[HELP]Collision Scale

[Snake]

What collision scale values will allow a unit to survive a fall but die from getting hit by a car?

[SleepKiller]

MATH! Or something. I have no idea how SWBF calculates how much damage to deal to a unit. This is a rough guess on my part. The following value in theory will possibly null out any damage from falling, while still having the unit take damage from the car.

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0.1018329938900204

You may want to round it to just be .1018 though

Just so we are clear I have no idea how SWBF calculates collision damage, try that value and go from there increasing/decreasing till you have what you want.

[Snake]

CollisionScale  = "0.1018329938900204 0.0 0.0" ?

[SleepKiller]

Just remove the two 0.0 0.0, I don't know if they do anything. (Something to test in the future, I suspect it is probably values for XYZ collision. But if it doesn't get the second two it probably just falls back to the first one.)

So use this line.

CollisionScale  = "0.1018"

[Snake]

Lol, well the first number made the game so mad it gave a hissy fit and crashed. I'll try the rounded one.

--Nope, still a crash. 

I'll try making them all 0.5

--Wow.. still crashed. That is the weirdest thing..

[Sereja]

You may just try use stock jettrooper parameters:

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CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"

[SleepKiller]

Lol, well the first number made the game so mad it gave a hissy fit and crashed. I'll try the rounded one.

--Nope, still a crash. 

I'll try making them all 0.5

--Wow.. still crashed. That is the weirdest thing..

Are you sure it is the line causing the problem?

[tirpider]

I don't know if this will help or not, but here is every CollisionScale entry from every odf in the shipped SWBF1 assets.

The entries seem to range from -0.5 to 100.0

Some have quotes, some don't. I think the quotes are optional due to the way Lua handles variables. (I'm not positive about that.)

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bes_fly_cloudcar.odf                - CollisionScale = “1.5”
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_fedcoreship.odf             - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion_cp.odf         - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_generator.odf       - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_shield.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_hover_gianspeeder.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
nab_prop_fambaa.odf                 - CollisionScale = 100.0
tat_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_fly_moncalamari_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 100.0
all_fly_snowspeeder.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_fly_xwing.odf                   - CollisionScale = “1.5”
all_fly_ywing.odf                   - CollisionScale = “1.5”
all_hover_combatspeeder.odf         - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_walk_tauntaun.odf               - CollisionScale = “0.5 0 0”
all_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
cis_fly_droidfighter.odf            - CollisionScale = “1.5”
cis_fly_fedlander_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_geofighter.odf              - CollisionScale = “1.5”
cis_fly_maf.odf                     - CollisionScale = “1.5”
cis_fly_technounion_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
cis_hover_aat.odf                   - CollisionScale = 4
cis_hover_mtt.odf                   - CollisionScale = 30.0
cis_hover_stap.odf                  - CollisionScale = 0.3
cis_tread_hailfire.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.0
cis_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
geo_inf_geonosian.odf               - CollisionScale = “0.0 0.0 0.0”
imp_fly_destroyer_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
imp_fly_tiebomber.odf               - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter_DOME.odf         - CollisionScale = 0.3
imp_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = “1.0 -0.5 0”
imp_inf_dark_trooper.odf            - CollisionScale = “0.0 0.0 0.0”
imp_inf_dark_troopersnow.odf        - CollisionScale = “0.0 0.0 0.0”
imp_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
rep_fly_assault_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
rep_fly_gunship.odf                 - CollisionScale = “2.5”
rep_fly_gunship_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_fly_jedifighter.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_fly_jedifighter_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
rep_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = “1.0 -0.5 0”
rep_inf_jet_trooper.odf             - CollisionScale = “0.0 0.0 0.0”
rep_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0


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[Snake]

You may just try use stock jettrooper parameters:

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CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"

Yes, but then they won't be killed by getting hit by a car.

Are you sure it is the line causing the problem?

Yeah, I got suspicious it was something else but I highly doubt it since I don't recall editing anything else. Unfortunately I'm about to go to camp (like in a few minutes) so I will have to test it again next week.

I don't know if this will help or not, but here is every CollisionScale entry from every odf in the shipped SWBF1 assets.

The entries seem to range from -0.5 to 100.0

Some have quotes, some don't. I think the quotes are optional due to the way Lua handles variables. (I'm not positive about that.)

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bes_fly_cloudcar.odf                - CollisionScale = "1.5"
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_fedcoreship.odf             - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion_cp.odf         - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_generator.odf       - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_shield.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_hover_gianspeeder.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
nab_prop_fambaa.odf                 - CollisionScale = 100.0
tat_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_fly_moncalamari_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 100.0
all_fly_snowspeeder.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_fly_xwing.odf                   - CollisionScale = "1.5"
all_fly_ywing.odf                   - CollisionScale = "1.5"
all_hover_combatspeeder.odf         - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_walk_tauntaun.odf               - CollisionScale = "0.5 0 0"
all_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
cis_fly_droidfighter.odf            - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_fedlander_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_geofighter.odf              - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_maf.odf                     - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_technounion_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
cis_hover_aat.odf                   - CollisionScale = 4
cis_hover_mtt.odf                   - CollisionScale = 30.0
cis_hover_stap.odf                  - CollisionScale = 0.3
cis_tread_hailfire.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.0
cis_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
geo_inf_geonosian.odf               - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_fly_destroyer_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
imp_fly_tiebomber.odf               - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter_DOME.odf         - CollisionScale = 0.3
imp_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = "1.0 -0.5 0"
imp_inf_dark_trooper.odf            - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_inf_dark_troopersnow.odf        - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
rep_fly_assault_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
rep_fly_gunship.odf                 - CollisionScale = "2.5"
rep_fly_gunship_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_fly_jedifighter.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_fly_jedifighter_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
rep_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = "1.0 -0.5 0"
rep_inf_jet_trooper.odf             - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
rep_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0


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That's very strange.. I'll have to test these later.

[Sereja]

Yes, but then they won't be killed by getting hit by a car.

Hmm... Perhaps, you use wrong car :
[spoiler][/spoiler]

[Kit Fisto]

Someone arrest this crazy driver!

And when Sereja gets married don't be near him when he's driving to the reception. 

[SleepKiller]

I don't know if this will help or not, but here is every CollisionScale entry from every odf in the shipped SWBF1 assets.

The entries seem to range from -0.5 to 100.0

Some have quotes, some don't. I think the quotes are optional due to the way Lua handles variables. (I'm not positive about that.)

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bes_fly_cloudcar.odf                - CollisionScale = "1.5"
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_fedcoreship.odf             - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
geo_bldg_technounion_cp.odf         - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_generator.odf       - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_bldg_fambaa_shield.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
nab_hover_gianspeeder.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
nab_prop_fambaa.odf                 - CollisionScale = 100.0
tat_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_fly_moncalamari_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 100.0
all_fly_snowspeeder.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_fly_xwing.odf                   - CollisionScale = "1.5"
all_fly_ywing.odf                   - CollisionScale = "1.5"
all_hover_combatspeeder.odf         - CollisionScale = 1.5
all_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
all_walk_tauntaun.odf               - CollisionScale = "0.5 0 0"
all_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
cis_fly_droidfighter.odf            - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_fedlander_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
cis_fly_geofighter.odf              - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_maf.odf                     - CollisionScale = "1.5"
cis_fly_technounion_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
cis_hover_aat.odf                   - CollisionScale = 4
cis_hover_mtt.odf                   - CollisionScale = 30.0
cis_hover_stap.odf                  - CollisionScale = 0.3
cis_tread_hailfire.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.0
cis_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
geo_inf_geonosian.odf               - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_fly_destroyer_DOME.odf          - CollisionScale = 100.0
imp_fly_tiebomber.odf               - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter.odf              - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_fly_tiefighter_DOME.odf         - CollisionScale = 0.3
imp_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
imp_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = "1.0 -0.5 0"
imp_inf_dark_trooper.odf            - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_inf_dark_troopersnow.odf        - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
imp_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0
rep_fly_assault_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 100.0
rep_fly_gunship.odf                 - CollisionScale = "2.5"
rep_fly_gunship_DOME.odf            - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_fly_jedifighter.odf             - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_fly_jedifighter_DOME.odf        - CollisionScale = 0.25
rep_hover_fightertank.odf           - CollisionScale = 1.5
rep_hover_skiff.odf                 - CollisionScale = 30.0
rep_hover_speederbike.odf           - CollisionScale = "1.0 -0.5 0"
rep_inf_jet_trooper.odf             - CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"
rep_weap_inf_remotedroid_ord.odf    - CollisionScale = 10.0


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I'm pretty sure it has to do with the way .class files store information. So something in quotes i.e

CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"

Will be stored as a string and it sort of needs to be there are three arguments being used for that definition of CollisionScale. Where as something without quotes would be stored as a 32-bit float. (It might go double if it needs to, I haven't actually ever seen ODFMunge's source code.) I think it may also handle integers and the like in similar fashion.

[Phobos]

I'm pretty sure it has to do with the way .class files store information. So something in quotes i.e

CollisionScale = "0.0 0.0 0.0"

Will be stored as a string and it sort of needs to be there are three arguments being used for that definition of CollisionScale. Where as something without quotes would be stored as a 32-bit float. (It might go double if it needs to, I haven't actually ever seen ODFMunge's source code.) I think it may also handle integers and the like in similar fashion.

that is an interesting point, would missing quotes in the vehicle ODFs possibly be causing certain hover tanks to flip over when turned sharply? if values are doubled because they aren't contained in quote marks, that might help explain the cause of this mysterious bug.