Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 01:14:50 PM
as i already explained your math is inaccurate, real votes matter not your pretend formulas. again, you can't prove anything you said so theres no point showing a screenshot to someone as delusional as yourself. minimap mod is not a hack, for anyone who knows basic modding knows that LVL files are not hacks, only a few trolls still call radar a hack even though its a mod, keep believing lies if you want but quit spreading them here.

its wrong to YOU. you know what that is? an OPINION. im not saying you are a troll or stupid or insulting....infact all im doing is proving my point using other funny math formulas that work out just fine. and ive asked you how MANY times to prove me wrong with a screenshot? all these posts would have been nonexistent had you just shown it like 12 posts ago....also let the people believe what they want hissil this isnt fc people can have thier own opinions

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 01:09:09 PM
thats not proof, proof equals percentages based on each person getting one vote for their opinion on the matter. ask any admin or mod here, and i gurantee they will agree that birdo's strange formula is completely inaccurate compared to forum vote percentages, even the ones who don't like radar will agree.

sunjian would not have such a thing, if he had radarmod it would be side LVLs. these files and any modifications to them are not considered hacks, as any basic modder knows. again you should stop mislabeling mods as hacks on a modding forum.

ya well wheres your proof then? you clearly wont accept general mathematical formulas so how about instead of me going thorugh more funny math you just show us the screenshot? and again i dont know what amount of times this is at this point....its a matter of opinion on what it is or isnt for the general population its minimap hack...for the people who used to play before it it would probably be called minimap hack but for the select few you people call it radar....im not bashing your opinion hissil im simply writing what most people believe it is and the name really should be.

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 01:03:18 PM
its not a real math formula, its a troll post. any kind of maphack sunjian may have mentioned to you is imaginary, he may have been given radar mods but i don't remember. he was pro-radar mod when he joined invis, and may have lied to you or you might be lying about him. again, prove how 30 votes is 99% of 42 votes? once you can prove how 12 out of 42 votes only amounts to 1% of actual votes, then ill post the screenshot for you.

2^2 - 2^2 = (2+2)(2-2)
2(2-2) = (2+2)(2-2) .....(1)
Then 2 = 2+2 =4 .....(2)
1 =2
1+1+2 = 2+1+2
2+2 = 5

real math....and i still talk to sunjians brother on occasion who believe it or not also played so im sure i could just ask him if he has minimaphack on or not

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:58:36 PM
that's the most idiotic math formula i've ever seen, nobody is against a minimap hack since it does not exist, and about 50% of people who voted are against the radar mod.  Sunjian joined INVIS so he agreed to be pro-radar despite whatever he may have told you. Anyone who joins INVIS accepts radar as a fair part of the game.

you might not like it but its a solid math formula. and again...for the second time its a matter of opinion what you think it is. minimap hack is something sunjian spoke out about to me and several others before he died even referring it to as "the minimap hack". also i notice you keep going back and editing your posts about the fabled screenshot...well where is it? ive asked this being the 4th or 5th time by now

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:53:28 PM
so you think that even around 30 votes against radar and 12 votes for it is somehow 99% anti-radar? thats hilarios, and i took a screenshot from right before the poll was closed.

if you subtract the number of letters in the word minimap hack multiple the division of the community it has brought add the additional support from the other people pre minimap hack such as sunjian(may he rest in peace) then cross check the decimals and halves by the order yes. id say that would be + or - around 1% from our 99% estimate. and AGAIN i will say for the....3rd of 4th time...i have yet to see proof it was ever at 16 since last i saw it was at 12 again for idk how many times i am not [spoiler]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jesus-christ.jpg[/spoiler]

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:47:12 PM
it was 23no 16yes 7indifferent like i said, the other vote you think exist is imaginary. and if there were still only 12 yes votes, you would need over 1100 no votes to actually have 99% opposition to radar. Learn basic math before you go spewing more fallacies.

well id like...again ill ask...to see proof of that since...again...im going off of what i saw since i wasnt always on this forums watching the poll number every few seconds or whatever...the thing about the math is that the formula you follow and the one most people follow is wrong...if you were part of the order youd know that

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:42:37 PM
not really the differences are clearly defined on this site and many others, its kind of wierd to pretend that mods are hacks when they are nothing alike. the picture was saved cuz i knew something like this would happen, the antiradar trolls are too predictable lol.

if you are referring to your posts on this site then i guess it must be true...and what you put on fcre....oh wait...nevermind...and ya truthfully i wasnt on the site 25/7 waiting for the orginal poll to be shutdown but ya i do recall it being 12...so thats why i feel that number was correct unless you can show me otherwise i gotta go off what i saw again...for the third time im not[spoiler]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jesus-christ.jpg[/spoiler]

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:37:21 PM
an estimate that is wrong since only ~50% of players here are against radar mod. helios has acknowledged that hacks are not mods because he understands the difference.
it was 16 haha i have teh screenshot saved from before

well that was before the other people could vote because helios closed the polls. and what you think is a mod and what the rest of the general population considers a hack is a subject of a matter of opinion...and also thats...kinda weird to just have a screenshot of a poll off hand haha....assuming it actually exists that is

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 12:30:22 PM
The original poll was 50% with 23 no votes, 16 yes votes, 7 indifferent, and helios never lied about radar being a hack instead of a mod lol. Your percentage estimate is off by about 49%

i mean i only saw it was at 12 and i only know around 10 more people were going to vote no on it but if you really think it was 16 haha...also i dont remeber saying helios was a liar...and like i said im not[spoiler]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jesus-christ.jpg[/spoiler] so it might be off the esitmate but not by much

Quote from: Phobos on September 05, 2013, 11:31:50 AM
Also according to the previous polls here 50% ≠ 99%.

You forget the orginal poll where it was what was it? 23 to 12? and more people were going to vote before helios got mad and declared minimap hack being in it regardless of what over half the population says and our estimate of 99% may be off by like a point or two it seems fairly accurate....everyone isnt perfect..unless your JC[spoiler]http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/jesus-christ.jpg[/spoiler]...so unless we can get a hold of him to make official percents ours seems to be the best bet

copied layout from scoprion
*could be changed for adding of more evidence im in a rush sorry* ill put this ** by it like scorpion did
WHAT HAPPENED:

Russia:
the game was played fairly sure alot fo recons were used but it wasnt just one side and as a matter of fact yak was the ones who started using them first...soooo why are we going to rematch it? if anything this battle was the most straight forward noone doing anything bad or thinking about it ingame it was just alot of recons...which is funny certain people want them removed when they fight SO hard for minimap hack and argue "its part of the game".


Kastel:
I recorded sirpimped come out of a wall and try and kill me. People say it was an accident and shouldnt be conisdered him using a glitch...but if you watch the video he was coming from around the center of the building outwards not in the side of the wall. Now if it was an accident why would in the RECORDED video he would: A. jump out from behind me(if i was in first person i wouldnt have seen his name and not known he was there) B.Not notice he walked into a wall from both 3rd and first person you can clearly tell if youve walked into a wall. C.If it was an accident why was he so far into the wall when he came out watch the video hes coming from farther near the middle than near the wall. D.If he was infact in the glitched wall why would he come out and shoot at me to try and kill me...again if i wasnt in 3rd person i wouldnt have seen his name appear in the wall and freaked out. E. you can clearly see he was in the reload animation right as he came out which is the reason he didnt kill me i had enough time to react to both dodge roll( which i did because i expected him to be around the corner not in the wall) and jump back before he shot...had i not seen him he woulda for sure been able to kill me. And maybe F. maybe he got cocky and didnt realize i was recording the fight and figured "why not use this glitch i may or may not have accidentally found they cant report it" or something the last part is me speculating on as to why he would stay so far into the glitch and try to kill me using it every other point you can see in the videos anyder made and just do it yourself too. seriously watch the video he came from near the center area not near the wall ill help you test it if you want too to show how far the range was on his name and where i was.** theres the video. as you can see he was reloading which was the reason he didnt shoot me immediatly**

Harbor:
people complain about the roster constantly which ill adress in the who to blame section
a 212(nico) used a jet trooper in the beginning of the fighting as far as i saw he didnt kill anyone and just died to the tank by the western lz. People debate constatly about shazam being killed...i was right there when he died and there were alot of explosions going off grenades rockets aat lasers iftx missles i cant tell you what killed him as it was havoc but i do know on record i saw a jet missle shoot the tank near the top laser gun and right after a rocket blew it up with mines. now as to shazam dying. lets face the facts he was 1 guy capping the point. i was alive. hond was in the iftz going around the wall to kill both him and the aat. the aat died soon after shazam died leaving him alone. the rocket who killed the tank was alive. we had an atte right next to the base. assuming he some how killed an iftx me as a clone pilot and a rocket while fighting off people constantly spawning at the atte while i think he was a sniper then he must either A. be god or B. be the best player this game has ever had. Now on to the tank parts. I PERSONALLY drove both the tanks (both aats if you are confused) to the repair droid and fixed them up. the first one we got was in the western lz spawn point anyder said he saw it and i know for a fact i was the one who stole it because well i was clearly there. the second was in the crevice which baby eater hond myself and even EPIFIRE said was in the crevice which counters what rage saying MUTLIPLE times the last one was on the mountain what im implying is he wasnt being truthful about what he saw which is obvious and to bring up another point when he "saw" something else(when i get to the kamino point). he may need glasses i wouldnt know but also theres no evidence of a jet trooper taking a tank  even though both rage who said he saw it as a recon and sir pimped accoridng to rage saw it (which he said several times too want the chat logs and the forums posts ill get them for you.) We DO have both a confession from rage and screenshots of him stealing a tank and switching sides when we had a clear 40 man advantage on the ticks. i think this is the worst offense out of any others because it cost us the 40 man lead with that one tank he had 29 kills. with that one jet he had maybe 1. **To clear it up for people who have difficulty counting/ reading( i have dyselxia so its sometimes hard to read text blocks) the tank that died with shazam was not the first tank we took...i mean it died haha. and the screenshots below are places you dont need to jet to.


***show us the screenshots of the jet and the "tank" you claim to have seen***

http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/128798084-3.jpg (screenshot of the first tank i got)
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128798085 (screenshot of the second tank i got)
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128793327 (screenshot where shazam said he thought rage was also lying)**

Kamino: Theres a forum post where rage said a guy shot through a wall...imo hes just complaining to complain

mustafar: shazam(the ADMIN) was asking to stand on LAVA and asked us if it was a glitch or not....i know jesus walked on water but i doubt any rebel can just STAND on lava...also its a glitch since lava is supposed to kill you in game and in real life. Admin endorsing the useage of glitches

WHO IS TO BLAME:

Russia:
-noone since there isnt a problem

Kastel:
-if it was an accident it was sir pimps fault for not leaving it and trying to kill me using the glitch for suprise( i coulda sworn WUSI trained him better than that but maybe after he left and joined new people he lost all WUSI discipline)

Harbor:
-Nico for being jet, and rage for switching side and stealing a tank to "get back" at one jet. and if there was a problem with the roster scoprion and AND shazam were both there and said nothing about it until AFTER we WON.



WHAT SHOULD BE DONE:

Russia:
-nothing since it was a fair fight

Kastel:
its obivous sir pimped tried to kill me using the glitch by flanking behind me using it had i not been in third person i wouldnt have caught him doing it and i woulda died and noone woulda known what happened. he should be slapped on the wrist or show an example of glitching not being allowed at all accident or not you shouldnt try and kill people if you stumble into one id suggest suspension for X ammount of weeks

Harbor:
Both sides cheated (sorta on the 212 side) Nico and rage should both be suspended from playing for X number of weeks aside from them everyone else played fairly and even though rage cost us 29 kills with the tank(which he cheated to get) and 40 tick lead we still won it

On a side note though shazam should be removed from the admin position for A. conflict of interests since he flipped flopped HARDCORE on us with the who won harbour and russia B. what he said to me in a chatroom with rage when he decided to double team me about the harbour battle and said [08:54] Shazam (scoutz2436): Leave Epifire out of this when i was saying a YAK proved rage wasnt being honest C.hes an admin EDORSING glitching which is really stupid imho

Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
1.0 takes kamino.

several yak did not follow strategy, and we accept this loss.

thought i saw a CIS sniper shoot thru wall once, but didnt see anything after that.

And i have a video of sir pimped jumping out of a wall at me on kastel but no complaints

Say hello to the 4th ICW3 admin everyones close and dear friend birdosrus

aye then its not an excuse its something you guys dont want to deal with haha and i told you specifically wolf i would play in it if it really was a vanilla duel

I am still around and i have not lost any of my flying prowess...ill tell you here as i told wolf and pimped why i will not join....minimap in a plane duel is so god awful if your flying against it every time you try to get behind someone they can easily go the other way and the battle would either go on for a very long time or it would be a landslide...that is not skill in a plane its like mining your plane or take off killing and the thought of playing against people who would use that is the main reason i dont want to join...the only person who i would say is almost as good as me would have to be forcekeeper...even though we played in his server he was still godlike in a 7-b and he is the best stunt pilot in a 7-b by a longshot...he didnt have to cheat so i dont see why anyone else would have to either