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Title: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:16:22 PM


     I'm about to tell you guys the real truth why swbf is dead and the real reasons why people stopped playing this game. This thread is probably going to be locked or maybe even deleted because apparently the admins on this site don't want to hear other peoples real opinions and never heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH....what a great forum.

 edit by buckler:   we have a new policy on whining about specific players so I have deleted this section.  If you want to whine about me, that's fine, so I have left the rest.

     The other reason is Led and his whole posse. He thinks he is so dominate because he makes all the rules and servers for these little kids. Led was a great admin but these past couple years he just got to cocky. Ya I know you are reading this and you are probably mad but guess what....many other people say the same thing about you, deal with it life is hard. But seriously why in the world is there a video game run by one guy basically who makes all the rules up?? what??whaaatt??? After a long day of pimping women and making money, I come home to relax and play some swbf but I start playing and I'm like what the **** is this?? there's rules I have to follow?? no cussing allowed??? Does cussing kill people??? I thought video games was supposed to have freedom instead I see a guy banning people because they pushed him into the carbon freezing chamber to ruin his KD ratio because this game is soooo competitive.

    Anyways to sum things up this game basically sucks now, thanks to the people who ruined a great game and there is many more people out there who ruined it. But I did meet some cool people on here and you know who you are.


See you guys in Star Wars battlefront 3!
     

   
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Carbon27 on July 26, 2013, 04:29:28 PM
 Let me first say that I'm going to type this with an open mind.

Hmm...    I don't get where you are getting Led being cocky, so give me some examples. I believe the admins do delete more then they should, but I think why they delete some topics because they don't want arguments. I think led is a pretty powerful person, but I'm glad he is. And the fact that there is no cussing, that because It's wrong, and led wants everyone to join, not just older people. I see where you are coming from on some parts of the issue, but please, calm down about it.  :)

If you don't like the site, make your own site and make your own servers with your own rules.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
Quote from: Josh on July 26, 2013, 04:29:28 PM
Let me first say that I'm going to type this with an open mind.

Hmm...    I don't get where you are getting Led being cocky, so give me some examples. I believe the admins do delete more then they should, but I think why they delete some topics because they don't want arguments. I think led is a pretty powerful person, but I'm glad he is. And the fact that there is no cussing, that because It's wrong, and led wants everyone to join, not just older people. I see where you are coming from on some parts of the issue, but please, calm down about it.  :)

If you don't like the site, make your own site and make your own servers with your own rules.

lol I'm not trying to start drama its just my opinion nothing wrong with that but led is a good admin but he does ban people for stupid things
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: SleepKiller on July 26, 2013, 04:40:29 PM
Well you don't see this everyday. If you're going to have a go at someone, it is usually a good idea not to do it on their website.

Locked until Led decides if he wants to take any further action.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 06:46:59 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:16:22 PM


     I'm about to tell you guys the real truth why swbf is dead and the real reasons why people stopped playing this game. This thread is probably going to be locked or maybe even deleted because apparently the admins on this site don't want to hear other peoples real opinions and never heard of FREEDOM OF SPEECH....what a great forum.

1) Freedom of speech exists.  You are free to make your own website and spout all that you want.  I paid for this forum, however, and own this piece of virtual real estate, and so I make the rules here.  Those that think my rules are too restrictive don't have to be here.  It is really very simple.
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:16:22 PM

    SWBF was the greatest games I played in my life. It was fun owning 10 year olds hour after hour who were on testosterone booster who scared girls out of of the servers, like it was the first time talking to a female specimen in their life. Whatever it was entertaining. It was also fun to see people get mad because they thought I was using aimbot. Anyways getting to my point....this game was basically ruined by a lot of pathetic people.
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:16:22 PM

     The other reason is Led and his whole posse. He thinks he is so dominate because he makes all the rules and servers for these little kids. Led was a great admin but these past couple years he just got to cocky. Ya I know you are reading this and you are probably mad but guess what....many other people say the same thing about you, deal with it life is hard. But seriously why in the world is there a video game run by one guy basically who makes all the rules up?? what??whaaatt??? After a long day of pimping women and making money, I come home to relax and play some swbf but I start playing and I'm like what the **** is this?? there's rules I have to follow?? no cussing allowed??? Does cussing kill people??? I thought video games was supposed to have freedom instead I see a guy banning people because they pushed him into the carbon freezing chamber to ruin his KD ratio because this game is soooo competitive.


2) You are free to pay for your own server and make your own rules.  The PLA rules have been enforced since we opened our own servers in 2009.  If you don't like them, play on a different server.  I don't get the reference about the CFC.  If you are talking about me, this could not have happened any time recently.  I simply don't play SWBF as much any more.



Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:16:22 PM


    Anyways to sum things up this game basically sucks now, thanks to the people who ruined a great game and there is many more people out there who ruined it. But I did meet some cool people on here and you know who you are.
See you guys in Star Wars battlefront 3!   

Yes, I am also looking forward to the new SWBF.  PLA will have a server.  Want to guess what the rules will be?
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: {YAK}{212}Col{COM} Johnis on July 26, 2013, 07:03:49 PM
Just a guess No Cussing. Which i think is a good rule its just a game so there is no reason to get mad if you get killed alot just practice more. I think LED does a Great Job  :tu:
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
what i do not get is why players go to another servers, and bcuz they want, implant the rules from another clan servers.
It wouldn't be the first time i see a ''noob'' coming to TWA/UEF Server and saying, no cussing, cping is always allowed, etc., when these aint clan server rules, but they end by being banned bcuz of spamming their/other clan rules.
This is, at least for me, so annoying.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 04:34:51 PM
lol I'm not trying to start drama its just my opinion nothing wrong with that but led is a good admin but he does ban people for stupid things

There is a context to the rules that you are not understanding. 

I think you know that most PLA members have historically been older.  We also have had many PLA members that were very young.  Most kids of PLA members have also played SWBF, and the parents want a place that their kids can play in that doesn't subject their young kids to so much cursing and other things like that.

Unfortunately, the SWBF server software does not allow any filtering capability.  I suspect things will be different in this regard in the new SWBF.

In the section of your post that I was not able to keep in your public post (it is preserved, but just not in public), you talk about radar usage.  There are servers where this is encouraged, and there are servers where this is discouraged.  Just like cursing, I can not set up the server to automatically keep people from using radar.

Your argument then is really the same as the people that want to use radar in radar discouraging servers.  You want to do what you want, when you want.  But this infringes upon my right to run my server the way that I want, play SWBF the way that I want (on my own server).

The solution that the pro-radar group has come up with is to make their own server.  This would also work for you.  If I am alone in my server, then the remaining players of SWBF will have decided that they want to curse with you in your server, and there will be no one for me to apply any rules to.  And, I am OK with that.  :cheers:




Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:24:42 PM
Quote from: Banman on July 26, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
what i do not get is why players go to another servers, and bcuz they want, implant the rules from another clan servers.
It wouldn't be the first time i see a ''noob'' coming to TWA/UEF Server and saying, no cussing, cping is always allowed, etc., when these aint clan server rules, but they end by being banned bcuz of spamming their/other clan rules.
This is, at least for me, so annoying.

If you see any PLA doing that, let me know and I will talk to them.

I can assure you, there is also plenty of that in PLA servers too--no cps, no this, no that, etc--by people not in PLA that are just making things up.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: D4R|< $1D3 on July 26, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
Hmm No one get mad at me for my ungreatfull opinion is what i am calling it .. I agree with Babyeater . Do Not get mad at me Led ):
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Alphanoob on July 26, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Im with baby eater every time i tried to get on pla server she would boot me because i wasnt pla and every other pla said i can get on the server but no led allways booted me or banned me so pla led is a mean person like baby eater was talking about pla led = :rant:
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:30:35 PM
Quote from: Noob on July 26, 2013, 07:28:15 PM
Im with baby eater every time i tried to get on pla server she would boot me because i wasnt pla and every other pla said i can get on the server but no led allways booted me or banned me so pla led is a mean person like baby eater was talking about pla led = :rant:

If you got booted as soon as you entered the server, you have encountered a "boot bug".  The server has to be restarted for it to get fixed.  No one was booting you, it was an error in the server software.

And, if you were banned from a PLA server, I can assure you there was a reason.

Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: SirPimped on July 26, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
I don't see this game as dead. September will be the 10th year anniversary of this game and the fact that there are still servers up, people playing, and websites frequently used is pretty cool to me. I'll keep play SWBF as long as that's the case. Even after that's all gone I might even play single player from time to time. But I probably won't bother with SWBF3.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:34:12 PM
Quote from: ϟƘƦƖןןΣx on July 26, 2013, 07:26:56 PM
Hmm No one get mad at me for my ungreatfull opinion is what i am calling it .. I agree with Babyeater . Do Not get mad at me Led ):

And what part of his post exactly are you agreeing with?
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2013, 07:36:38 PM
Actually there were some PLAs that brough to Ententeich the PLA Server rules.
Do not ask  me who. I didnt take a pic or wrote it somewhere, but i know some PLAs did, and i wont lie, i insulted them bcuz it pissed me off.
Also ive tried to post this 3 times, but i got this message the whole time, lol:
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:42:00 PM
Quote from: Banman on July 26, 2013, 07:36:38 PM
Actually there were some PLAs that brough to Ententeich the PLA Server rules.
Do not ask  me who. I didnt take a pic or wrote it somewhere, but i know some PLAs did, and i wont lie, i insulted them bcuz it pissed me off.
Also ive tried to post this 3 times, but i got this message the whole time, lol:
Warning - while you were typing a new reply has been posted. You may wish to review your post.



I will also tell you that PLA has probably has the most faked members in the entirety of SWBF. 

So this tells me nothing, other than you just wanted to make a non-specific post about something that may or may not have happened by an actual PLA member.

Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2013, 07:44:06 PM
6lb bream ? wasnt he in pla ?
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 07:46:56 PM
So the whole gist of this topic is to gang up on Buckler/Led on his own forum?

Uh... What the?


I'm just going to point out the obvious here for those who lack the observance to see just that.

Now I haven't played SWBFI online since the "server purge" simply because I can't.

Anyways if Led was really banning people left and right on servers because you wouldn't follow rules or something, why can you still view this website? Why hasn't he blocked your IP because you spoke out against him? Why is this topic still open so that people can complain about Led at all? Why hasn't he locked it?

Just some of my observations.


Now onto my thoughts.
Personally, I like to play my games with rules. It's like playing any (real) sport and playing a team or a person who cheats. It's not fun. It's also not fun when you do something good for your team and the other team starts cussing and throwing a tantrum. I'm the same with my few games I play. I don't like cussing because it's immature. I don't care if you just finished middle school and it's cool to say bad words. It's still immature. Granted the majority of SWBFI players are teenagers who cuss more than anything else but it's still not right. Imagine that you are in a 5th grade class room and you start cussing up a storm. Will you feel good about yourself? This is more moral than game playing but it should apply anywhere in your life.

It's a star wars video game. Don't you guys think you are taking all of this stuff a little to far? I'm sure psyc0fred and the other developers would love to see this thread and think, those are the loyal SWBF fans who have played this game since 2004...
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
Quote from: Banman on July 26, 2013, 07:44:06 PM
6lb bream ? wasnt he in pla ?

Read what I wrote above.  If you want to discuss this particular issue any more, you can contact me by xfire or by PM.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:04:31 PM
Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 07:46:56 PM
So the whole gist of this topic is to gang up on Buckler/Led on his own forum?

Uh... What the?


I'm just going to point out the obvious here for those who lack the observance to see just that.

Now I haven't played SWBFI online since the "server purge" simply because I can't.

Anyways if Led was really banning people left and right on servers because you wouldn't follow rules or something, why can you still view this website? Why hasn't he blocked your IP because you spoke out against him? Why is this topic still open so that people can complain about Led at all? Why hasn't he locked it?

Just some of my observations.


Now onto my thoughts.
Personally, I like to play my games with rules. It's like playing any (real) sport and playing a team or a person who cheats. It's not fun. It's also not fun when you do something good for your team and the other team starts cussing and throwing a tantrum. I'm the same with my few games I play. I don't like cussing because it's immature. I don't care if you just finished middle school and it's cool to say bad words. It's still immature. Granted the majority of SWBFI players are teenagers who cuss more than anything else but it's still not right. Imagine that you are in a 5th grade class room and you start cussing up a storm. Will you feel good about yourself? This is more moral than game playing but it should apply anywhere in your life.

It's a star wars video game. Don't you guys think you are taking all of this stuff a little to far? I'm sure psyc0fred and the other developers would love to see this thread and think, those are the loyal SWBF fans who have played this game since 2004...

I wasn't picking on led at all. He just edited my post to seem like I was. He just wanted this to be about him and leave the most important thing out.
If you haven't opened your eyes and looked at our society 80% of 12 year olds cuss these days so I have no idea where you were getting with your point.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:04:31 PM
If you haven't opened your eyes and looked at our society 80% of 12 year olds cuss these days so I have no idea where you were getting with your point.
I thought I was pretty clear but my point is that cussing is immature. I'm not sure adults will disagree. You realize that you too will be an adult one day and that means you have to be mature!  :ohmy: Shocker!
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:10:44 PM
I thought I was pretty clear but my point is that cussing is immature. I'm not sure adults will disagree. You realize that you too will be an adult one day and that means you have to be mature!  :ohmy: Shocker!
Pretty sure I'm allowed to cuss if I'm legally allowed to watch rated R movies.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:04:31 PM
I wasn't picking on led at all. He just edited my post to seem like I was. He just wanted this to be about him and leave the most important thing out.
If you haven't opened your eyes and looked at our society 80% of 12 year olds cuss these days so I have no idea where you were getting with your point.

The only thing I edited was your rant about radar and a particular other person in SWBF.

You know the point.  Make your own server.  You can invite all the cussing 12 year olds.  Please.  Encourage them to stay off PLA servers.  The PLA servers are for the remaining 20%.

Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 08:18:47 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:17:20 PM

Pretty sure I'm allowed to cuss if I'm legally allowed to watch rated R movies.

You can cuss all you want.  But not without consequence if I catch it happening in my servers.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:23:57 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:17:20 PM
Pretty sure I'm allowed to cuss if I'm legally allowed to watch rated R movies.
Your not getting my point. I was saying that cussing is immature.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
I also like how everyone blames kishan for swbf dying without looking at led. Kishan actually helped swbf and a lot of people are ignorant and people like led like to hold grudges with people who are threaten his authority.

Have you have wondered why nobody has skill in your server?because you ban all the good players.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
I also like how everyone blames kishan for swbf dying without looking at led. Kishan actually helped swbf and a lot of people are ignorant and people like led like to hold grudges with people who are threaten his authority.

Have you have wondered why nobody has skill in your server?because you ban all the good players.

Kishan is the only one that is banned.  And it is not like that has ever kept him out of the server.  People play where they want to play.  Spend some money--make your own server, and get all the good people back.  I might even join it so that I can get owned by all those good players.

Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:33:14 PM
Quote from: Buckler on July 26, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
Kishan is the only one that is banned.  And it is not like that has ever kept him out of the server.  People play where they want to play.  Spend some money--make your own server, and get all the good people back.  I might even join it so that I can get owned by all those good players.
Sorry but I don't want to waist my money on a dead game and if you haven't realized there's like 8 different PLA servers what other choice do I have?
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2013, 08:34:20 PM
Quote from: Buckler on July 26, 2013, 08:29:54 PM
get all the good people back.  I might even join it so that I can get owned by all those good players.
Old TWA Server is down, just saying. EvO clan is out, like TWA, Fire, No, ...
still remember those great evenings there U_U
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 08:36:30 PM
I'm honestly surprised this is still here.

You can talk the good talk about freedom of speech, ect, but the truth of the matter is this particular forum is not public property. It is a privately run forum.

Anything said here is like being invited into the owner's house and saying it there.
I speculate that Buckler wanted to let you have your say and attempt to address some of your contention. That's a credit to his patience.  If it were my house, I would have tossed this right out on it's ear.

Keep it simple man.  If you do not like the rules (which are designed to foster civility across the widest audience) then don't participate.  You can find a happy home in some other forum/server/game that fits your ideas about freedom and fun.  You can even start your own.  But busting into a room where folks are talking and declaring it oppressive and dead while everyone just turns to look at you then going back to their conversations? That must feel awkward.

As for SWBF being dead.. well, ok then.  It seems to be functioning perfectly fine on my end and daily posts seem to indicate some kind of life happening.  Perhaps it was just the bad parts that died and all that's left is a small group of communities (yep, plural because we aren't the only active SWBF board) continuing on like nothing happened because that dead part wont be missed.

Just my 2 cents.. I still have a problem with troll feeding, sorry all.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
Well said Tirpider. People like you are why I haven't left SWBFI completely.


EDIT: Oh and what's this constant talk about having "skill" at SWBFI? I though intense people like that were reserved for the modern shooters. I always thought SWBFI online was so great because no one cared if they were good or bad. They just had fun. Maybe the online community (excluding modding communities) has changed dramatically since the server purge.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 08:41:19 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:33:14 PM

Sorry but I don't want to waist my money on a dead game and if you haven't realized there's like 8 different PLA servers what other choice do I have?

It is very easy to host from home now.  Much easier to do that with tunngle than with gamespy.  So your choice is to host your own server.  We have helpful guides right here on this very website.

I have also made servers for other clans, and they can do what they want.  If someone from WUSI asks me, I might even make a server for WUSI. 

But if you make your own server, you can even ban me!

Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Quote from: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 08:36:30 PM
I'm honestly surprised this is still here.

You can talk the good talk about freedom of speech, ect, but the truth of the matter is this particular forum is not public property. It is a privately run forum.

Anything said here is like being invited into the owner's house and saying it there.
I speculate that Buckler wanted to let you have your say and attempt to address some of your contention. That's a credit to his patience.  If it were my house, I would have tossed this right out on it's ear.

Keep it simple man.  If you do not like the rules (which are designed to foster civility across the widest audience) then don't participate.  You can find a happy home in some other forum/server/game that fits your ideas about freedom and fun.  You can even start your own.  But busting into a room where folks are talking and declaring it oppressive and dead while everyone just turns to look at you then going back to their conversations? That must feel awkward.

As for SWBF being dead.. well, ok then.  It seems to be functioning perfectly fine on my end and daily posts seem to indicate some kind of life happening.  Perhaps it was just the bad parts that died and all that's left is a small group of communities (yep, plural because we aren't the only active SWBF board) continuing on like nothing happened because that dead part wont be missed.

Just my 2 cents.. I still have a problem with troll feeding, sorry all.

Why do I have to keep repeating myself in this thread? My original post wasn't all about led. He edited it so it would be about him lol and I would be happy to go to another server but there one problem....what other server? all I see is empty PLA servers because he banned everyone. hmmmm...I wonder why?
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 08:58:57 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:47:35 PM
Why do I have to keep repeating myself in this thread? My original post wasn't all about led.

I read your original post. I reported it as insulting, nonproductive and not relevant to anything.

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:47:35 PMwhat other server?

The one you start?
It doesn't cost money to run a dedicated server. (it never has unless you want more player slots)

Other than getting the word out about the truth-as-you-see-it, is there something you want to accomplish?
As stated above, there are threads discussing the details about starting a SWBF server on-site, and the way this is going, I am willing to bet everyone will be more than happy to answer any questions you may have about this.

If you go that route, I'd like to volunteer to be on the ban list with Buckler. I'd wear it as a badge of honor.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: BlackScorpion on July 26, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
This thread is now about the MLB.
Discuss.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:07:36 PM
Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
Well said Tirpider. People like you are why I haven't left SWBFI completely.


EDIT: Oh and what's this constant talk about having "skill" at SWBFI? I though intense people like that were reserved for the modern shooters. I always thought SWBFI online was so great because no one cared if they were good or bad. They just had fun. Maybe the online community (excluding modding communities) has changed dramatically since the server purge.

Nice trolling but here's a news flash dude, the majority of the core members of swbf were/are all competitive and strive to become great players. You think people play 9 years just for fun? Why would anybody play forever? I don't think they would have played for 9 years if they weren't trying to get good at the game. Skilled players kept the game fun and all the most active clans except for PLA were competitive.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 09:10:03 PM
Quote from: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 08:36:30 PM


You can talk the good talk about freedom of speech, ect, but the truth of the matter is this particular forum is not public property. It is a privately run forum.



I once had a player tell me he was going to get a lawyer because I violated his right to free speech (cursing) on my server.

I always imagined that the conversation would go something like this:


Lawyer = Blue
player = black


Welcome to my office...Mr...oh, I see it, Mr. DarthNoobSlayer.  Please have a seat.  What can I do for you?


I feel my constitutional right to free speech has been violated.


Oh!  That is very serious.  Our nation is founded on the constitution.  Please explain.


I was banned by {PLA} Led.


Oh, banning sounds terrible.  Did this involve a physical altercation on public property?


Well, no, I was playing this game called StarWars Battlefront, and I let loose with some expletives in the game server--I mean, this noob came up behind me and shot me, so I was justified and all--and {PLA} Led banned me.

Oh, that does sound terrible.  How can we reach this {PLA} Led?

Well, he plays the game from about 7 PM to 9 PM central time.

Is that his real name, Mr. DarthNoobSlayer?  

Well, no.

And you were in his private game server?

Yes.

And he made you aware of the rules?

Yes.

And the server is private property?

Yes.

And did this Mr. {PLA} Led keep you from cursing out loud at your own home?  Or did he keep you from making your own server so that you could curse all you want in it?


No.  I want to curse in his server.

I'm sorry Mr. DarthNoobSlayer, we don't have a constitutional case here.

But have you ever been in an auto accident with a big rig?.....













Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Phobos on July 26, 2013, 09:11:35 PM
Although I have not read every post yet here, I agree and disagree with many points in this thread, but I do not believe that SWBF is dead. I think it is dying, and the fact the remaining players can't seem to get along or agree on things means it is dying even faster.

The main blow to our community was when gamespy shut down MP servers. What clan servers are left, FC, PLA, UEF, etc. all have completely different set of standards for their players. There are several reasons I stopped playing in the PLA sever completely, points some of you may have brought up which I don't need to emphasize. However I will mention a historical fact, that PLA never banned people for using radar until gamespy shut down. Establishing this rule prior to the shut down would have likely resulted in a greater acceptance ratio of this new rule by the rest of this community, IMO. But it is Leds choice to enforce any rule he wants in his servers.

So yes this game is close to dead, but not all the way there yet. I am glad that several modders are staying though, despite the seemingly never-ending clan drama.

Quote from: Banman on July 26, 2013, 07:09:14 PM
what i do not get is why players go to another servers, and bcuz they want, implant the rules from another clan servers.
It wouldn't be the first time i see a ''noob'' coming to TWA/UEF Server and saying, no cussing, cping is always allowed, etc., when these aint clan server rules, but they end by being banned bcuz of spamming their/other clan rules.
This is, at least for me, so annoying.
This is something we actually agree on, I do not like how players use to join FC server, complain about the fair sides, complain about no CPs, complain about radar, etc. The mods we want are forced in our server, complaining won't change them.

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 08:24:53 PM
I also like how everyone blames kishan for swbf dying without looking at led. Kishan actually helped swbf and a lot of people are ignorant and people like led like to hold grudges with people who are threaten his authority.

Have you have wondered why nobody has skill in your server?because you ban all the good players.
I've noticed at least one person willing to blame every major contributor to the swbf community of being guilty for the game having died. But if you will look at all the positive and negative actions of such players, you will find almost all of them have contributed far more than they have taken away.

Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 08:38:51 PM
EDIT: Oh and what's this constant talk about having "skill" at SWBFI? I though intense people like that were reserved for the modern shooters. I always thought SWBFI online was so great because no one cared if they were good or bad. They just had fun. Maybe the online community (excluding modding communities) has changed dramatically since the server purge.
You really would have had to been playing multiplayer for several months or years before gamespy shut down MP, to understand what players mean by "SWBF1 MP Skill". Most people who play this game online do not play for fun I've noticed, but to compete.

Quote from: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
I've been playing for years and as anyone here can tell you.. I'm bad.. really really bad and am totally not in a clan.
Probably because I have zero skills.
Too much drama. (
Well, you might have the advantage still. It may be better to be unskilled and not be targeted/trolled consistently by noobs, than to be skilled and continually harassed for it. There is just a point where you say "enough" and have to set limits for who can access your server.

Quote from: Buckler on July 26, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
The solution that the pro-radar group has come up with is to make their own server.  This would also work for you.  If I am alone in my server, then the remaining players of SWBF will have decided that they want to curse with you in your server, and there will be no one for me to apply any rules to.  And, I am OK with that.  :cheers:
I have modded [FC] servers to the point where I find them enjoyable even with no other players, and in my opinion, more enjoyable than other servers that have players. So I am OK with having to use a password to keep out the hostility. I am ok with the fact less people play this game, because the people I do play with now, are not causing drama in the FC servers.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:07:36 PM
Nice trolling but here's a news flash dude, the majority of the core members of swbf were/are all competitive and strive to become great players. You think people play 9 years just for fun? Why would anybody play forever? I don't think they would have played for 9 years if they weren't trying to get good at the game. Skilled players kept the game fun and all the most active clans except for PLA were competitive.

Not directed at me, I know, but.. the troll feeding has begun...

I've been playing for years and as anyone here can tell you.. I'm bad.. really really bad and am totally not in a clan.
Probably because I have zero skills.
Too much drama. (Though this bit of drama is kinda fun.)

Could I join your clan? Would I be a core member of a majority then?
It's important because I want to be part of something bigger than myself and need to swear while doing it.
But I want to be banned from all your servers. Will that be a problem?

-edit lol Buckler
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Quote from: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 09:20:42 PM
Not directed at me, I know, but.. the troll feeding has begun...

I've been playing for years and as anyone here can tell you.. I'm bad.. really really bad and am totally not in a clan.
Probably because I have zero skills.
Too much drama. (Though this bit of drama is kinda fun.)

Could I join your clan? Would I be a core member of a majority then?
It's important because I want to be part of something bigger than myself and need to swear while doing it.
But I want to be banned from all your servers. Will that be a problem?

-edit lol Buckler

Sure bro, you can even buy your own wusi badge too.

and led technically I'm not on your property because my physical body isn't in your server.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Phobos on July 26, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
and led technically I'm not on your property because my physical body isn't in your server.
a little bit off topic but this reminded me of a news article i read where someone spent $330,000 real cash just to own virtual property.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/02/man-buys-virtual-space-station-for-330k-real-dollars/
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 09:45:32 PM
Nice lawyer conversation Led. :hehe:



So you guys are saying that you don't play to have fun, but you play to win. So what, do you show your stats to your respective partner or something and you get dinner?


Quote from: BlackScorpion on July 26, 2013, 09:07:13 PM
This thread is now about the MLB.
Discuss.
Nice try, but this is a serious issue! Notice the site is having more activity than the entire last 2 weeks? :P
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:53:37 PM
Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 26, 2013, 09:45:32 PM
Nice lawyer conversation Led. :hehe:



So you guys are saying that you don't play to have fun, but you play to win. So what, do you show your stats to your respective partner or something and you get dinner?

Nice try, but this is a serious issue! Notice the site is having more activity than the entire last 2 weeks? :P

Skill isn't always about stats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyfoAoh35Lw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: tirpider on July 26, 2013, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Sure bro, you can even buy your own wusi badge too.
I don't have any money for badges.  Will the pit-stain on an old t-shirt work?
Seriously, I don't want to join a clan. I have nothing to contribute competitively (game skills or otherwise.)

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
and led technically I'm not on your property because my physical body isn't in your server.
Ah, but the posts are, you see. So you do understand the concept of public and private spaces. Good. There should be no more problems then.


Quote from: Phobos on July 26, 2013, 09:45:20 PM
a little bit off topic but this reminded me of a news article i read where someone spent $330,000 real cash just to own virtual property.
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/01/02/man-buys-virtual-space-station-for-330k-real-dollars/
HAHAHA. Like that poor fellow that spent several thousand dollars for some in-game battleship that was destroyed moments into the game.  I felt bad for the guy.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 09:57:16 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 09:37:35 PM
Sure bro, you can even buy your own wusi badge too.

and led technically I'm not on your property because my physical body isn't in your server.

Anyone that has ever been caught hacking a computer system would disagree with you.  Technically.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 10:12:34 PM
ya you're right tirpider but I was talking about game servers but technically there are no rules in this forum because led broke like 5 of them in this thread.
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: SirPimped on July 26, 2013, 10:15:21 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 10:12:34 PM
ya you're right tirpider but I was talking about game servers but technically there are no rules in this forum because led broke like 5 of them in this thread.

THERE'S NO RULES

[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxiSe4iwwGE[/spoiler]
Title: Re: The real truth why SWBF died
Post by: Led on July 26, 2013, 10:15:25 PM
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 26, 2013, 10:12:34 PM
ya you're right tirpider but I was talking about game servers but technically there are no rules in this forum because led broke like 5 of them in this thread.

Alright, I think this one has run its course.  I will lock this now.

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