huge fan
Lets make a club!
Verik. I'm a die hard Star Wars fan and with that complaining, I gather you don't understand the STAR WARS saga story arc very well. You need to watch them all through, one after the other. Then come back to me.
Now I know this is your opinion, but let me ask you this:
What do you think the STAR WARS movies I-VI, story arc is? ( it is a common theme... )
Why do I like the prequels? It fills in questions, gives a backstory, shows new and cool Star Wars locations ( Coruscant, great example ) and expands the story of Anakin and other key Original Trilogy characters. Among other details that I can't type on my iPod because I want it to survive.
I-III=prequel trilogy
IV-VI=original trilogy
2 separate trilogies. Like the soon to be Hobbit trilogy and the LOTR trilogy.
For me, the originals are in a class far beyond the reach of the prequels. I think there are many reasons for this, but I'll only touch on one point.
Many people say the visual effects in the prequels are better. True, but here is why I think it actually makes the movies worse. I'll quote my favorite director Christopher Nolan to explain:
"However sophisticated your computer-generated imagery is, if it's been created from no physical elements and you haven't shot anything, it's going to feel like animation. There are usually two different goals in a visual effects movie. One is to fool the audience into seeing something seamless, and that's how I try to use it. The other is to impress the audience with the amount of money spent on the spectacle of the visual effect, and that, I have no interest in. We try to enhance our stunt work and floor effects with extraordinary CGI tools like wire and rig removals. If you put a lot of time and effort into matching your original film elements, the kind of enhancements you can put into the frames can really trick the eye, offering results far beyond what was possible 20 years ago. The problem for me is if you don't first shoot something with the camera on which to base the shot, the visual effect is going to stick out if the film you're making has a realistic style or patina. I prefer films that feel more like real life, so any CGI has to be very carefully handled to fit into that."
@ Roxas i don't like podracing, just due to the simple fact i dont like any kind of racing, btw nice bookcase! im still searching for star wars books
@ Gold man, the plot of the SW prequals is a bit sucked up, but the rest of SW's history i love it so it's good to see your also a wookieepedia fan xD
@ Kit Fisto, Ive seen all the films already (yes, two times a double trilogy)
The meaning of SW 1/3 is to see a young boy turn into a Sith, seeing the rise of the empire, seeing who's the emperor, how it comes that luke and leia are not known to vader, and thats about it...
but why do you need three films for that, i've seen every one of those things in Star Wars part 3...
First of all how anakin became a sith is just tooo cheesy, he becomes a sith because he wants to save his wife from death O_O (WTH?!) Thats just too simple
Seeing the rise of the empire (clones getting an much older armor?)
Seeing who's the emperor...the most influential man in the Star Wars universe?!? (So why does he want to become Emperor, how come all the Jedi's dont see who he is?, because he puts up some sort of dark cloak that clouds their minds?)
How it comes that luke and Leia are going their separate ways...because some green huggable monster who wants to go into exile says so?
Star Wars part one, two and three are for me bad, and to me the figure of Darth Vader has been seriously damaged.
One example of what i mean is: why does Darth Vader looks more at peace when he's a Sith then when he's a Jedi (WTH)
You say the first three episodes answere questions, to me they only make more.
For example, how did those very intelligent clones became so dumb?
Why did master yoda go into exile because he lost one fight?
How come the best swordsman in the universe died against such a freak as the emperor (Windu)
Why did somebody made Kamino disappear on all the maps?
How did the swordfighting became so over spectacular (i remember Ben against Vader...no force jumping, no weird moves, just blades vs blades with two feet on the ground)
Where did all the separatist leaders go and why didn't they keep fighting? (not everyone was at Mustafar)
Why didn't the left-over jedi's (after order 66) came together?
Then the background, your right that it shows something, but not far enough
New and cool Star Wars locations (i believe thats the only + point about it)
But still, the prequal star wars trilogy was for me a go down...it's like doing the first 3 years of school with only A's +++ And then the last three years you leave with F's---
What happened to you in that time i wonder! How did George Lucas made Star Wars so bad? Thats my question
Well, I am also, not a big fan of I, II, III episodes, mostly because lot of 3D characters, and sometimes bored script... But those episodes, real treasure for new locations, vehicles and species, for new game, or map ;) creators.
Let's try to answer, to some of your questions...
1. Anakin become a sith, not just becase of his wife. As Yoda say, he's afraid, afraid about his mother, and wife. Fear is strong emotion, that ruin peace in mind, and lead to the dark side. Also, he has ambitions, and they also may easy turn good person and friend, in to the walking evil and enemy. (I sow this transformation, in my own experience :o).
2. Palpatin, as all politics, has evil mind, and hypnotise power. Even without Sith Force, politics, usualy can foolish entire countrys, and all people. So, Palpatine's "mind cloak" power, is totaly natural.
3. Luke and Lea, realy should be separated. It's decreases chance to be detected, by force sensitive Sith.
4. Not sure, I am understand ths correct, but if you mean, Darth Vader's mind look's more peacefull, then Anakin's, it's easy: Anakin is still fight, between Dark and Light side inside his mind. Darth Vader already choose his way, and just try stay with it.
5. Very intelligent clones became so dumb? Not sure, but I guess it's just your vision... I think, they are ok.
6. Yoda, go into exile, after he lost one fight, because he loose his chance, of unexpected attak. Emperor is now awere about Yoda still alive, and will be prepared for his next attack, and surely, will set a trap for him.
7. Windu, is not loose a fight. He loose peace in his mind, because of his own rage. As result, he didn't detect Anakin's "mind fight", between good and evil, and did not help him, stay with the good side. So, he was betrayed and defeated, by Anakin, not by Emperor. Palpatine, just finish the job.
8. Palpatine, make Kamino disappear on all the maps, because of 2 reasons: 1. first clones, shold be grow up without unneccesary attention of the republic. 2. It shold be discovered, by jedi, in right time. It probably was in the Palpatine's vision of the future.
9. Ben and Vader, become old guys, so, no force and jumping. :D Seriosly, it was more fight of minds, then just swords fight. It is the same, when the old enemies wish to figure out, who of them, is more cool after all, they try to fight, with no guns, to the end. 8)
Beside, Ben realy wish to die. By jedi logic, he think, he can help Luke much more, if he loose his phisical body.
10. Why separatist leaders didn't keep fighting? Probably, without army of droids, they can only keep and count theyr money.
11. Survived after order 66 jedi's, did not come togrther, because of the same reason, why Luke and Leia should be separeted. The try to hide, and do not wish to be detected by sith.
12. Armor of Boba Fett looks so much dirtier then that of his dad, probably because his made much more dirty job. :P
13. George Lucas, made Star Wars so bad, because it imposible to made miracle by order. For example: I made realy Great map, named Nar Shaddaa, but I am not sure, if ever can repeat such success.
Nice comments, Sereja :cheers:
Sereja got most of it.
But here are the more canon answers to some.
5: shortly after the Jedi Purge Palpatine decided to draft humans for his army. Only a small number remained clone troopers in IV-VI and onward.
8: actually Count Dooku erased the files about Kamino from the Jedi Archives.
10: why I told you to watch the movies! Anakin kills all the separatist leaders on Mustafar AFTER they shut down all the droid army. Then the facility is destroyed. That's all in the movies, you don't need EU knowledge to explain that. ;)
EDIT: even if not all sep leaders were on Mustafar sidious knew where they were and would have had them killed.
13: Sereja, you will probably make a map just as great as Nar Shaddaa in the coming years... :)
We should make a new board for this type of stuff. GENERAL STAR WARS DISCUSSION
Aye led! Is that possible? :)
I actually like the prequel trilogy and think alot of the complaints are from people having unrealistic expectations after watching the originals. Although I don't think Episode 1 is the best of the Prequels I enjoy the fact that it still has proper sets and costumes which make places like Tatooine look more real.
An answer for Sereja's anwer to Boba Fett:
Boba was about 12 when he inherited his father's armor, that was about 2 years after Geonosis. He did have it resized of course, but for wearing the same armor for 20 years? It does tend to get messy anyways. Plus, he actually recolured the armor, I think probably because he got tired of people thinking Jango survived, or for some other reason that I forgot. :P
Incoming wall of text (Points brought up on another forum):
.If Yoda and Obi Wan have a security tape that features Anakin being knighted as a Sith by The Emperor, don't they also have footage from five minutes earlier from the EXACT SAME CAMERA that explains the Mace/Emperor showdown and the revelation of Palpatine as a murderous occultist who is so powerful he can kill four members of the Jedi Council? If it's such an important plot point that it's HOW OBI WAN DISCOVERS HIS BEST FRIEND IS A TRAITOR, can't they show this tape to the evening news? Seems like it would be the most important piece of evidence in political history.
.In his prophesied role of "bringing balance to the force" is Anakin (or Darth Vader) ever once shown to accomplish anything of merit aside from mass murder and a last minute, death-bed contrition? Tossing the Emperor into an elevator shaft can't possibly count, can it?
.Even though Chewbacca doesn't speak the same language as everybody else, wouldn't he have been an invaluable source of knowledge to Luke about the Jedi, pre- Imperial galactic history as well as vital details of time spent serving alongside Yoda? You think Chewie would have mentioned Yoda to Han at least once or twice and those sorts of things would have influenced Han's opinion on The Force. Yoda and Chewbacca even exchanged a weepy goodbye before Yoda blasted off in his ET ship. This is one of the most cynical retcons in the entire series. There's no reason for Chewbacca to be there whatsoever aside from cheap nostalgia.
.The Republic seems to have hundreds of generals. Do the Confederates only have one and when you kill him, the war is over? Should we just assume that the eight dudes that Anakin kills on Mustafar represent the entirety of the Confederate power base? Without them, everything falls apart? There's no other officers? No corporate vice presidents? There's no one within these Independent Systems that have any attachment to the Confederate cause without those eight dudes?
It's not at all like blowing up the Death Star and its two orbiting command ships, where there's a clear dictator and his inner circle, all of whom die in the explosion. It would be fine if The Confederacy was just a red herring, but it wasn't -- it was something that motivated the legendary Clone Wars (which still has resonance in Luke's era) and clearly a ton of money, drive and political push went into their development. WAY too much to be forever vanquished with the assassination eight bankers and union chiefs. Count Dooku (who seems to be their leader) doesn't seem to affect them that much in his death. Further, they start taking orders from General Grievous, which is kind of weird.
.Why does Obi Wan stow away on Padme's ship when hundreds of better equipped ships are readily at his disposal? It's sort of ridiculous. How did he know Anakin wouldn't have been patrolling the skies of Mustafar in a fighter? Or a massive war ship? Did he read the script? Anakin even assaults Padme because he thinks she's conspiring (or possibly having an affair?) with Obi Wan. It's another bad Obi Wan decision that risks the lives of others. The only benefit being his own dramatic reveal which serves no greater interpersonal or strategic advantage.
Quote from: Sereja on January 02, 2013, 12:27:29 PM
Well, I am also, not a big fan of I, II, III episodes, mostly because lot of 3D characters, and sometimes bored script... But those episodes, real treasure for new locations, vehicles and species, for new game, or map ;) creators.
Let's try to answer, to some of your questions...
1. Anakin become a sith, not just becase of his wife. As Yoda say, he's afraid, afraid about his mother, and wife. Fear is strong emotion, that ruin peace in mind, and lead to the dark side. Also, he has ambitions, and they also may easy turn good person and friend, in to the walking evil and enemy. (I sow this transformation, in my own experience :o).
2. Palpatin, as all politics, has evil mind, and hypnotise power. Even without Sith Force, politics, usualy can foolish entire countrys, and all people. So, Palpatine's "mind cloak" power, is totaly natural.
3. Luke and Lea, realy should be separated. It's decreases chance to be detected, by force sensitive Sith.
4. Not sure, I am understand ths correct, but if you mean, Darth Vader's mind look's more peacefull, then Anakin's, it's easy: Anakin is still fight, between Dark and Light side inside his mind. Darth Vader already choose his way, and just try stay with it.
5. Very intelligent clones became so dumb? Not sure, but I guess it's just your vision... I think, they are ok.
6. Yoda, go into exile, after he lost one fight, because he loose his chance, of unexpected attak. Emperor is now awere about Yoda still alive, and will be prepared for his next attack, and surely, will set a trap for him.
7. Windu, is not loose a fight. He loose peace in his mind, because of his own rage. As result, he didn't detect Anakin's "mind fight", between good and evil, and did not help him, stay with the good side. So, he was betrayed and defeated, by Anakin, not by Emperor. Palpatine, just finish the job.
8. Palpatine, make Kamino disappear on all the maps, because of 2 reasons: 1. first clones, shold be grow up without unneccesary attention of the republic. 2. It shold be discovered, by jedi, in right time. It probably was in the Palpatine's vision of the future.
9. Ben and Vader, become old guys, so, no force and jumping. :D Seriosly, it was more fight of minds, then just swords fight. It is the same, when the old enemies wish to figure out, who of them, is more cool after all, they try to fight, with no guns, to the end. 8)
Beside, Ben realy wish to die. By jedi logic, he think, he can help Luke much more, if he loose his phisical body.
10. Why separatist leaders didn't keep fighting? Probably, without army of droids, they can only keep and count theyr money.
11. Survived after order 66 jedi's, did not come togrther, because of the same reason, why Luke and Leia should be separeted. The try to hide, and do not wish to be detected by sith.
12. Armor of Boba Fett looks so much dirtier then that of his dad, probably because his made much more dirty job. :P
13. George Lucas, made Star Wars so bad, because it imposible to made miracle by order. For example: I made realy Great map, named Nar Shaddaa, but I am not sure, if ever can repeat such success.
You really should read Darth Plagueis. It tells all about how Palpatine rises to power. You will (I was) be surprised to know when Plagueis died. I had no idea. No idea at all.
@Unit 33:
But Anakin
does bring balance to the force. He cut down the light side. You know, for something to be in balance, there must be two things on opposing sides, one of the factors on each side. The light side was completely lopsided. There
needed to be the darkness of the dark side. You cannot have light without darkness and visa-versa. The Jedi Order had grown too powerful just as the light side had.
Quote from: Roxas on January 02, 2013, 04:17:55 PM
You really should read Darth Plagueis. It tells all about how Palpatine rises to power. You will (I was) be surprised to know when Plagueis died. I had no idea. No idea at all.
@Unit 33:
But Anakin does bring balance to the force. He cut down the light side. You know, for something to be in balance, there must be two things on opposing sides, one of the factors on each side. The light side was completely lopsided. There needed to be the darkness of the dark side. You cannot have light without darkness and visa-versa. The Jedi Order had grown too powerful just as the light side had.
Okay. Let's assume Anakin brings balance by initiating the Jedi purge so there are only 2 Jedi left and 2 Sith (ignoring the countless Jedi that survive the purge in the Expanded Universe). Okay I can get down with that.
If the Jedi knew it was Anakins destiny to bring balance to the force wouldn't they know that it obviously would entail murdering most of the Jedi, since they knew the Sith were few in number and the Jedi were great in number? What else could have it meant? Why would they agree to train someone that they knew was destined to murder them all? ( hey never express this realisation despite the 15 ish years thinking time they had, therefore the Jedi Order is obviously full of morons or the plot doesn't make sense)
Anyway Darth Vader/Anakin later brings inbalance by killing the only remaining Sith when he sacrifices himself to murder the Emperor, thus undoing his own proffecy.
Quote from: UNIT 33 on January 02, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
Okay. Let's assume Anakin brings balance by initiating the Jedi purge so there are only 2 Jedi left and 2 Sith (ignoring the countless Jedi that survive the purge in the Expanded Universe). Okay I can get down with that.
If the Jedi knew it was Anakins destiny to bring balance to the force wouldn't they know that it obviously would entail murdering most of the Jedi, since they knew the Sith were few in number and the Jedi were great in number? What else could have it meant? Why would they agree to train someone that they knew was destined to murder them all? ( hey never express this realisation despite the 15 ish years thinking time they had, therefore the Jedi Order is obviously full of morons or the plot doesn't make sense)
Anyway Darth Vader/Anakin later brings inbalance by killing the only remaining Sith when he sacrifices himself to murder the Emperor, thus undoing his own proffecy.
Actually they wouldn't. The Jedi knew that there were sith still around and that they were being active yet they were still blinded before Anakin was around (Plagueis and Palpatine's actions blinded them). Also don't forget it wasn't Anakin who initiated the purge. He was merely a tool that was sadly and rather easily manipulated into doing it.
Not all Jedi believed in the prophecy either. What the the Jedi did not know about the prophecy (this is being made on my own collected information) is that there were two parts to the prophecy. The first part, Anakin, was to help tear down the jaded light side. The second part, Luke, was to help rebuild it and read the past so that history would not repeat itself.
Why are you trying to make sence of a fictional movie? ??? Its just a movie.
That's like saying swbf is just a game. :wacko:
Sorry for betrayal kit but i dislike the CGI in the new movies... Its just too obvious when i watch the movie.
Quote from: [FC]Helios on January 02, 2013, 06:48:53 PM
Sorry for betrayal kit but i dislike the CGI in the new movies... Its just too obvious when i watch the movie.
That's no betrayal. What can you blame them, 1 was made in the early 90's, 2 in the late 90's early 00's and 3 in the early 00's. At least it isn't as bad as some older ( or newer ) movies.
And I could care less about the CG. I care about the story, and the UNIVERSE. And it wasn't obvious when you watched them 4 years ago on your non HD tv. ;)
Well this has once again turned into a prequel discussion ( recalls that poll he made ). Sorry but I don't have time to type long responses anymore. :(
OKAY.
I shall agree to disagree. We're all equally stubborn and I don't like the idea of getting stuck in a perpetual argument.
However. I think what really killed Star Wars for me is the relentless merchandising.
Well, you shouldn't take too serious my free interpritations. I post it just for fun, and didn't care much about canons :D. But here few words, to protect my vision:
Quote from: Kit Fisto on January 02, 2013, 01:45:55 PM
5: shortly after the Jedi Purge Palpatine decided to draft humans for his army. Only a small number remained clone troopers in IV-VI and onward.
Yes, I read something about this, in TFU2 scripts. Still, I am realy didn't spot, theyr skill difference.
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10: why I told you to watch the movies! Anakin kills all the separatist leaders on Mustafar AFTER they shut down all the droid army. Then the facility is destroyed. That's all in the movies, you don't need EU knowledge to explain that. ;)
Yes, but I think, you should imagine, why Palpatine, need them dead. They are totaly harmless, without droid army, and do not represent any menace for the new Empire. But few of them, knew Sidious personaly, and can easy recognize new Emperor. That's cud cause unneccessary trouble, for Palpatine personaly, and that's why, he order to kill exactly "Mustafar team" of them.
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on January 02, 2013, 02:15:10 PM
Boba was about 12 when he inherited his father's armor, that was about 2 years after Geonosis. He did have it resized of course, but for wearing the same armor for 20 years? It does tend to get messy anyways. Plus, he actually recolured the armor, I think probably because he got tired of people thinking Jango survived, or for some other reason that I forgot. :P
I do not think, Boba used Jango's armor. It have some difference. Beside, helmet of Jango, was destroed, by some detonator trap. (It was in Clone Wars series).
Quote from: UNIT 33 on January 03, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
OKAY.
I shall agree to disagree. We're all equally stubborn and I don't like the idea of getting stuck in a perpetual argument.
However. I think what really killed Star Wars for me is the relentless merchandising.
Indeed well put my friend
Quote from: Sereja on January 03, 2013, 01:48:39 AM
I do not think, Boba used Jango's armor. It have some difference. Beside, helmet of Jango, was destroed, by some detonator trap. (It was in Clone Wars series).
He actually did use his own fathers armor, after resizing it of course. I know I read about that on Wookieepedia, but as far as the helmet goes, I think the episode you watched was from Season 4. It's where Ventress joins Boba's bounty hunter group, and he does wear a helmet, but it isn't a mandalorian helmet. Unless I've missed some other episode with Boba in it from when he ambushes Windu and Kenobi on the Venator to that episode, then I suppose the helmet was destroyed. But as far as the rest of the armor goes, he pretty well kept most of it, except for the helmet, and he most likely customized it heavily too once he got a name out for himself.
Quote from: UNIT 33 on January 03, 2013, 01:26:38 AM
OKAY.
I shall agree to disagree. We're all equally stubborn and I don't like the idea of getting stuck in a perpetual argument.
However. I think what really killed Star Wars for me is the relentless merchandising.
I'm going to also say that 1) They stabbed all Star Wars fans with no SWBF3 2)The newer Clone Wars movie 3)That....cartoon thing 4)Trying to make them all in 3D.