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Hey guys, figured I'd throw this up in the air for discussion. If you hadn't read the Merry Christmas post already, I stated that I got The Clone Wars Seasons 1-5 on DVD (Collector's Edition). I just now took a look back at some of the episodes that I've gotten foggy on (mostly the ones about politics and Ziro the Hutt), and it made me think: "It's been nearly 9 months since The Clone Wars aired, I wonder what people still think of it?". So, I figured I'd ask yas all! :P

Anyways, what are your thoughts on The Clone Wars as a whole? Complete from Seasons 1-5, not specific episodes or anything (though feel free to pick some out and discuss them). Since I've created the topic, I'l go first:

Overall, I really liked and still like The Clone Wars. It's been a good journey, from 2008-2013/14 (still waiting for Season 6 arcs to be released), I really thought it was a good ride in my favourite era of Star Wars. Sure chunks of Star Wars canon were rewritten throughout the series, but they pulled strings when they needed to fit the arcs in harmony. Although it wasn't necessarily displayed in a chronological order (they hopped here and there in the seasons), it was nice to see how some of the events unfolded in the earlier seasons. :)

In conclusion, I thought Star Wars: The Clone Wars was a really good series. Now let's see how Star Wars: Rebels does in comparison. ;) (And yes, I do plan to watch Star Wars: Rebels.)

Post your thoughts on the Star Wars: The Clone Wars series!

I have bought all seasons on iTunes and thanks to how iCloud works I can watch any episode I want at any time on either my Apple TV or my iPhone without having the actual episode stored anywhere! So because of that I watch episodes regularly. I love the show and it grew on me. I particularly love the second half of season 3 all the way to season 5.

That Ashoka arc at the end of Season 5 is by far my favorite and looks great in 1080p. I guess I'll talk about that episode arc. At first I hated Ashoka because I was that fan who thought "Anakin never had a padawan! What's this! Are they trying to ruin Star Wars?!" And unknowingly I began to like her character. By the time I saw the last episodes of the show I realized, I love here character! She grew on my subconsciously. The arc shows how far the Jedi Order has fallen in terms of values (Bariss was right but approached the problem the wrong way) and what they hold dear. It shows the beginnings of the Palpatine's military dictatorship and foreshadows Order 66. Plus the music in that episode is very moving. I can go on and on but that is my favorite arc.


So GM (since it will probably be only you and I in this discussion) what was your least favorite episode/arc?

Overall I enjoyed the series. I hated the arc with Darth Maul though. Bringing him back feels like a huge stain upon Star Wars history. For crying out loud he was cut in half and fell into a reactor. It was cool that his brother appeared but otherwise I would remove that arc from the series completely. I can't wait to watch the sixth season.

I liked it! It had some problems in the first few seasons but it definatley improved the over quality as time went by.
My favorite episode was that one when they first introduced those commando droids and they tried to take control of that clone servalence outpost. There was a part in that episode where it zoomed into a third person angle for Captian rex and it seemed a lot like a gentle nod to the battlefront series, at least in my opinion thats why they did it that way.

I may watch this show on tv now, so I can check if I missing some episodes on YouTube. Overall, it was fun show, which making StarWars universe bigger anyway, even if it have some childish episodes. Still, the only thing, I do not like - those cartoonish design style. Seems creators, in some reason, specialy decrease quality of 3D models :confused:. Perhaps it's modern fashion or something...
The favorite episodes... perhaps, Umbara and Mandalore story, was most epic.

Quote from: St. Nick Fisto on December 24, 2013, 06:35:08 PM
I have bought all seasons on iTunes and thanks to how iCloud works I can watch any episode I want at any time on either my Apple TV or my iPhone without having the actual episode stored anywhere! So because of that I watch episodes regularly. I love the show and it grew on me. I particularly love the second half of season 3 all the way to season 5.

That Ashoka arc at the end of Season 5 is by far my favorite and looks great in 1080p. I guess I'll talk about that episode arc. At first I hated Ashoka because I was that fan who thought "Anakin never had a padawan! What's this! Are they trying to ruin Star Wars?!" And unknowingly I began to like her character. By the time I saw the last episodes of the show I realized, I love here character! She grew on my subconsciously. The arc shows how far the Jedi Order has fallen in terms of values (Bariss was right but approached the problem the wrong way) and what they hold dear. It shows the beginnings of the Palpatine's military dictatorship and foreshadows Order 66. Plus the music in that episode is very moving. I can go on and on but that is my favorite arc.


So GM (since it will probably be only you and I in this discussion) what was your least favorite episode/arc?

I envy you for having all the episodes on iTunes and in iCloud no less. :(

Ahsoka was actually THE character that drove me into Star Wars: The Clone Wars! Something about her just drove me into the series, not quite sure what though. Now that you mention how the whole ending arc of Season 5 went, I see what you mean. An arcane society straying from it's previously held beliefs and traits. If anything though, I really liked how they tied the ending forwards to Episode III. Ahsoka's departure though was a bit heart-wrenching for me, but I guess it's better she left than be killed.

Note about Ahsoka:
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It's rumored she may appear in Star Wars: Rebels as well, based off leaked photos of the toyline to go with the series. She may also appear with Obi-Wan in the series, which will dramatically mess up canon in the Empire era. As you can tell though, Ahsoka's return is possibly the main reason why I'm excited to see Star Wars: Rebels! :D
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As far as arcs go, D-Squad (just to be sure, DROID SQUAD, NOT DOMINO SQUAD), was my least favourite arc. It was too bland and distasteful for my liking, especially with the art movement being plain white in the 2nd part of the arc. The only thing I liked about the arc was the clone commando, and THE only thing I liked about that arc. The rest of it was far too childish for the way Season 5 was moving.

Worst episode however, was that one where R2 and 3PO are jumping across planets and whatnot, hated that one. It was just a pointless filler episode! Did nothing to the storyline whatsoever. :rant:

Now, BEST arc for me would've been... I gotta say it's a three-way tie between the whole Domino Squad arc, the Geonosis arc (with Brain Invaders included), and the Blue Shadow Virus arc. Domino Squad because, well it just showed brotherly love and stuff, and how we see the clones have souls too. Geonosis though actually comes out on top as favourite arc though, the whole Geonosian brain worm idea was pretty epic I thought. Blue Shadow Virus was also a pretty good arc too. Not sure why I liked it though, might've been because I admire those epidemic/near-death type episodes.

Out of personal opinion though, Mortis was an awkward arc I'l say that. It was cool to see Ahsoka evil, but the whole Light, Dark, and Father beings just made it look out of place. Like a random event during the Clone Wars on a different planet.

Quote from: Roxas on December 24, 2013, 06:40:38 PM
Overall I enjoyed the series. I hated the arc with Darth Maul though. Bringing him back feels like a huge stain upon Star Wars history. For crying out loud he was cut in half and fell into a reactor. It was cool that his brother appeared but otherwise I would remove that arc from the series completely. I can't wait to watch the sixth season.

I think brining hi back expanded his character and now I like him a lot more than before TCW. It shows that he is a real Sith not just Palpatine's failed apprentice.

Yea GM, droid arc is bad. The only good part, like you said is the commando guy.
Where are these pictures you see? Cause there is a guy on tumblr who creates TCW style characters with the "Rebels" logo.

The Mortis arc is awesome if you look back at it. It involves a lot more of the philosophical aspects of the force.

Ya know what game I just started playing that is super fun is Lego Star Wars The Clone Wars! It is extremely fun (like any Lego game) and it's a must play for any TCW fan. Just saying. ;)

What do you guys think about Ventress's character development?
I loved it and I really like her character better than before when she was just a Sith wannabee.

Quote from: St. Nick Fisto on December 25, 2013, 05:12:45 PM
I think brining hi back expanded his character and now I like him a lot more than before TCW. It shows that he is a real Sith not just Palpatine's failed apprentice.

Yea GM, droid arc is bad. The only good part, like you said is the commando guy.
Where are these pictures you see? Cause there is a guy on tumblr who creates TCW style characters with the "Rebels" logo.

The Mortis arc is awesome if you look back at it. It involves a lot more of the philosophical aspects of the force.

Ya know what game I just started playing that is super fun is Lego Star Wars The Clone Wars! It is extremely fun (like any Lego game) and it's a must play for any TCW fan. Just saying. ;)

What do you guys think about Ventress's character development?
I loved it and I really like her character better than before when she was just a Sith wannabee.

I've seen them over the internet. I actually looked over them again, and I think they might be false. However, Dave Filoni has stated Ahsoka might appear in Star Wars: Rebels. Also, these were of the Star Wars: Rebels toyline. If you have found those toyline images linked to the tumblr, then I guess they are also fake. In any case though, I'd love to see Ahsoka in that series as well. Since her fate isn't decided by the movies, it makes a highly likely chance she may be added to the series. Plus, she's no longer a Jedi, so she might be out working as a smuggler or something, possibly with Lux Bonteri? :D

I'l admit, Mortis gives more philosophical background to The Force, but that's just about it. The whole concept of it occurring randomly just rubs me the wrong way I guess. :confused:

Also, I got Lego Star Wars: The Clone Wars for Wii! I played through the whole thing (also used a crap ton of cheatcodes :)), and LOVED IT! I still can't get over the Z-6 rotary cannon, love firing that thing. Just wished it had the Level Creator that Indiana Jones 2 and other games had. :(

As far as Ventress, she wasn't exactly one of the characters I paid much attention to. She was interesting as a Sith Acolyte, I'l give her that. But I guess when I think of her, I think back to that old, vengeful woman from the original Clone Wars series. In any case, Ventress' character progression was an interesting ride, and it felt more a goth girl-type of tale, except with witches. :P

In any case though, I hope Star Wars: Rebels turns out just as good (if not perhaps better) than The Clone Wars! They have lots of material to work with from Revenge of The Sith, to A New Hope, approximately 20 years of a timespan to work with. More than enough to stage the Rebel Alliance, plan a few battles, perhaps even feature Galen Marek in a few of the episodes. ;)

Incoming opinions!
Yup gonna upset you fanatics.

Holistically I did not like TCW. I understand that I am not the target audience.
Perhaps the immaturity and episodic delivery of morals would better suit me were I less cynical.
Potentially the series could have done a lot more to clean the mess created by the prequels.
It began to do so in the final series finally showing some realistic cause of Anakins' darkness and the negative public mood regarding the Jedi.
Yes I know this sort of thing might be fleshed out in novelisations, video games and whatever but the series itself seemed to forget about addressing context until the final moments.

Though the effects were enjoyable I was not utterly convinced with the art style. I understand they were trying to emulate Mcquarie, but even the dirt was clean… if you get what I mean? It got better over the development of the series.

I did enjoy the last series slightly more than the others, it is a redeeming feature.
I almost cared and was mildly invested in some plot points. Unfortunately arcs such as the one with Darth Maul and all that tosh with the robots threw me off.
Darth Maul generally was just daft.
The suspension of disbelief was ruined when he was introduced as a spider-monster hiding in junkplanet. The reasoning for his usage was simply to sell more Darth Maul toys and give Obi Wan something to do.
If anything the protagonists Obi Wan and Anakin were actually underdeveloped, while the focus was often splattered onto chance meetings of characters and the various identical clones that I couldn't give a crap about.

Maybe they've learnt their lesson by now. Series 5 was good, maybe future efforts can be better. Who knows.

Certainly Kit or someone will start screaming at me so I'll stop typing contentious opinions.

I basically liked 1-2 and 5, hated 3-4, the Ventress/whats his face that looks like Maul but yellow Arc was pretty good to follow (especially the Delta Squad cameo :D). The Domino Squad arc was really good too, it showed the casualties of war where a squad of 6 boiled down to just 1 surviving member (Good God I sound like a liberal...). The Bounty Hunter Arc (the one when they faked Obi-Wan's death) was good, the only problem I saw with it was that just drawn out a little long. The one everyone was talking about where they land on the magic force planet I didn't really like other than all the cameos, and I also saw that the guy that played the evil one also voiced Starkiller in TFU and the girl who voiced the good one also voiced Maris in TFU. either way my opinion still the same you guys can try to change it if you want

Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Raindeer on December 26, 2013, 09:04:34 AM
I basically liked 1-2 and 5, hated 3-4, the Ventress/whats his face that looks like Maul but yellow Arc was pretty good to follow (especially the Delta Squad cameo :D). The Domino Squad arc was really good too, it showed the casualties of war where a squad of 6 boiled down to just 1 surviving member (Good God I sound like a liberal...). The Bounty Hunter Arc (the one when they faked Obi-Wan's death) was good, the only problem I saw with it was that just drawn out a little long. The one everyone was talking about where they land on the magic force planet I didn't really like other than all the cameos, and I also saw that the guy that played the evil one also voiced Starkiller in TFU and the girl who voiced the good one also voiced Maris in TFU. either way my opinion still the same you guys can try to change it if you want

I realized that the Dark Son was voiced by the same guy who voiced Galen Marek, it's had to mistake Sam Witwer's voice talent. :) Didn't realize that the other person was the same who voiced Maris though, never did pay much attention to other characters in TFU, besides Starkiller and Juno Eclipse obviously. :P

I thought the Ventress/Savage Oppress arc was interesting to say the least. It was good to see a Zabrak in Star Wars again, however the fact that Savage was a dumb as a brick is what I didn't like. He was like that big kid that was always dumb, but knew how to bully others. Sure he was a bit on the sly and clever side, but he wasn't exactly the sharpest tool in the shed as far as villains go.

Also, about the Domino Squad arc. True, the entire squad did boil down to Fives as the remaining member, but after Kamino Echo was still with him (even though he sadly died in The Citadel arc... :'(). The Box arc was pretty good actually, I thought it was impressive all the disguise-tech the Jedi had available at their disposal for Kenobi. If you want a long arc though, try the stuff from Season 5, such as the Onderon arc, Younglings arc, or the Ahsoka arc at the end of the series. Don't look at the D-Squad arc though, it's seriously awful.

Anyways, I actually watched the Onderon arc today and looked back at it. It was sad to see Steela die, but I guess the price of victory comes with a cost usually. Still, it was a pretty good arc out of Season 5. :)

Sam Witwer is an amazing voice actor (he also did Darth Maul and an amazing job at that) and a very knowledgable SW fan. I have heard him multiple times on RebelForce Radio when he guest hosts and he is very interesting to listen to.

I love the how TCW personalized clone troopers. Before TCW all clones were just the same face in different armor with no personality (except for maybe Cody in RotS) but after TCW each clone has his own personality and his own story per se. The Domino Squad is a perfect example with started with the Rookies episode in season 1 (Season 1, Episode 5 don't ask how I remember that).



Here's an idea, I'll say an arc/episode and we all put our thoughts into what we thought about that arc/episode.



Discussion 1: RYLOTH ARC (Season 1, Episodes 19-21)


I really enjoyed this arc and how each episode was a different story but all connected. The first episode shows Ashoka struggling with the casualties of war and what it really means to be a leader, while at the same time breaking through a blockade to make way for Kenobi in the second episode of the arc! The second episode had some great action and some nice clone parts with that Nala girl. Obi-Wan is also just awesome when he fights and after rescuing the civilians Mace comes down to take the capital. He has to befriend some freedom fighters and remember this is the first time we see Mace fighting in the show and they make him a real bad rear! They really a great job adding to the Mace Windu we see in Ep2 and Ep3. It also shows Wat Tambor in more depth and I love how he tries to "show the price of a Republic victory" The end was great and you get to see the Lost Arc from Indy!

I'd give that arc a 7.5/10 right now (before season 3-5 I'd given it a 9/10 ;) )

What do you all think of this arc? Love it? Hate it?

The Ryloth arc was good. The first part definitely developed Ahsoka's character more, and formed some maturity in her with the reality of war, rather than just a pretty face with basic knowledge of the Jedi Order and witty remarks. The second part I thought was actually better, if not the best part of the arc. The producers took two regular clones, gave them a mission to scout, and added a little Twi'lek girl in it, just to make things interesting. It was nice to see that clones have more to them then basic protocols and such, and we get to see how the react in a situation like this. The third part of the arc I actually didn't quite like entirely. Windu's never been one of my favourite characters, though Wat Tambor's appearance was highly welcomed. My memory's a bit hazy on the third part, but I recall it to some extent. Overall, I thought the Ryloth arc was pretty good for Season 1, definitely a 9/10 before Seasons 3-5, but more so a 6 on my part, only because I don't care for Windu that much. :P

Also, Lost Ark was in the Ryloth arc? Gotta point where that was for me Kit. I'm assuming it was in the third part though. ;)

pretty much every bit of it was complete garbage because not only did it rewrite things already in existance it disregarded them and was like this is fact screw the old stuff that was already established. Take for example: i had a conversation with honzo earlier today and he was still under the impression assaj ventress was a rattakan...which WAS true and it ruined the swtor version when they made her a dathomir night sister effectively making rattakans and nightsisters look pretty much the same...orlets take a look at general grievous not only that but in the debut of him he was able to take on 3 jedi masters and 3 apprentices SINGLE handedly before mace windu crushed his lungs in the 2003 series of the clonewars when he abducted palpatine ....in the old canon....he was blown up his body essentially destroyed and rebuilt by the muun intergalatic banking for purposes as a warrior...NOW they made it that he wanted to upgrade himself rather than being forced into it....and the whole sabotage by the the jedi apprentice barris offee was the traitor which ruined the canon prior where she was blasted by an atte...adi gallia died in order 66 but now she died by getting ganked by horns... i know this goes into a whole new can of worms but the fact there are more sithlords and sith in the clone wars defies the rule of two but that goes into do you follow expanded universe canon or just straight up movie canon because jorge lucas destroyed 1-3 and made it make competely no sense to he older movies it brings up the question.....will there be sith in episode 7....following movie canon there cant be because anakin through luke destroyed the two sith master and lord rendering any remaining sith impossible due to the rule of two....but in the expanded universe there are still sith lords....so this just gets to be a jumbled mess xS sorry for getting off topic in the end but it feels right to mention that part seeing as its related...

Quote from: hellish hellbird on December 26, 2013, 11:45:00 PM
pretty much every bit of it was complete garbage because not only did it rewrite things already in existance it disregarded them and was like this is fact screw the old stuff that was already established. Take for example: i had a conversation with honzo earlier today and he was still under the impression assaj ventress was a rattakan...which WAS true and it ruined the swtor version when they made her a dathomir night sister effectively making rattakans and nightsisters look pretty much the same...orlets take a look at general grievous not only that but in the debut of him he was able to take on 3 jedi masters and 3 apprentices SINGLE handedly before mace windu crushed his lungs in the 2003 series of the clonewars when he abducted palpatine ....in the old canon....he was blown up his body essentially destroyed and rebuilt by the muun intergalatic banking for purposes as a warrior...NOW they made it that he wanted to upgrade himself rather than being forced into it....and the whole sabotage by the the jedi apprentice barris offee was the traitor which ruined the canon prior where she was blasted by an atte...adi gallia died in order 66 but now she died by getting ganked by horns... i know this goes into a whole new can of worms but the fact there are more sithlords and sith in the clone wars defies the rule of two but that goes into do you follow expanded universe canon or just straight up movie canon because jorge lucas destroyed 1-3 and made it make competely no sense to he older movies it brings up the question.....will there be sith in episode 7....following movie canon there cant be because anakin through luke destroyed the two sith master and lord rendering any remaining sith impossible due to the rule of two....but in the expanded universe there are still sith lords....so this just gets to be a jumbled mess xS sorry for getting off topic in the end but it feels right to mention that part seeing as its related...

And Even Piell...

I'l admit, The Clone Wars did have a lot of inconsistencies with it's canon, such as Boba Fett's blaster being introduced in Season 2 Episode 18, Bounty Hunters, instead of later in the timeline. However, Star Wars' canon hasn't always been precise you could say, they've always had to change stuff and whatnot. I'l admit Clone Wars was a straightway to Episode III, however The Clone Wars dived deeper into the clones themselves, and other characters as well. I guess they might've made The Clone Wars to simply rewrite the original series (which was a very straight forward and determined to give a backstory to Episode III), and actually show that not all clones are directly-obeying troops.

Or of course, they might've made The Clone Wars because LucasFilm needed the money. :P Anyways, I'm not trying to persuade you into saying The Clone Wars was good, but I admit they have had multiple faults within the canon. Despite that though, it's a pretty solid series (and much better than the original Clone Wars in my opinion).

Yes, the whole Star Wars universe teaming with inconsistencies.
That doesn't excuse those present in TCW, the writers should have known better. They're very naughty.

Also Star Wars: Clone Wars (2003) Woooo!

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 a big thing i disliked about the whole new clone wars was the fact it seemed like the clones never really died that often as opposed to the 2003 series where it was more or less realistic...er....where people were dyin more often than not...which also like in unit 33s gif that was more realistic in terms of the number advantage of the cis to the republic. The real problem the republic was facing was the number shortage of clone troopers although palpatine was secretly making many of them on centax 2 which were deployed during the battle of coruscant...which in the movie it didnt make much sense either because a massive ship crash landed on coruscant and a big war was happening yet in the movie the whole planet seemed as if nothing happened...but im getting off topic here...like take for example when a CIS sniper shot commander rex in the chest...why exactly is his armour so much stronger than ANY other clone because we can see people getting blasted in the stomach and dying where he got shot around the heart area and lived....or on tashi station when that 1 clone was able to get shot like 5 times and still move around...the consistency of it all was pretty bad haha...

Ive only seen a few episodes in the series and while I always had a negative view of the TV series i found it entertaining but nvr got around to watching more.

What really strikes me is that to some all star wars is is the clone wars. But atleast the universe is staying alive.

To all those who love the SW canon more than SW itself, you should have known TCW wasn't going to be very courteous to canon lovers.

Just look at the first ever TCW content you saw! The film in '08 had many canon inconsistencies, for example:
When did Anakin have a padawan?!
When did Anakin have a 501st captain?! (Rex)
When did Jabba have a son?! (Rotta)
When did Anakin fight Dooku before Episode III?! (Anakin+Count fought on Tatooine at the end of the movie)
There's probably more I can't think of off the top of my head.


So yes TCW has inconsistencies and if you thought it wouldn't you were kinda fooling yourself from the start. Now before I get flamed when TCW first premiered/aired I was a canon lover who was kinda pissed off but I kept watching it. Now I know that canon isn't the best thing in the world. (Let's be honest post RotJ stories aren't great, except the Trawn trilogy) Now I know that TCW is more Star Wars than even the prequels (at times) and that is why I love it. Clone Wars '03 didn't feel that way for me and that's why I don't like that show.


So saying TCW was bad because of canon inconstancies you best prepare yourself for the coming storm, I don't think canon will be the hugely considered in the upcoming movies and TV shows.


Oh yea and Star Wars Rebels is taking place 4 years before Episode IV so it won't have clone troopers.

:panic:



Edit: SK's new title is a lot more fitting. ;)

"I don't think canon will be the hugely considered in the upcoming movies and TV shows."

Couldn't have put it better myself. They really want to make a lot of use from this license, doing actual research to avoid inconsistencies is something I think a lot of these people wont do sometimes.

Quote from: St. Nick Fisto on December 28, 2013, 09:33:36 PM
To all those who love the SW canon more than SW itself, you should have known TCW wasn't going to be very courteous to canon lovers.

Just look at the first ever TCW content you saw! The film in '08 had many canon inconsistencies, for example:
When did Anakin have a padawan?!
When did Anakin have a 501st captain?! (Rex)
When did Jabba have a son?! (Rotta)
When did Anakin fight Dooku before Episode III?! (Anakin+Count fought on Tatooine at the end of the movie)
There's probably more I can't think of off the top of my head.


So yes TCW has inconsistencies and if you thought it wouldn't you were kinda fooling yourself from the start. Now before I get flamed when TCW first premiered/aired I was a canon lover who was kinda pissed off but I kept watching it. Now I know that canon isn't the best thing in the world. (Let's be honest post RotJ stories aren't great, except the Trawn trilogy) Now I know that TCW is more Star Wars than even the prequels (at times) and that is why I love it. Clone Wars '03 didn't feel that way for me and that's why I don't like that show.


So saying TCW was bad because of canon inconstancies you best prepare yourself for the coming storm, I don't think canon will be the hugely considered in the upcoming movies and TV shows.


Oh yea and Star Wars Rebels is taking place 4 years before Episode IV so it won't have clone troopers.

:panic:



Edit: SK's new title is a lot more fitting. ;)

When did Anakin have a padawan?! she coulda died during order 66 or before episode 3 even happened or even before the 2003 series happened or she coulda left the jedi order as well
When did Anakin have a 501st captain?! (Rex) the 501st is a legion theres probably several captains
When did Jabba have a son?! (Rotta) just because he was never mentioned doesnt mean he didnt exist
When did Anakin fight Dooku before Episode III?! (Anakin+Count fought on Tatooine at the end of the movie) ending of star wars episode 2 the clone wars movie he and obi wan fight count dooku and lose and yoda fights him and loses...ish....

So ya george lucas ruined alot of star wars canon with 1-3 to the point its hard to think about without making me sad inside and it makes me cringe about how 7-9 will be with the whole chosen one no more sith thing happening and or not happening depending on if disney picks and chooses which canon to take from expanded or movie based

Lower your expectations for the new movies and everything will be fine. ;)

Quote from: St. Nick Fisto on December 29, 2013, 02:04:56 PM
Lower your expectations for the new movies and everything will be fine. ;)

But what if I have high expectations?

Things they have going for them.

-Won't be any worse than all the screwed up canon already in place.
-A supposedly good director. (Imagine how well the prequels could've been with one of these?) I have yet to watch Star Trek: Into Darkness myself though.
-Disney haven't dissolved LucasFilm to my knowledge which means the people who know and love will be working on them. Look at what happened with Marvel, a lot of those movies are brilliant.
-Post-modern CGI man. Look at how far visual technology has come. They can create bigger and better battles while maintaining the immersion of the viewer. (Of course if you look for the flaws in CGI you can always find it. The solution is don't look to be disappointed by it and you won't be.)
-George Lucas isn't directing it. No offence to the man intended. He made a great universe. But the directing of the prequels was what let them down the most. (Wait I already mentioned this one didn't I?)


Also I skimmed over the post you were actually replying. The movies supersede all other sources of canon and in my opinion they are all that happened in the SW universe. If something can't stand on it's own, it shouldn't be standing at all. Think about it, take away anything SW from SW:TCW. Just make it another generic Sci-Fi show. Suddenly it's not looking so great is it? I wouldn't have had any interest in it. Neither would any of you.

Comparatively with say SW:KOTOR we would still be left with something great. It would have gotten good reviews and it with the right marketing it still would have sold well. In a way Mass Effect proves this. (Sci-Fi, BioWare game, great story and sold well.)

has anyone seen the new or rather lost episodes of the clone wars on netflix because i need....NEED a conversation about it haha

My goodness I just cannot get back into any of the Clone Wars stuff... i quit after the season in which one episode they crashed on a planet and the natives were like these primative monkey-like beings and Anakin and Aahsoka had to gain the natives trust so they could get help to fix the ship.

Atleast that's what i remember...

The show does get a bit childish sometimes, but overall as a cartoon it's pretty great. I'm watching Season 4 right now on Netflix and as the series keeps going it just gets better.

I still really love the original Clone wars series though, I'll always remember the episode where Grievous stalks a whole group of Jedi protecting Palpatine and manages to kill all of them.

the show got really really good and now no more ',,' hopefully rebels will be as good as the ending of the clone wars was because  :censored: that was good.....minus all the inconsistencies it made with the show and the already established EU

I watched the first episode of season six and it got a lot darker than I remember.  I guess they were moving towards that but I can't remember as much as there was in that episode.
It makes it a little more interesting, anyway.

I myself actually watched all 13 Lost Missions episodes from Friday night-Saturday afternoon. :D

I liked the arcs. I was disappointed they left out the Clovis' arc from Season 5, but nonetheless it was still a good arc. The Inhibitor Chip arc was very good as well, but-- hold up, not revealing anything from that arc for those who haven't watched it yet. :P

The Yoda arc at the end was really awkward I'l say, it felt a bit out of place. However, some of these arcs as a whole definitely build up the staging ground for Episode III for sure, due to the much darker, mature background and settings these arcs had. Now I can only hope that Rebels follows in The Clone Wars steps. I just hope that Disney doesn't try to "child-ize" the series for younger viewers, but more so tries to give the series a much more mature background like the Civil War era itself has.

Off topic here, if anyone is looking for a mature cartoon by Disney, look up Tron: Uprising. It was truly an awesome series, shame they cancelled it though, it had so much potential.

The [spoiler]Order 66[/spoiler] arc was pretty good, it reminded the viewer that the Clone army is essentially compromised of brain-washed slaves.

Yea I think the entire season was a prelude to Episode III that foreshadowed what would happen. The inhibiter chip arc was very sad (Those who watched it understand why). I thought that they could have dragged out the Sifo-Dias episode into a arc and shown what "really" happened to him. As for the Yoda arc I thought it was good but I think it copies a bit of the Force Planet arc and all of those cameos to the episodes starts to get a bit annoying after a while. But overall I thought it was a good season, it's a shame LucasArts never got to air it.

im actually pretty happy about the yoda arc because theres a possiblity that the priestesses were WHILLS! :3 maybe idk but noones ever seen them before so that would mark the first possible appearance of that race

Quote from: hellish hellbird on March 11, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
im actually pretty happy about the yoda arc because theres a possiblity that the priestesses were WHILLS! :3 maybe idk but noones ever seen them before so that would mark the first possible appearance of that race

I may be a Star Wars fan myself, but what exactly are Whills? The term sounds vaguely familiar, I think I found it in a Wookieepedia article a while back.

Quote from: Gold Man on March 11, 2014, 06:07:24 PM
I may be a Star Wars fan myself, but what exactly are Whills? The term sounds vaguely familiar, I think I found it in a Wookieepedia article a while back.

The 'Journal of the Whills' appears in the original Star Wars novelisation... George Lucas was initially going to link the SW universe with our own using the Whills as kind of super-space-story tellers.
So essentially the Whills are some kind of ancient race that document the history (and the future) of the SW universe.

Quote from: Unit 33 on March 12, 2014, 12:21:22 AM
The 'Journal of the Whills' appears in the original Star Wars novelisation... George Lucas was initially going to link the SW universe with our own using the Whills as kind of super-space-story tellers.
So essentially the Whills are some kind of ancient race that document the history (and the future) of the SW universe.

Ah, I see. So sort of like a "Father Time" type of figure.

Hmm, never knew that! Then again, the novelizations of the Star Wars films always had their differences from the actual films.

Quote from: Gold Man on March 12, 2014, 07:42:58 AM
Ah, I see. So sort of like a "Father Time" type of figure.

I think the more Father Time would be the celestials which are rumored to turn into the ones....but why would there only be three celestials... Unless they evolve or change into seperate emotions like how the daughter was light and the son was dark and how the priestesses had different faces showing different feelings which would make sense if celestials turned into multiple beings like that rather than individual beings

My totally unbiased opinion: i didnt like it :/