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Hi, this is for the more older swbf players :cheers: , my parents always tell me that swbf is to violent and to stop playing it. They say i will try to do what they do ... :P , so i ask you guys, would you let your child play swbf? :D

Aren't you 15 (it says that on your profile)? By that age your parents shouldn't be bothering you about the games you play. I'm 16 (although it says 1012 here). I mean, are you really going to try to go on a killing spree with a weapon that shoots radioactive grenades?

Well, I've been playing SWBF since I was ten. My justification for playing it had always been that I told my mom that all I do is go around shooting robotic droids. Now that I'm older, my mom could care less what I'm shooting in my games.

Well, the video game is rated "T," which, according to the E.S.R.B., means that the game is suitable for the teenage demographic.  There was a thread last spring about a similar topic (it was about violence in television programming, so the concepts are remarkably similar), and I'll merely adapt what I wrote in that thread:

People are influenced by electronic media, sure.  However, when Lee Harvey Oswald was killed (on live television), did people go out and engage in a killing spree?  (This might be before your parents' time, though.)  Although this rhetorical question is something along the lines of a reduction to absurdity, I maintain that it is the crux of your parents' argument.  Perhaps such a person is the type of person who is so mentally unstable that anything else could have set him or her off.  So this "undue" influence of video games on these people could be replaced by something else, such as peers or society as a whole (see, e.g., the concept of modeling).

If you are so unstable as to be influenced by a video game to commit violent acts, you need immediate help. Preventing you from playing the game would not solve the problem.

Your parents are being irrational.

The average mentally unstable psychopath doesn't go around killing people because they did so in a game. Even if that could be tied in to reasoning, I don't think it would've mattered much whether they played violent games or not, it's their real-life interactions (or lack thereof) that makes them act the way they do.

LOL! no one is really answering the quistion he asked! :slap: Yes, i would let my child play battlefront I think its a good game to start off on because you can always pick like zam to be the republic and just shoot droids! Also there isnt any blood and they can respawn so its probly more like Lazer Tag or something rather than playing with blood and you are done for the session/mission if you die. Hope ppl actully answer the quistion really intresting forum

If I had a child and they seemed mature enough to understand what was happening I wouldn't have a problem with them playing battlefront as there's no story to the violence so it's just a matter of pointing and shooting which to me is no worse than snakes and ladders or 'tag'.
This probably won't go down well with some but I wouldn't let a young child go online with battlefront unless I knew the server/people there because of the things that are said, I don't just mean swearing but some of the comments that appear on X-fire etc can be pretty vicious and I wouldn't want that to be someones experience of online gaming.
Although I would happy to leave a child on a website like this one or PLA servers which are moderated so that younger players don't have to worry about the bad side of SWBF. :)

Think of it like this:

When characters die, they don't die, they just go back to spawn. When a gun kills, it's simply just a teleporter ray sending that player back to spawn. Almost like laser tag, like Frenchie said.

On the childly note, why not let them play? By the time I have kids, the weapons in this game will still be far from development.

Well, I do not think, in SWBF, may present some violence. The matter, is not just, you killing people or droids. The matter, is in type of gameplay. Everything look's small, in action, and it's feels, just like "toy soldiers game". It is some mix between, "3rd person" game, and strategy. So, I do not think, mom, should worry about it.
Well, still, if somebody made some "zombie" mod map, with lot of bloody effect, and tearing body parts, you should wait, some time (till 15-18), before play this map. Honestly say, some of my unfinished maps, I wouldnt recommend play any person, till 21 or higher...

Quote from: ★Soul Reaper★ (SuRg3) on October 01, 2012, 07:35:09 AM
Think of it like this:

When characters die, they don't die, they just go back to spawn. When a gun kills, it's simply just a teleporter ray sending that player back to spawn. Almost like laser tag, like Frenchie said.

From the things on the news and from what I hear this is the "main attraction" as it were to going and killing people in real life. "Well when I killed those 20 people they didn't die they just went back to spawn!" You can look at it in a good light or a bad light. Personally I think some games influence child thought but most don't. You could say the same thing about Lego Star Wars!
I would let my kids play this game offline or splitscreen with a friend. It's just Star Wars. Nothing in it has ever happened. You won't get biased to Germans like you would playing a WWII game and killing the Nazis.

Quote from: Sereja on October 01, 2012, 07:38:17 AM
Well, I do not think, in SWBF, may present some violence. The matter, is not just, you killing people or droids. The matter, is in type of gameplay. Everything look's small, in action, and it's feels, just like "toy soldiers game". It is some mix between, "3rd person" game, and strategy. So, I do not think, mom, should worry about it.
Well, still, if somebody made some "zombie" mod map, with lot of bloody effect, and tearing body parts, you should wait, some time (till 15-18), before play this map.

Very wise words. SWBF wasn't geared toward adult audiences to begin with. Most of us were in elementry school when we started playing this game ( with a few exceptions ).

Quote from: Sereja on October 01, 2012, 07:38:17 AM
Honestly say, some of my unfinished maps, I wouldnt recommend play any person, till 21 or higher...

Woa Sereja!? :o What kind of dark maps do you have unfinished!? :blink: And how many unfinished maps do you have?!

Considering other examples of gaming this game is practically docile.


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Quote from: {Recruit}FrenchFry on October 01, 2012, 04:51:28 AM
LOL! no one is really answering the quistion he asked! :slap: Yes, i would let my child play battlefront I think its a good game to start off on because you can always pick like zam to be the republic and just shoot droids! Also there isnt any blood and they can respawn so its probly more like Lazer Tag or something rather than playing with blood and you are done for the session/mission if you die. Hope ppl actully answer the quistion really intresting forum

I realized I didn't explain why my original post in this thread was a reduction to absurdity, so while I would argue that the information to answer the question was there, to make the jump from that information to my position would require extraordinary reading comprehension as well as making a couple of logical jumps.

Anyways...

(I am just a nineteen year old college student, so take this with a grain of salt.)

I do not believe that the average parent of a child who plays video games believes that his or child will become a serial killer, hence the reduction to absurdity (what I said boils down to discussing that since action A [playing video games] wouldn't lead to extraordinarily bad consequence B [becoming a serial killer] that arguments against action A are moot).  But they're not moot, they're just without teeth.  That a parent wants the best for child seems to be above argument; however, parents don't always know exactly what is best for their child.  Parents see new technologies that they never had when growing up (brb, walking up the hill to school for both directions) and, it is my--lay--opinion that they think that they grew up okay without these technologies (either they didn't have the world wide web during their youth or its infrastructure hadn't been as widely implemented as it is today) which could potentially lead to them believing that it is best if their progeny grows up without becoming overly dependent on them. 

Quote from: Kit Fisto on October 01, 2012, 08:17:14 AM
From the things on the news and from what I hear this is the "main attraction" as it were to going and killing people in real life. "Well when I killed those 20 people they didn't die they just went back to spawn!" You can look at it in a good light or a bad light. Personally I think some games influence child thought but most don't. You could say the same thing about Lego Star Wars!
[...] It's just Star Wars. Nothing in it has ever happened. You won't get biased to Germans like you would playing a WWII game and killing the Nazis. [...]

I understand--indeed, I agree with it--your point regarding fantasy violence, but the argument that someone would be "biased" against "Germans" because that person "play[ed] a WWII game and kill[ed] the Nazis" that appear in that video game is a silly one.  Most people who are unable to realize that people of German heritage are not necessarily Nazis are too young to play the video games that these (fictional) Nazis appear in.  If you were referring to those people who are unable to draw distinctions between the real and the virtual, see my post infra.

My two cents, none of us are actually qualified to discuss on the matter. Unless one of you just happens to have a degree in psychology?

Quote from: SleepKiller on October 01, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
My two cents, none of us are actually qualified to discuss on the matter. Unless one of you just happens to have a degree in psychology?

Because we all know that experts in a given field all widely agree on every subject.  /s

With that said, you do have a point... but to extrapolate from that point, unless Mart's parents have a degree in psychology, they're not qualified (to render an opinion concerning the aggregate).

Lol, yes i am 15, but my parents still won't get off  my back, they say "why are bodies flying around"?  :rofl:    I do not think it is violent like other games...but my parents still yell at me everytime i play  :whip:

Okay for the coffin-nailing verdict, here's what it says on the box (at least on my Euro one)

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Somebody was payed money for that certificate therefore I trust them.

Star Wars Battlefront is a violent game.

Quote from: SleepKiller on October 01, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
My two cents, none of us are actually qualified to discuss on the matter. Unless one of you just happens to have a degree in psychology?

lol

Quote from: BlackScorpion on October 01, 2012, 01:18:07 PM
Because we all know that experts in a given field all widely agree on every subject.  /s

With that said, you do have a point... but to extrapolate from that point, unless Mart's parents have a degree in psychology, they're not qualified (to render an opinion concerning the aggregate).

While true never the less they are his parents.  They have aright to decide what media he is aloud access to at what age.

I think parents would have the best say in this matter, although I don't know if anyone is a parent here?

Yea my parents did'nt have a computer...they see in the news like example , James Holmes, and they get freaked out and that is when they let me play way less, they think he was driven by viedo games i guess, also i told them that there is no blood but they are stubborn :( , i guess i am too :D

Well i'm 18 now and if i where a parent, i'd say no to SWBF, or any other game. This is mostly because of my own experience.
This is because of a couple of reasons. Firstly i was a game addict myself and it ruined the start of my educational life. I never learned for a test, or made large paper about something, because i wanted to game! (i came true my first school with mere C's or 6/10s, except English which was an A+)
Secondly my social life became ruined, i never had spare time to go to a party because of the games i was downloading and playing (and i was a kindoff egoist), it was quite fun at the time. But now i realize, because of gaming i got a hole in my life. I'm wondering what i have done in those years, have i gotten somewhere?
It has been quite a challenge to recover my social life and educational grades and diploma's.
So thats why I say no, because the time you spend time on that game, you could have read a dozen of books. Learned a lot of pages for school. Have partied a lot (get a social network) or have made a terrific good story (like the auteur of the eragon series). Things you can do something with in your life!

But on the other hand, i understand why you want to play a game, it's fun, it passes the time. You make a lot of friends (online). You read news, so your up to date (with game news).
It gives you creativeness, because you re-live a world of action, fantasy, loyalty, joy and friendship. And for a Dutch guy it learns you the ability to be better in English then others.

But in the end, it's not my choice to make, nor your parents! Its your choice, and with that choice you'll live the rest of your life.
It has become your past. Will it be your future as well?

Wow.....Asside from that being a long read :blink: you are right except that his parents should get off his back a bit so that he can play but if they are still bothering him enough that his time is limited (like my mom  :XD:) so he doesnt "Ruin his education and social life" he should be fine. Also i love to game my parents hate it my mom cries sometimes because she thinks i game to much, but i have good grades and I have lots of freinds so i dont think it affects me too much :P then again Mart isnt me.....

Uhm, as i say it from my point of view, i'd say his parents should continue running behind KitFisto's back. I believe it to be the only way to get Kit off his computer.
My parents + brother, made me get off my computer by confiscating my computers (both!). The room looked black and empty at the time, but since then i've changed more then you could possibly imagine.
Therefor i am grateful to my parents and brother that they did such a thing.

Quote from: SleepKiller on October 01, 2012, 12:58:54 PM
My two cents, none of us are actually qualified to discuss on the matter. Unless one of you just happens to have a degree in psychology?

Actually, im working on my  forth year in earning that degree. From what i remember, there might have been a correlation, but no proven causation. Ill look over my notes and give you some good stuff to tell your parents, lol.

Hmm.  I have 2 kids. 10 and 7. _{and don't have a degree in psychology} The girl (10)  I don't have to worry.   The boy, yeah I have to limit the game play.  He's really smart and I'm convinced He wanted to learn to read because of toontown  :P. 

I was into other stuff as a teen, music, girls, partying.  Didn't get into video games till latter in life (post kids).  I cant particularly say it was better or not.  All I can say is too much of anything is a bad thing...and, Violent people make other violent people.....not video games.

I'm (Age 13-17), and my Mom would let me play a CoD game of all things if "I could handle it"... Theoretically. Haven't tried asking her yet.  :dry:

I, on the other hand, am the anal one when it comes to ESRB ratings. I didn't even play smash bros until 13. There goes any Nostalgia for that game.  :moo:

Speaking of Nostalgia, I remember an old quote by someone. It was hilarious and made a point.

QuoteIf you say Violence is bad over and over again, it doesn't make us less violent, IT MAKES US MORE VIOLENT!  :rant:

but seriously, play as Clones. it's the least violent team. It may represent a bad time for Star Wars, but the parents don't know that

I haven't really seen any true violence in Battlefront.

The blaster play, but it's more like paintball as you respawn again and agin till the match is over.

I suppose the rancor eating a unit is a little graphic.

Compared to most media (TV, other games, movies, music videos) SWBF 1 and 2 are pretty tame.

My parents won't let me play paintball  :mellow:

Quote from: Darth Verik on October 02, 2012, 05:01:23 AM
My parents + brother, made me get off my computer by confiscating my computers (both!). The room looked black and empty at the time, but since then i've changed more then you could possibly imagine.
Therefor i am grateful to my parents and brother that they did such a thing.

Meh. We never bothered trying to get my brother off the computer and he now runs an internet developing company.

 The question should not be,"Am I going to kill people after the playing this game" it should be, "Is it bad for me to enjoy killing?"

I think this is a good game and I would let my kid (if I had one) play it. I do agree the respon is like paintball and half of the game is droids and clones. And this is the only war game I am allowed to play. I can play games with aircraft and such becouse its not direct killing. I don't believe the charactors are models of people(more like aliens) so my parants let me play it.

i think its more of a 'am i becoming desensitized to killing?'

Hunting, chasing, and killing instinct - the lagacy from our ancient ancestors. It help them survive in a milleniums, and sitting deep inside each boy or man till today. In modern society, it almost no needed (if you are not military, police, etc), so we have to keep it in "sleep mode". But sometimes, we need to "let steam out", in sport or games, or some day, we realy may explode, and start killing people.

I don't believe COD is a good game(but thats for your parents or you to decide) but I believe the human life is most important and I don't believe that shooting representations of people is good, I believe that the charactors in the game are not representations of people but of aliens like things. And iecko you raise a good point, I believe both the questions raise a good point.

the battlefront characters (except cis and wookies) are representations of people, so you are being inconsistent unless you only play as republic (or empire and only shoot wookies).

Well, even if lucas arts tried to make them representations of people they, to me are not. I don't believe they are for reasons below.

A. the force. I believe this makes them aliens.
B. I don't believe in aliens.

how does the force just automatically make them aliens

Well i dont think its bad if the people you are shoothing have weapons, if the were gunless... o.O

Quote from: Kishan on October 25, 2012, 06:16:02 PM
how does the force just automatically make them aliens

Have you ever went to town and saw someone holding a lightsaber and battling someone else and magically making them float in the air, if you have that would be awesome!!!!!

Quote from: Joseph on October 25, 2012, 06:04:16 PM
the battlefront characters (except cis and wookies) are representations of people, so you are being inconsistent unless you only play as republic (or empire and only shoot wookies).

When I first played single player, I would only play as clones vs CIS because I did not like shooting human looking players.   I had to get over it when I started MP.

See!!!! Buckler said "looking" not actual!!!

Guys, if you don't like shooting people looking characters then you wouldn't like any movie where people die in it. So you are ALL inconsistent!!!!  :cheer:
It's a Star Wars game...
You could have the same exact argument about Lego Star Wars!!! :rofl:

No actually we could not about lego star wars be cause THOSE ARE DEFINATELY LEGOS! and the difference between watching the game and playing it are...
 
  A. I believe it is wrong to enjoy killing people, I am not in the movie nor is Luke skywalker enjoying killing!
  B. See above.

By the way love the video kit  :P

And sometimes my parents get worried cus i laugh while im playing, mostly on xfire ppl tell jokes :D , or i get a funny kill like mine throwing or an air shot :p

My parents don't get worried when I laugh because they know I tell\ hear jokes.

Quote from: Josh on October 25, 2012, 06:38:23 PM
No actually we could not about lego star wars be cause THOSE ARE DEFINATELY LEGOS!

That, is debatible right there.  :hehe:

I don't enjoy killing people and most Star Wars games do not have blood which makes it a lot less realistic.
:shrug:

Quote from: {212}Mart on October 25, 2012, 06:40:08 PM
And sometimes my parents get worried cus i laugh while im playing, mostly on xfire ppl tell jokes :D , or i get a funny kill like mine throwing or an air shot :p

My parents know it's a Star Wars game and they also know my over obsession about Star Wars. :XD:

Um...       ... kit how are legos not being legos even debatable IT SAYS LEGOS ON THE COVER!!!

Quote from: Josh on October 25, 2012, 06:46:11 PM
Um...       ... kit how are legos not being legos even debatable IT SAYS LEGOS ON THE COVER!!!

I'm just messin' with ya!  :rofl:
:friend: ;)

Phew!  :P    I do have a lego star wars game for the wii, the one with all the movies in the game and you can play as Indy.

Bah! I have the original Lego Star Wars I and II. The real deal. Not that complete saga scam.  ;)
Those games were my pre-SWBF games.  :)

Yeah, i'm actually an anti wii guy, it was cool the first year but then it got boring. I just use it to play game cube!   
Its funny I have never owned a none nintenedo game system exept the pc and I technicly own ALL nintendo systems. I seem to play the older systems more then the newer ones tho! 

Quote from: Josh :xmastim: on October 25, 2012, 06:41:47 PM
My parents don't get worried when I laugh because they know I tell\ hear jokes.

i laugh during the game too purely from a lust for violence

 

Quote from: Joseph on October 25, 2012, 07:36:15 PM
i laugh during the game too purely from a lust for violence

thats DISTURBING  :o

Well, I do like to assasinate dancing cows...      :moo: :moo: :moo:  :commander:  (by the way how many smiles are considered spamming?)

Quote from: Josh on October 25, 2012, 07:38:06 PM
 
thats DISTURBING  :o

Well, I do like to assasinate dancing cows...      :moo: :moo: :moo:  :commander:  (by the way how many smiles are considered spamming?)

use the scientific method

What scientific method?

My parents couldn't care less, because I play way more violent games. (I'm 17) I will admit, though, that since I have played such crazy violent games (especially zombie games like Dead Island) I have found it much easier to imagine myself killing other humans. In my mind I think human life has been devalued because of these games. Because every time I kill in a game it's just some faceless, inhuman character. And so anyone besides people I know have, in a way, become that very thing. When I hear the amount of deaths of our soldiers in Iraq I'm not too startled or saddened because I don't know them and they have little value to me, like the video games. I would never become a murderer because its highly against my morals, but violent video games do seem to have the effect on the mind that my mom always said it did (well she exaggerated but she was on the right track.) I think that guy that shot up a theater wanted to be the Joker from Batman, so that kinda shows how violence nulls our nerves to death. Maybe it is a sort of human adaptation to prevent brain trauma when one sees violence a lot. I would let my kid play games like SWBF though, nothing too bad.

Well I know that nobody will kill anyone because they played this game. I think the only ones who should play the game are the ones that are not affected by the killing and still will be saddened by killing of men in real life.

I play SWBF for the Star Wars. Yes I meet lots of great people through the game but I would probably not play a game just like SWBF without the Star Wars part.  :whip:

Quote from: Josh on October 25, 2012, 08:10:03 PM
Well I know that nobody will kill anyone because they played this game. I think the only ones who should play the game are the ones that are not affected by the killing and still will be saddened by killing of men in real life.

Well how would anyone know if playing a game will make them want to unload an AK on a theater? o.O I don't think SWBF is very violent though.

Well do the math, how many people play COD, how many people have murdered.

Sorta off topic, but relevant, I think..

Is it possible that the violence in the games, and the effects it may or may not have on one's psyche are just a convienient excuse?

I'm suggesting that perhaps the parental wish to restrict game exposure may be more about practicing a more balanced lifestyle.

Lots of folks engage in behaviours that, when taken to extremes, can lead to tragic or criminal concequences.
But when used with self moderation, are fine, and can even be seen as recreational.

For example, not all hunters become serial killers.  Not all people at the bar are alcoholics.  Not all punk rockers become violent anarchists bent on taking the system down.

Video games, like many things, can become compulsory and addictive behaviours, that if left unchecked, can have an impact (greater than one might think) on one's life.  When a game becomes more important than real world tasks, such as domestic chores, social contacts, work, ect, that seems (to me) like the 'dangerous place' where the imagry of the game would have more influence on the thoughts and actions of the player.

Sorry if that goes sideways to the conversation, but it seems relevant.

I don't think video games have the ability to turn people into remorseless blood-thirsty killers any more than horror and action films do, and I agree with tirpider, the most dangerous thing about them is their ability to distract from social life.
When there are cases of the media doing their best to blame video games for violence in youths it is just scapegoating, usually these kids will have underlining issues already and gaming just made them more creative.

Hi all, I dont really post on here too often but this topic caught my interest.

I grew up playing violent video games, Wolfenstein, Doom, ROTT etc from about 8 or 9 years of age, with my parents consent. It was always agreed that more than an hour of play was considered excessive at that age and other options for entertainment were made available for me. I also played more wholesome games which time limits were not as strictly enforced. Now many moons later, as a parent to a 4 yr old, I find myself tackling this issue of what are appropriate games for him to play. My son has grown up around SWBF all his life, from him sitting on my lap having a bottle, to now, starting up the game, choosing maps, and, if I may say, playing with a great deal of skill for someone his age. Given the lack of blood and gore in SWBF, normally associated with FPS, I see no problem with him playing it, as long as it is supervised and time limits enforced. However games containing graphic imagery(TF2, COD, Postal 2 etc) are all safely hidden in folders.

I guess my point is(I do have one), as long as gameplay is supervised, bloody imagery off limits for very young players, I see no concern with violent games.

Lol, i like your name Allanon, it's from the Shannara books right? Awesome books!
Do you also read those kind of books? Because if so...all is forgiven about violent games

Indeed that is where my name is from, love those books. Ive missed some of the newer ones however. Almost convinced the missus to name our son Allanon :D(My dogs name is Risca :D)

Allanon is that why you never talk in game? Because your child is playin? :P

I think, if the parents, do not want, they child, grow up, as serial killer, they need just spent more free time with him, sattle friendly relationships, respect his hobby, try to interesting his life, and be intersting for him.
In this case, family relationships, and morality, will be much important for him, then any game, or whatever he may see on tv, or elsewhere.

Quote from: {212}Mart on October 26, 2012, 03:42:10 AM
Allanon is that why you never talk in game? Because your child is playin? :P

I'm sorry Mart, but i'd be more upset with the fact i've been killed by a 4 year old :P

And to Sereja i agree that parents should be more concerned about their child hobby and everything surrounding it. After all...you should know what you've started if you want a child.
But i have to disagree on the fact that in the way discribed, the child will grow up to be a serial killer. Because if it was as easy as mentioned...a lot of people are serial killer nowadays...

Tri you have the best point. Like Allan I have grown up with an hour a day unless I read. More I read more I play. I am now an exalent reader. (but somehow still poor in grammer)

Quote from: Allanon on October 26, 2012, 02:50:15 AM
Hi all, I dont really post on here too often but this topic caught my interest.

I grew up playing violent video games, Wolfenstein, Doom, ROTT etc from about 8 or 9 years of age, with my parents consent. It was always agreed that more than an hour of play was considered excessive at that age and other options for entertainment were made available for me. I also played more wholesome games which time limits were not as strictly enforced. Now many moons later, as a parent to a 4 yr old, I find myself tackling this issue of what are appropriate games for him to play. My son has grown up around SWBF all his life, from him sitting on my lap having a bottle, to now, starting up the game, choosing maps, and, if I may say, playing with a great deal of skill for someone his age. Given the lack of blood and gore in SWBF, normally associated with FPS, I see no problem with him playing it, as long as it is supervised and time limits enforced. However games containing graphic imagery(TF2, COD, Postal 2 etc) are all safely hidden in folders.

I guess my point is(I do have one), as long as gameplay is supervised, bloody imagery off limits for very young players, I see no concern with violent games.

I think that's pretty cool that your 4yr. old son can play SWBF! That means that if you have 2 computers you can play together through LAN! Endless fun!!!!
Just don't tell him about mods/maps or else he will be addicted. Like me...  :XD:

Quote from: Kit Fisto on October 26, 2012, 06:23:10 AM
 
Just don't tell him about mods/maps or else he will be addicted. Like me...  :XD:

Or the mod maps will wreck your computer, like me

mod maps dont wreck your computer..

Have you seen my computer... 

my computer is so bad restarting it can take a half hour or more.

Quote from: Josh on October 25, 2012, 08:15:59 PM
Well do the math, how many people play COD, how many people have murdered.

Well, do the math.  How many people consume coffee?  How many people have been murdered?


The point is that this is a terribly flawed statement and that you are trying to imply causation from the air.

Quote from: BlackScorpion on October 26, 2012, 10:40:04 AM
Well, do the math.  How many people consume coffee?  How many people have been murdered?


The point is that this is a terribly flawed statement and that you are trying to imply causation from the air.

Indeed, but presumably what he meant was something like the following: "How many players of COD go on to commit a murder?". In which case his point would be entirely legitimate.

I think there are legitimate reasons for criticizing contemporary "war" games on the grounds that they lead to violence. I know the US Army has been involved in the development of one or more of these games. It's interesting how, when FPS games came about, they largely centered on historical wars such as WWII, etc. I find it appalling that nowadays there are many games whose story closely parallels the USA's current exploits overseas, which in reality involves the slaughter of innocents on a semi-regular basis.

This is admittedly speculation, but surely playing these games contribute to the (un?)conscious acceptance of our American foreign policy, which is involved in a large number of murders annually. It's worth investigating and now I'm curious if it has been already.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America's_Army

QuoteAmerica's Army (also known as AA or Army Game Project) is a series of video games and other media developed by the United States Army and released as a global public relations initiative to help with recruitment.

Yes, Joseph, that's what I meant. Here is a list of pros and cons of the game's material:
 
   
   
    Pros.
     
       A. The game has no blood.
       B. No abusive language unless online (If this is a problem use PLA server, they are moderated.)   
       C. Respawning, that's when if you die and then you come back to life. Artificial Intelligence does it, too.
       
    Cons.
         
        A. Online language abuse. But, like I stated above, PLA is moderated.
        B. The game is still killing, but the respawn issue may take that concern out.
         
     This list is to any parent who questions this game. I think this game is good for people who are mature.
      The SWBF Gamers servers may be moderated, but I am not sure.                       

Quote from: Josh on October 26, 2012, 03:34:15 PM
Yes, Joseph, that's what I meant. Here is a list of pros and cons of the game's material:
 
   
   
    Pros.
     
       A. The game has no blood.
       B. No abusive language unless online (If this is a problem use PLA server, they are moderated.)   
       C. Respawning, that's when if you die and then you come back to life. Artificial Intelligence does it, too.
       
    Cons.
         
        A. Online language abuse. But, like I stated above, PLA is moderated.
        B. The game is still killing, but the respawn issue may take that concern out.
         
     This list is to any parent who questions this game. I think this game is good for people who are mature.
      The SWBF Gamers servers may be moderated, but I am not sure.                     

The respawning can probably be a bad thing too. It could cause the subconscious to see death as not a big deal, like its not the end of the road. Even though everyone logically knows that's not true, still, I think our subconscious is molded by outside influences, rather than us. (Does anyone get what I'm saying? cause its kinda confusing..)

Thats actually one thing I discussed with myself when I wrote that. I think its not noticeable enough to make anyone think that, but yet still not exactly killing. Plus I believe the HUMAN life is most important and like I stated earlier, I believe they are more closer to alien then human.

Quote from: Josh on October 26, 2012, 06:16:46 PM
Thats actually one thing I discussed with myself when I wrote that. I think its not noticeable enough to make anyone think that, but yet still not exactly killing. Plus I believe the HUMAN life is most important and like I stated earlier, I believe they are more closer to alien then human.

This is true. I guess it would be up to each person's discretion. Since kids usually don't have great discretion, that's probably why most parents are so worried about this stuff. I think everyone should be able to know when they need to take a break from violent video games. I usually play 1-2 hrs

Quote from: Snake on October 26, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
I think everyone should be able to know when they need to take a break from violent video games. I usually play 1-2 hrs

I agree with the majority of what you've said, but I have to quibble a bit here. While I agree that one should limit the amount of time playing a game (or watching TV, or reading, or eating, or most anything), it is not because the game is "violent". If the game is violent to a point that you find objectionable, then you should not play it ever. If you are not bothered by the "violence" in the game, as I'm sure is the case for the majority of SWBF players, then there's no inherent need to limit your exposure to it beyond the usual reasons.

Exposure to violence is not an inherently bad thing. In some cases it can be good, or at least advisable. Ignorance about violent acts can be even more detrimental to the sanity of society than knowledge thereof. As an example, the nightly news should show images of humans killed in the Middle East as a result of our military intervention. When people are coddled and kept ignorant about these things, it leads to apathy. The road to fascism is paved by apathy.

Quote from: Joseph on October 26, 2012, 11:30:10 PM
I agree with the majority of what you've said, but I have to quibble a bit here. While I agree that one should limit the amount of time playing a game (or watching TV, or reading, or eating, or most anything), it is not because the game is "violent". If the game is violent to a point that you find objectionable, then you should not play it ever. If you are not bothered by the "violence" in the game, as I'm sure is the case for the majority of SWBF players, then there's no inherent need to limit your exposure to it beyond the usual reasons.

Exposure to violence is not an inherently bad thing. In some cases it can be good, or at least advisable. Ignorance about violent acts can be even more detrimental to the sanity of society than knowledge thereof. As an example, the nightly news should show images of humans killed in the Middle East as a result of our military intervention. When people are coddled and kept ignorant about these things, it leads to apathy. The road to fascism is paved by apathy.

Agreed, well said

It's not like exposure to killing is bad (depends on the age) Like I stated above "the question should be, Should I enjoy killing" The exposure to it may be fine, but, is it really good to enjoy killing?

Quote from: Josh on October 27, 2012, 06:40:35 AM
It's not like exposure to killing is bad (depends on the age) Like I stated above "the question should be, Should I enjoy killing" The exposure to it may be fine, but, is it really good to enjoy killing?

Well if you cont like the violence in COD or SWBF then there is 1 solution... Simply dont play those types of games... Most video games these days have violence, Lego Indiana Jones is an example.

Quote from: 501stComSharpshot on October 27, 2012, 07:38:49 AM
Well if you cont like the violence in COD or SWBF then there is 1 solution... Simply dont play those types of games... Most video games these days have violence, Lego Indiana Jones is an example.

You can't be serious if Lego games are violent then society is officially screwed. Oh wait it is already as you were. But in Lego games, you yourself can't ever die you will always re-spawn. Even enemies usually re-spawn. And they are well Lego Minfigures not representations of humans. They may have the smellest amount of violence in but that is a tiny amount.

Quote from: SleepKiller on October 27, 2012, 04:07:33 PM
You can't be serious if Lego games are violent then society is officially screwed. Oh wait it is already as you were. But in Lego games, you yourself can't ever die you will always re-spawn. Even enemies usually re-spawn. And they are well Lego Minfigures not representations of humans. They may have the smellest amount of violence in but that is a tiny amount.

Yes but its still there...

Quote from: 501stComSharpshot on October 27, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
Yes but its still there...

Hahaha, Lego games are rated E. For EVERYONE. LOL.  :rofl:
Not trying to start a fight :whip:

 

Quote from: 501stComSharpshot on October 27, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
Yes but its still there...

You gotta be kidding me, lego games are fine. No violence whatsoever. Army men toys cause more violence. I have rollercoaster games where coasters crash and people die( it is fun to do it on purpose) and its rated E!

Outside of puzzle or race games, you will be hard pressed to find a competative game without some violent elements.

Even chess carries a sort of passive aggresive violence in that it is a combative stratagy game, teaching elements of sacrifice, flanking and such.

But even without a war metaphore, compatition itself is aggressive. Anytime you 'win' or prosper via putting someone else down or via your competators suffering or loss, then you have engaged in an aggressive activity.

Not exacly violent in the context of this thread, but with simular overtones.

hmm...
Off topic, but how about a non-violent mod... Stormtroopers and Rebels chase rainbows, and at the end of the match, everyone wins.

Actually, tirpider the first racing game I glanced at after I saw that, was rated, " E mild violence." And my rollercoaster game is pretty much a puzzle, strategy game!!! 

heh, well I was thinking more along the lines of "Candy Lane" and "Snakes and Ladders" type race games.
The auto race video games these days deliberatly showcase the crashes.
Real crashes are everything but entertaining, especially when fatal.

But it's easy to over think things and blow them out of proportion.
How interesting would the entertainment industry be without violence?

I really don't think hollywood would have picked up at all if everything were as tame as The Andy Griffith show or My Three Sons.

One could argue that the more violent our media and entertainment becomes, then the more violent the world becomes. But it doesn't hold water, as our world has always been a violent place, throughout recorded history.

The best we can do is to put our minds to become better people and to help others do the same. But that is an active decision on the part of the individual, and not something a game, movie, or story is going to change.

Quote from: Joseph on October 26, 2012, 11:30:10 PMWhen people are coddled and kept ignorant about these things, it leads to apathy. The road to fascism is paved by apathy.

The images in our media can remind us of just how bad things can become or have been.

When I would get home from my overnight job, stocking shelves, I would tell my wife I was going to go into a murderous rage. She knew it meant I was going to play Battlefront.  Taken out of context, you might think I was a nut. But the realtiy is, my wife and I are very gentle people.  That doesn't stop us from enjoying Movies, games, or television with vile or violent content.  It's just stories.

I think most folks, particularly young people, learn how to behave through actual interactions with other people.  The most influence a video game could have (in my opinion...) would be simular to sports. Learning sportsmanship and fraternity through clan wars and online competition.  How to talk smack before a match and such.  I've got several hours in FPS type games, but if I found myself in a combat situation... well.. It would be bad for me.  There is more reality to those sorts of activities than what is presented on the screen, reality that could only be learned via hands on training.

Some folks will mimic bits of dialog or actions with others, but thats more of a coloqueal sharing of common ideals. Like all those Austin Powers quotes everyone threw around when it was new. I've never once seen a Grand Theft Auto style carjacking while waking to the store.

I guess what I'm getting at is that the violence in games will be there, we can't stop it. And SWBF 1 and 2 are pretty tame compared to the rest. I see no problems with it at all.

Quote from: tirpider on October 27, 2012, 07:33:30 PM
heh, well I was thinking more along the lines of "Candy Lane" and "Snakes and Ladders" type race games.

Awww YEA!!!! Those games... Those games... :happy: :D :shrug:

Yeah, Im a HUGE auto racing buff ( mainly NASCAR) But just last year a man, 2 time indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon was killed in a HORRIBLE wreck  :'(. Please, any editor could you show a picture here of the wreck, I do not know how to put them here, thanks.

if u think swbf or legos are violent do some historical research on the middle ages and inquisition...

Quote from: tirpider on October 27, 2012, 07:33:30 PMThere is more reality to those sorts of activities than what is presented on the screen, reality that could only be learned via hands on training.

This may not be the true for to long


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQR49JGySTM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQR49JGySTM)

Quote from: Josh on October 27, 2012, 06:31:58 PM

You gotta be kidding me, lego games are fine. No violence whatsoever. Army men toys cause more violence. I have rollercoaster games where coasters crash and people die( it is fun to do it on purpose) and its rated E!

Your backing up your statement with nothing, I myself have played Lego Star Wars episodes 1-3 and Droids shoot you.

Droids that shoot BRICKS! Thats like saying "shooting rubber bands at toy army men is a violent activity."

Quote from: Josh on October 28, 2012, 05:48:28 AM
Droids that shoot BRICKS! Thats like saying "shooting rubber bands at toy army men is a violent activity."

If thats violence, my cat is a mass murderer.

Quote from: Kit Fisto on October 27, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Hahaha, Lego games are rated E. For EVERYONE. LOL.  :rofl:

If I remember right there was actaully some controversy when LEGO got the star wars licence as it was the first time lego people used guns.

Quote from: Josh on October 27, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
Yeah, Im a HUGE auto racing buff ( mainly NASCAR) But just last year a man, 2 time indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon was killed in a HORRIBLE wreck  :'(. Please, any editor could you show a picture here of the wreck, I do not know how to put them here, thanks.

I'm a big F1 fan and for the most part enjoy crashes as part of the risk of the sport which I don't think is a bad thing as otherwise there is no limit to push but I saw the pile up/fire that killed Dan Wheldon and don't want to see it again.

I didn't watch it live but I remember my mom flicking through channels when it came to fox news and it had the annoncement about it. I was completely dumbfounded and then my mom looked up the crash on the internet and I was horrified. The wreck was so bad it looked as if more could have easily died. The wreck in my opinion was indy cars fault because they where racing extremely fast cars on a nascar track on the final race of the season, very bad combination.

Quote from: Phobos on October 27, 2012, 08:40:33 PM
if u think swbf or legos are violent do some historical research on the middle ages and inquisition...

As Phobos is getting at, a quick glance at history shows us how horrifically violent and cruel humanity is given the chance...
You wouldn't even have to look as far back as the Middle ages considering the amount of blood shed that occurred in the last 100 years [First World War and the Second World War].

Video games won't make you violent, but your humanity will!
(But don't despair we also do some nice things too).

The problem is glorification of violence. Presenting violence is OK, it happens and you shouldn't hide it from [mature] people.
Glorifying violence makes it look great and shows that there are no downsides to it (lying), this is what SWBF does to an extent, the violence is clean and victimless...


BUT I reckon that majority of people who play video games are mentally and emotionally mature enough to know violence is generally a bad thing, sure it might be "required" for stuff but avoiding it is also a good idea. 

This is why age ratings are important! Immature young kids might play something intensely violent and think it's acceptable behaviour.

Quote from: Kit Fisto on October 26, 2012, 06:23:10 AM
Just don't tell him about mods/maps or else he will be addicted. Like me...  :XD:

"true dat"
interesting discussion overall though