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Title: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
I E-mailed gamespy and have actually got a response from a real person but it's not good....

Hi Glyn,

Lucas Arts no longer supports this title and as a service provider to Lucas Arts we're obligated to follow their directions and have disabled this game on our end. You may want to reach out to Lucas Arts.

AFC/

The strange thing is Lucasarts hasn't changed their posistion on SWBF in a few years as far as I know so this doesn't mean much just that gamespy probably won't help.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 08:36:17 AM
NO NO NO!!!!!! Maybe we could pay them to keep it up? NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {TcF}Dr.Penguin on November 12, 2012, 08:47:16 AM
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Unit 33 on November 12, 2012, 09:32:07 AM
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
The strange thing is Lucasarts hasn't changed their posistion on SWBF in a few years as far as I know so this doesn't mean much just that gamespy probably won't help.

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Gee I wonder what changed their position?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Droideka on November 12, 2012, 09:40:37 AM
I don't even know how to respond to this. They just shut down the game I've loved for 6 years.  :o

Are we going to be petitioning Lucasarts now? That seems to be our best option at this point.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
This means war mickey mouse, YOU HEAR ME?!?!? THIS MEANS WAR! I will burn you alive!!!!! I will skin bambi! I will behead goofy! I will shoot miney mouse! I will drown donald duck! I will starve your dog! I will kill the seven dwarfs with a NUCLEAR bomb! All the disney princesses will be hung! I WILL KILL YOU ALL!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Joseph on November 12, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 09:58:34 AM
This means war mickey mouse, YOU HEAR ME?!?!? THIS MEANS WAR! I will burn you alive!!!!! I will skin bambi! I will behead goofy! I will shoot miney mouse! I will drown donald duck! I will starve your dog! I will kill the seven dwarfs with a NUCLEAR bomb! All the disney princesses will be hung! I WILL KILL YOU ALL!

then they will take you to Room 101 and "cure" you by playing a Hannah Montana album
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {U.E.F}Gamergirl on November 12, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
I always expect the worst case, and now here it is. Well, if only every player knew how to use Tunngle. Spread it, the community stands as one. We do not need Gamespy.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {TcF}Dr.Penguin on November 12, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Well we should find some one who is in charge and spam them until they put servers back up.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 12, 2012, 11:14:13 AM
RIP Swbf1 the best game ever made. Officially killed 11-7-2012.

We will be lucky to get even 25% of the player base to install and use tunngle. It just wont be the same without internet MP.

We should try whatever is necessary to get lucasarts/disney to support this game again. There has to be a way and we must find it. But not with the kind of attitude josh has. That stupid kind of talk is just going to make things worse.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Joseph on November 12, 2012, 11:15:39 AM
Quote from: {TcF}Dr.Penguin on November 12, 2012, 11:13:27 AM
Well we should find some one who is in charge and spam them until they put servers back up.

awful idea

Quote from: {U.E.F}Gamergirl on November 12, 2012, 11:00:24 AM
I always expect the worst case, and now here it is. Well, if only every player knew how to use Tunngle. Spread it, the community stands as one. We do not need Gamespy.

This is the correct solution.

One way of reaching people who you don't see on xfire is by looking to see if they have registered on this site. You may be surprised how many familiar people you can find by searching, even if they've never posted. You can them PM them and this message would likely go to their regular personal email. If led could send out a community wide PM that would be ideal.

Obviously, everyone in a clan should be sure that all of their clanmates know about Tunngle.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 11:20:51 AM
Its a joke phobes, just to lighten the mood on this tragic turn of events. But seriously, the reason they shut it down is becouse of money. If we pay them money, maybe they will bring it back.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 11:30:10 AM
God...
And why did they close it now ? =(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Black Water on November 12, 2012, 12:27:17 PM
Nooooo :'( , it was nice playing with all you guys. I will miss those times :(. Maybe i can get tunnggle to work but it will never be the same :(. if Lucas arts doesn't support Swbf then who does? Maybe someone could buy it....
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
I just wanted to say a few things about this;
First of all while I disagree with what Gamespy have done many new games are turned off after 2 years now so 8 years of support (which must cost them) shouldn't be forgotten.

Also while I think as many should complain as possible it should be kept civil, spamming won't help. The one person I have got through to not only gave me the original message I posted but also sent me another telling me about the possibility of using gameranger which I appreciate him going out of his way to do. Gamespy might not be popular but the individuals who deal with us have done nothing wrong.

And finally I have been in contact with LucasArts who just sent me this;
Hi Glyn,
We are currently looking into this issue.
Your case has been escalated to our tier 2 department for review, a tier 2 agent will contact you when have more information in regards to this issue.

-  :censored: with Technical support.
It doesn't mean very much but it does at least mean there are still people around at LucasArts.

Edit: The censored bit is just a name of the person I'm E-mailing who i didn't think would like his name published here at the moment. :)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: [FC]EdS.Zach on November 12, 2012, 12:55:42 PM
RIP SWBF  :'(
I'll certainly miss playing with all you guys! Great times we had. Hopefully we can get somewhere with Lucasarts and maybe get the game back up.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 01:09:55 PM
Well, we all knew this day would come at some time.  Maybe we could ask a favor of them to put it back for a week to allow us to move to our new home and announce it to the general public.  Although, I think anyone these days could google the issue and find this website.

Many people have played this game, most have left, and a few of us die-hards are still here.  I plan to renew this website until 2024 for those of us want to keep playing.  If I'm still alive and the internet still exists we can figure out what next after that :P 

Meanwhile, we can still have weekly game times and make our mods for us all to enjoy using GameRanger and Tunngle.  Look for announcements in the forums.

Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kînnjax on November 12, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
So, how to they stop supportign SWBF1 but continue to support Jedi Outcast and Jedi academy?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: RepComm on November 12, 2012, 01:16:33 PM
Quote from: Joseph on November 12, 2012, 10:54:02 AM
then they will take you to Room 101 and "cure" you by playing a Hannah Montana album
LOL, Joseph!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 01:18:38 PM
Quote from: {TcF}=Rick={G}(305th-Infantry) on November 12, 2012, 01:14:27 PM
So, how to they stop supportign SWBF1 but continue to support Jedi Outcast and Jedi academy?!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant:
They have much larger player numbers and I believe you can play on either games servers with academy. Or more likely the SWBF servers crashed and they just couldn't be bothered to fix the problem. It could happen to any game :(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: aeria. on November 12, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
Tbh I'm not a big fan of Tunngle. I've always been more of a Hamachi user.

Regardless this is sad news and I am not surprised of this response. Every game that got disconnected from gamespy was for this reason, LucasArts or not.

I would request LucasArts to make a patch that redirects the multiplayer button to Gameranger like the mac port (gr was was official and only option to play SWBF online anyway) but I doubt that will happen either.

It was good 8 years guys. SWBF has beaten the odds when it came to it's multiplayer life span and gamespy has cooperated by holding servers up all this time despite being a near dead brand. Right now what's important is to spread the word about our alternatives.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
Quote from: aeria. on November 12, 2012, 01:27:24 PM
I would request LucasArts to make a patch that redirects the multiplayer button to Gameranger like the mac port (gr was was official and only option to play SWBF online anyway) but I doubt that will happen either.
I doubt LucasArts would make the patch. But maybe if we did it...  :shady:    <---not really the correct expression but  :shrug:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: SleepKiller on November 12, 2012, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: UNIT 33 on November 12, 2012, 09:32:07 AM
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Gee I wonder what changed their position?
Oh come on guys. So quick and easy to blame Disney isn't it?

The odds are the contract for Star Wars Battlefront simply expire and it would probably take serious money for LucasArts to renew it. My 2 cents on it anyway. I don't blame Disney at all.

Also  what is it with all the Disney nonsense lately? LucasArts and LucasFilm are still companies they just have a bunch of greedy shareholders to report to now (Never a good thing in the gaming industry. So instead of SWBFIII having terrible gameplay it will have terrible gameplay without all the content. That you will then have to pay extra for.)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 01:38:27 PM
Quote from: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 01:29:51 PM
I doubt LucasArts would make the patch. But maybe if we did it...  :shady:    <---not really the correct expression but  :shrug:
To be honest the problem isn't getting it to work, it's getting the average player to use the new methods. If you go online now about half the players who still can play are also using radar which basically means if you don't have it it's become imposssible to enjoy the game. We need the wide variety of players back with different servers and timezones or it just stops being fun, for me at least...
I won't stop playing but I'll be on a lot less and probably concentrate on clan nights or games where I know the other players. :(
But I'll keep trying to get this fixed...
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Dude, if every member every month paid 5 dollars we could easily get the servers back
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 02:00:42 PM
Interdeptic told me an idea : To make events for all Tunngles (Like an event for all clans where we can play and have fun) so that we can see ''many'' players together.
In my 1.0 Clan, ive put how to install Tunngle in some languages, but the people that were clanless, or who were less than a General (in my clan), didnt have our website so they may have ''lost'' swbf. :(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Niño on November 12, 2012, 02:01:28 PM
Maybe we could write a petition and get as many people to sign it. But then again we are a minority group of about 200 people who still play SWBF, so I doubt LucasArts would really bother paying any attention let alone fixing the problem. However, I know that there has to be a way out of this predicament regardless of whether it is deemed hopeless or not.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Dude, if every member every month paid 5 dollars we could easily get the servers back
I would pay a considerable amount to get them back if it meant everyone could play again, it's just finding someone to pay. :(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Helios on November 12, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
A petition and an amount of money around the 250 mark should set us up for a plead to get the servers back online.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {YAK}{212}Col{COM} Johnis on November 12, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
I would pay a considerable amount to get them back if it meant everyone could play again, it's just finding someone to pay. :(
Give me a few year so I can make the NFL draft and I'll pay LucasArts 5 million dollars(at least) if they will put the servers back up :tu:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 12, 2012, 02:20:22 PM
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on November 12, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
I just wanted to say a few things about this;
First of all while I disagree with what Gamespy have done many new games are turned off after 2 years now so 8 years of support (which must cost them) shouldn't be forgotten.

Also while I think as many should complain as possible it should be kept civil, spamming won't help. The one person I have got through to not only gave me the original message I posted but also sent me another telling me about the possibility of using gameranger which I appreciate him going out of his way to do. Gamespy might not be popular but the individuals who deal with us have done nothing wrong.

And finally I have been in contact with LucasArts who just sent me this;
Hi Glyn,
We are currently looking into this issue.
Your case has been escalated to our tier 2 department for review, a tier 2 agent will contact you when have more information in regards to this issue.

-  :censored: with Technical support.
It doesn't mean very much but it does at least mean there are still people around at LucasArts.

Edit: The censored bit is just a name of the person I'm E-mailing who i didn't think would like his name published here at the moment. :)

Of all the negativity and hopeless talk and some hopeful talk, this post I find had the most hope in it. At least it's a sign LucasArts has a decency of caring for one of their best games.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 02:24:02 PM
Quote from: ComSharpshot on November 12, 2012, 02:16:49 PM
A petition and an amount of money around the 250 mark should set us up for a plead to get the servers back online.
and
Quote from: JohnisofLU on November 12, 2012, 02:17:52 PM
Give me a few year so I can make the NFL draft and I'll pay LucasArts 5 million dollars(at least) if they will put the servers back up :tu:

Don't worry guys
[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/v/SeldwfOwuL8?version=3&amp;hl=en_US&amp;rel=0[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 02:28:52 PM
Niño, how could we do that ?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 02:37:40 PM
Guys, a petition wont work, lucas arts and gamespy dont care about making people happy, they care about MONEY! They have most likely paid an insane amount of money on keeping servers up and dont want to spend another dime on online play. Now, if the swbf gamers community wrote a check every month that would pay for the servers and then some, the servers would be back INSTANTLY

Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: SirPimped on November 12, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
I've played this game 8 years, and I'm not going to stop now. I will continue to play on Tunngle, and honestly there isn't much of a difference to me. I enjoy playing the FC servers and they are almost getting more traffic now than before. I do feel bad for PLA because their servers are a lot of fun when there are a lot of people, but now it will be hard to get 20 or more people in the server at once.

We can sign some type of petition, but let's be honest, this game is too old with too few players for Lucas Arts to be interested. Don't get me wrong, if someone makes one I'll be the first to sign, but I just don't think it will help.

Here is a website for an online petition: http://www.change.org/

So I will continue on playing this game, and I hope that you will all stay to play along with me.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 12, 2012, 02:47:43 PM
Quote from: sirpimped on November 12, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
I've played this game 8 years, and I'm not going to stop now. I will continue to play on Tunngle, and honestly there isn't much of a difference to me. I enjoy playing the FC servers and they are almost getting more traffic now than before. I do feel bad for PLA because their servers are a lot of fun when there are a lot of people, but now it will be hard to get 20 or more people in the server at once.

We can sign some type of petition, but let's be honest, this game is too old with too few players for Lucas Arts to be interested. Don't get me wrong, if someone makes one I'll be the first to sign, but I just don't think it will help.

Here is a website for an online petition: http://www.change.org/

So I will continue on playing this game, and I hope that you will all stay to play along with me.  :cheers:

I couldn't agree more, well said.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 02:49:52 PM
I will hold out a week or two before I get tungle, if any longer, ill get tungle.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: (212th)Josh02 on November 12, 2012, 02:54:48 PM
I will miss the internet for swbf... but i couldnt agree with you more sirpimped.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 02:56:37 PM
Quote from: sirpimped on November 12, 2012, 02:44:19 PM
I do feel bad for PLA because their servers are a lot of fun when there are a lot of people, but now it will be hard to get 20 or more people in the server at once.


PLA will be fine.  When we have our clan nights, there will be many of us.  :)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: «ΙΞ¢KØ» on November 12, 2012, 02:57:26 PM
Quote from: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 02:00:42 PM
To make events for all Tunngles (Like an event for all clans where we can play and have fun) so that we can see ''many'' players together.

ya i was thinking the same thing, have some tunngle events at least once a week, maybe a few custom maps to. Just somthin to try to get a lot of ppl online.

but ya, this really sucks, been at this game for about 8 yrs now, nvr thought about it just disappearing on me
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: (212th)Josh02 on November 12, 2012, 02:58:39 PM
yeah you really cant beat a pla server full of people.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
How will ppl recruit now ? :(
How will PLA get more members ? (Same for other clans)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 03:02:53 PM
Quote from: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
How will ppl recruit now ? :(
How will PLA get more members ? (Same for other clans)

PLA has not recruited anyone for a while.  Those that are being recruiting lately are from other clans.  The player base is too small to support much.

That said, we can still have some good playing nights. 

The Direct Connection forum will be renamed as GameRanger/Tunngle and we can organize there.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kînnjax on November 12, 2012, 03:09:45 PM
This stinks.

There goes my SWBF playing for the next 7 months.....
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: BlackScorpion on November 12, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
11/7.  A date which will live in infamy.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Joseph on November 12, 2012, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: Anyder on November 12, 2012, 03:00:28 PM
How will ppl recruit now ? :(
How will PLA get more members ? (Same for other clans)
They won't; there will be no pool of new players. I think over the last year or so SWBF online had reached a quasi-equilibrium of players leaving and joining. Now that no one will be joining, defeat is imminent.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kînnjax on November 12, 2012, 03:16:00 PM
Quote from: BlackScorpion on November 12, 2012, 03:14:16 PM
11/7.  A date which will live in infamy.
No, I'm not giving up.
Yes, a sign of madness is repeating what has already been proven to be false/undoable.
But without people who push, there has never been change. I'm sending a physical letter to Lucasarts expressing my displeasure as well as demanding an explanation and a solution.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
People, donate money! Lets tell gamespy if you bring the servers back up, you will get loads of money every month!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kînnjax on November 12, 2012, 03:20:53 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
People, donate money! Lets tell gamespy if you bring the servers back up, you will get loads of money every month!
Thats a whole lot easier said than done....
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Droideka on November 12, 2012, 03:22:21 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 03:17:33 PM
People, donate money! Lets tell gamespy if you bring the servers back up, you will get loads of money every month!
I don't think it's an issue of money, I just think that LA doesn't see the point in supporting servers with so few people playing. They're cutting off old games that have gone mostly inactive, and unfortunately that includes SWBF1.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 03:23:00 PM
Well, im willing to donate, if others are, even a LITTLE, we could get the servers up. Anything is better than not having swbf online. They dont care how much people play they just want money!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 12, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
Quote from: Droideka on November 12, 2012, 03:22:21 PM
I don't think it's an issue of money, I just think that LA doesn't see the point in supporting servers with so few people playing. They're cutting off old games that have gone mostly inactive, and unfortunately that includes SWBF1.
they might start to see "the point" if they start seeing a nice check every month or so often
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kînnjax on November 12, 2012, 03:26:54 PM
EaW had better have been cut as well otherwise this is plain stupid.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Helios on November 12, 2012, 03:27:18 PM
Quote from: Phobos on November 12, 2012, 03:25:36 PM
they might start to see "the point" if they start seeing a nice check every month or so often
Indeed they will Phobos.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 03:50:26 PM
Seriously, I don't think a couple of hundred bucks wont be worth their time to process the payment.   We need to move through the stages of grief, and into the "acceptance" stage.

This is a great game, and is still fun for us to play and mod.  Let's make the most of it through the options we have left--which are really pretty good, although not convenient.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {212}FrenchFryZ on November 12, 2012, 03:59:48 PM
Well the one thing i can take from this is that i probably wont have to continue with TcF training! Maybe? I met a lot of great people playing this game but i think that it really was time for this game to go to rest... Who knows maybe in 2014 they will come out with new form of battlefront with the new movie O.o Until then....Gameranger and Tunngle.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 04:03:31 PM
Led we can still try...             still...  we can try....          hopefully we can somehow get the server back. Im done giving my opinion. (maybe) I will let you guys pick a way to fix it, whatever way you choose, I will be behind it 9999999%
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Joseph on November 12, 2012, 04:09:01 PM
I think the best we could do would be guilt-tripping them into putting the servers back up for another week, so we can alert the other players to the Tunngle solution. However if they're "obligated" to take the servers down as the person in gdh's post suggested, we're SOL.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
Even with the death of battlefront, lets keep the site alive!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 04:27:57 PM
If this it really isn't gonna come back then I feel pretty  :censored: stupid. I spen like 2 whole weekends trying to get that port to work and now, I can't use it.  :rant: :rant: :rant: :rant:
If I can host DC's without problems then maybe we can have mod map nights then? But only when I am hosting, cause I would have no way to not play and host.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
Anyway I can  play online WITHOUT tungle?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: jdee-barc on November 12, 2012, 04:32:31 PM
BF2 is another thing to look into alongside this, perhaps for multiplayer events. That game still has its servers up and runming as of yesterday.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 12, 2012, 04:34:01 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 04:14:31 PM
Even with the death of battlefront, lets keep the site alive!
death of battlefront's multiplayer master server (for now).

lets keep VLAN battlefront alive with weekly events at the very least. if everyone currently participating in the CC hallway tournament can get tunngle to work then we can resume progress.

BF2 is cool but i just dont care for it. Ill stick with bf1 tunngle until we can find a better solution.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 04:34:42 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
Anyway I can  play online WITHOUT tungle?
IF I can port forward using my ipod and IF it works then yes. With me... Muhahahaha!!!!
Quote from: jdee-barc on November 12, 2012, 04:32:31 PM
BF2 is another thing to look into alongside this, perhaps for multiplayer events. That game still has its servers up and runming as of yesterday.
Then we would be betraying everything we believe in!  :P
Maybe if you guys ( since I'm not gonna be able to do that ) make a SWBFI mod where EVERYTHING is exactly the same as in SWBFI but in SWBFII then you could play that way. And the conversion pack for SWBFII takes like 9 hours to d/l so this would be an easier way.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 04:35:21 PM
Quote from: Josh on November 12, 2012, 04:31:43 PM
Anyway I can  play online WITHOUT tungle?

Use gameranger.  It is much more user friendly.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 12, 2012, 04:41:14 PM
Quote from: jdee-barc on November 12, 2012, 04:32:31 PM
BF2 is another thing to look into alongside this, perhaps for multiplayer events. That game still has its servers up and runming as of yesterday.

I agree. If LucasArts is not going to solve this, I probably will consider Tunngle, or SWBF2. Although I have only played for 2 years, I'm not die-hard enough to be a SWBF1 player, I more-so consider myself a "Battlefrontian", since I own both games and play them. So, there is a likely chance I will move on to SWBF2 if the issue isn't resolved, rather than use Tunngle or GameRanger.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: «ΙΞ¢KØ» on November 12, 2012, 04:43:03 PM
i have game ranger and i really like using it
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on November 12, 2012, 04:41:14 PM
I agree. If LucasArts is not going to solve this, I probably will consider Tunngle, or SWBF2. Although I have only played for 2 years, I'm not die-hard enough to be a SWBF1 player, I more-so consider myself a "Battlefrontian", since I own both games and play them. So, there is a likely chance I will move on to SWBF2 if the issue isn't resolved, rather than use Tunngle or GameRanger.

The same thing that happened to us will happen to SWBF2, it is just a matter of time.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Helios on November 12, 2012, 04:53:26 PM
VLAN Servers are great, little to no lag for me.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 12, 2012, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: Buckler on November 12, 2012, 04:52:19 PM
The same thing that happened to us will happen to SWBF2, it is just a matter of time.

Well, then I guess I will either be forced to use Tunngle or GameRanger, or I will be forced to play SWBF: Elite Squadron on my DS Lite.  :XD:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 12, 2012, 04:54:32 PM
Lets hope led.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {YAK}{212}Col{COM} Johnis on November 12, 2012, 07:09:13 PM
What happens to the players (like me) who can't download tunngle because their stupid PC.I love battlefront as much as the next guy but if my PC doesn't suport tunggle i'm  :censored: out of luck.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 12, 2012, 07:10:46 PM
Quote from: JohnisofLU on November 12, 2012, 07:09:13 PM
What happens to the players (like me) who can't download tunngle because their stupid PC.I love battlefront as much as the next guy but if my PC doesn't suport tunggle i'm  :censored: out of luck.

Get gameranger.  It seems to be an easier solution.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {TcF}Dr.Penguin on November 12, 2012, 07:30:30 PM
Yes, all the tunngle outcasts can join me on Game ranger >:D
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Kit Fisto on November 12, 2012, 09:28:05 PM
I might be able to join you on GR but the thing is, it won't let me download the windows version of GR. It automatically puts me to the Mac d/l page!  :wacko:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Droideka on November 12, 2012, 09:30:48 PM
Quote from: {TcF}Dr.Penguin on November 12, 2012, 07:30:30 PM
Yes, all the tunngle outcasts can join me on Game ranger >:D
I can join you on Gameranger if I am online, just make sure to Xfire me if you're up for a game  :cheers:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Black Water on November 13, 2012, 03:37:02 AM
YayThats me penguin Ecko Johnisoflu in gamerangdr :D , message me if you wana play :P . Phobos would I have to drop out of tournament or could I do it in gameranger,  tunngle won't work :'-(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 13, 2012, 05:05:13 AM
Like I said, if worse does come to worse, I will either end up using Tunngle, or move to SWBF2. If SWBF2 shuts down, I will just play solo on SWBF: Elite Squadron. :P
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: JediKB on November 13, 2012, 06:15:28 AM
Thanks for all the info, this is sad, since I think a lot of us prefer SWBF over SWBF2.
If they just had released it on Steam we would have had more players.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Carbon27 on November 13, 2012, 06:25:53 AM
Gamespy doesnt care how many players are playing, it costs money to keep servers up, money they refuse to spend more of.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 13, 2012, 06:42:08 AM
Quote from: Josh on November 13, 2012, 06:25:53 AM
Gamespy doesnt care how many players are playing, it costs money to keep servers up, money they refuse to spend more of.

Josh, Gamepsy had a contract with LucasArts.  It expired.  LucasArts is not interesting in renewing it.  Let's keep the proper perspective on this.  We still have other options for multiplayer SWBF.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: JediKB on November 13, 2012, 07:20:22 AM
What service did Gamespy actually deliver?
Dedicated players rent servers at different companies. Gamespy put those servers in the server list?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 13, 2012, 07:25:58 AM
They provided a master server service that tied all the servers together in the in-game lobby.

Without the master server, the game tries to conect to something that isn't there, so it displays nothing, even though there may be plenty of servers, there is no way for the game to find them.

They also handled a player id service.

Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: JediKB on November 13, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Thx Tirpider,

Any idea how the costs for a master server compare to renting a game server.
The community has always provided the servers. I hope they'll just set up a new master server.
The player id service is hardly important luckily.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {212th} Ldr. Norris on November 13, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
I've played SWBF1 on and off for the past 8 years. Like Phobos I do not care for SWBF2. Even if there is only one other person on tunngle you bet I'll be playing. I have tunngle and game ranger so if anyone wants to play just xfire me  :D this game will still survive but it will not thrive. The best option is to spread the word about Tunngle and GR and stop whining about gamespy did this and LA didn't do that and just play with what we have. There is still loads of fun to be had just with a smaller community.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 13, 2012, 08:57:25 AM
Quote from: JediKB on November 13, 2012, 07:53:55 AM
Thx Tirpider,

Any idea how the costs for a master server compare to renting a game server.
The community has always provided the servers. I hope they'll just set up a new master server.
The player id service is hardly important luckily.
Hi JediKB, good to see you here.

Gamespy has a website that shows their costs:
http://www.poweredbygamespy.com/pricing/

I don't think it would cost that much.  The problem is communicating to LuscasArts that we want to pay for it and getting them to agree to it.  Any ideas about that?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 13, 2012, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: Buckler on November 13, 2012, 08:57:25 AM
I don't think it would cost that much.  The problem is communicating to LuscasArts that we want to pay for it and getting them to agree to it.  Any ideas about that?

We might have to try sending physical letters requesting this. I can't find an email but here is their company address
http://www.lucasarts.com/company/contact/

Mailing Address
LucasArts
P.O. Box 29908
San Francisco, CA 94129-0908

Perhaps if enough people send letters asking them to let the swbfgamers community pay for hosting the master server they will agree. It might not work but it's definitely worth a shot. I'm not going to throw in the towel and 'accept it' until we have tried every practical option we possibly can.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Droideka on November 13, 2012, 09:40:48 AM
Quote from: {212} =-Norris-= on November 13, 2012, 08:45:51 AM
I've played SWBF1 on and off for the past 8 years. Like Phobos I do not care for SWBF2. Even if there is only one other person on tunngle you bet I'll be playing. I have tunngle and game ranger so if anyone wants to play just xfire me  :D this game will still survive but it will not thrive. The best option is to spread the word about Tunngle and GR and stop whining about gamespy did this and LA didn't do that and just play with what we have. There is still loads of fun to be had just with a smaller community.
A million times this. We can still have a good community through Tunngle and Gameranger, last night we had 15 people on the PLA cloud city server for a good amount of time, and it was a weeknight. We can pull through this, we just need to think positively!  :D

Quote from: Phobos on November 13, 2012, 09:17:02 AM
Perhaps if enough people send letters asking them to let the swbfgamers community pay for hosting the master server they will agree. It might not work but it's definitely worth a shot. I'm not going to throw in the towel and 'accept it' until we have tried every practical option we possibly can.

I absolutely agree, looking at the gamespy server costs, it wouldn't even cost that much for the amount of players we have, so all we need is approval from LA. We will need to be relentless about this, and have every person in this community contact them about it, and let them know that we still play and love this game, and that we can take care of the servers from now on.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on November 13, 2012, 10:15:22 AM
I really hate being the one to keep breaking this news but I've been E-mailing someone in Gamespy and he says only the Publisher can get support for a game and that they have a $30,000 dollar sign on fee anyway.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 13, 2012, 10:16:49 AM
OK, that is a prohibitive amount.  Let's move on from Gamespy---it is a done deal.  Further posts about trying to ask to restart it will be locked :)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 13, 2012, 10:24:04 AM
$30,000 are you kidding?
There is no way it costs that much to host a master server for swbf even for 5 years. That is very bad news but thanks for digging deeper gdh
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: {212th} Ldr. Norris on November 13, 2012, 10:34:55 AM
Yeah Thanks Gdh for spreading the light.... or darkness i should say  :( but still worth knowing for sure if we can bring it back or not. If there is a way are chances are best now than a year from now.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Are§ on November 13, 2012, 11:39:46 AM
Well this is depressing...
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 14, 2012, 04:21:48 PM
Just for the fact of the server shutdown, I took the liberty of editing the SWBF Wikipedia page, go to gameplay, you will see my edit :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_Battlefront
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 06:49:33 PM
It's already been un-edited:
Quote. (Undid revision 523074654 by ___.___.__.___ (talk) -- happens often, and source for the info?)

I think the editor just want a verifiable citation.

Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 14, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
teancum edits it.  He basically owns it.  I find the wikis are not friendly to outsiders in general.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 14, 2012, 06:55:16 PM
Then why the heck do they promote it's the wiki that "anyone can edit"!?  >:(
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Ltin on November 14, 2012, 06:56:54 PM
Could this be because lucasarts is owned by disney now?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: SleepKiller on November 14, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
Quote from: Buckler on November 14, 2012, 06:51:12 PM
teancum edits it.  He basically owns it.  I find the wikis are not friendly to outsiders in general.
Bah idiots. I'm on it I know how Wikipedia works to some extent. I'll put it back.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 14, 2012, 07:00:09 PM
Quote from: SleepKiller on November 14, 2012, 06:57:47 PM
Bah idiots. I'm on it I know how Wikipedia works to some extent. I'll put it back.

Thank you, SK! :D
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: SleepKiller on November 14, 2012, 07:10:04 PM
It is done I didn't add your sentence in exactly I wrote my own. But it should stay there this time.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 14, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
Thanks, SK! :D
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 07:42:49 PM
Yey, wiki wars.... :/

Quote. . (23,360 bytes) (-176)‎ . . (Undid revision 523094184 by SleepKiller (talk) --forums cannot be used as sources per WP:RS. Also that forum doesn't specify whether this is permanent. It's likely just a server issue.)

I don't imagine he is going to budge on cited emails from multiple users either.

Might have to contact him directly or start a discussion or talk or whatever they call it on wiki.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Droideka on November 14, 2012, 07:45:33 PM
We didn't specify whether this was permanent? ... :blink:
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 14, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
Quote from: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 07:42:49 PM
Yey, wiki wars.... :/

I don't imagine he is going to budge on cited emails from multiple users either.

Might have to contact him directly or start a discussion or talk or whatever they call it on wiki.

The guys on GT are very knowledgeable.  The problem is, they think they know everything, even for games they don't play anymore :)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 07:52:02 PM
We aren't an official gamespy or LucasArts press release forum or representative, so us saying it's down basicly 3rd hand hearsay.

I can understand his perspective.

We need to find a link to a company statement that it's down now.

Which probably wont exist outside of the emails exchanged between the folks that contacted them.

Quote from: Buckler on November 14, 2012, 07:48:02 PM
The guys on GT are very knowledgeable.  The problem is, they think they know everything, even for games they don't play anymore :)

Yeah.. I wasn't going to say anything, but you are right.
Half of it's cited sources, the rest is all ego.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 14, 2012, 07:53:54 PM
Quote from: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 07:42:49 PM
Yey, wiki wars.... :/

I don't imagine he is going to budge on cited emails from multiple users either.

Might have to contact him directly or start a discussion or talk or whatever they call it on wiki.

So the wikipedia editor doesn't consider LucasArts Technical Support to be a source? maybe he wants to hear it from george lucas himself  :rofl:

QuoteHello,

Thank you for contacting LucasArts Technical Support

We are sorry to inform you that LucasArts' sponsored online server availability for Star Wars: Battlefront (PC) has reached end-of-life with GameSpy and has been retired at this time. Please note that users can still create multiplayer games using the additional Multiplayer options found in the game (LAN). We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

-LucasArts Staff
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: SleepKiller on November 14, 2012, 07:54:52 PM
Okay I'm going to let him do the edit or find out why he didn't do it after he deleted my edit. I gave him a link to the Gamespy Facebook page which has Gamespy state it several times in various comments, I don't know how to link to specific Facebook comments though. He appears to, so hopefully he will now make the change and we can all go our separate ways.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 14, 2012, 07:57:44 PM
YaY
An accord has been reached!
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Phobos on November 15, 2012, 09:55:50 AM
well its on wikipedia finally

(https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FjzeZe.png&hash=b96632f1782c8798392cac88497b78ebf2356fb9)
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Gold Man on November 15, 2012, 12:56:55 PM
And now the world will know, LucasArts and Gamespy are cheapscates! :P
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: RepComm on November 15, 2012, 02:01:03 PM
Lol, funny how TRUE it is....
Then again, its only funny if its true..
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Ltin on November 15, 2012, 06:00:55 PM
I'V been thinking... do the major gaming websites (Kotaku,1up, ign, etc) know about this? I havnt seen anything on it, and they might want to know. Anyone seen anything?
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: RepComm on November 15, 2012, 06:10:27 PM
No not that I know of.... I don't visit all of the websites you listed, but some yes.
No news.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: Led on November 15, 2012, 06:12:15 PM
IGN bought then sold gamespy.  they know.
Title: Re: Gamespydev response :(
Post by: tirpider on November 15, 2012, 06:34:32 PM
I think those sites are geared toward giving exposure to hot new titles, and  not watching the old titles fall and break hips.
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