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WEEK FOUR MAP IS HERE[spoiler](https://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7003.0;attach=2816;image)[/spoiler]
Week 3 results
- 1.0 takes Temple from Enten
1.0 takes CC from Enten - 212 defends Jabba from Enten
212 takes Arena from Enten - Enten takes Mos Eisley from 212
- YAK defends Mustafar from 212
YAK takes Harbor from Enten
YAK takes Streets from Enten
Remarks:1. How did the admin situation work out last week? Were there any problems? How do you feel last week compared to the previous two weeks?
2. It's too early to say for sure, but there's a possibility that this week will be similar to last week as far as admins go.
3. How long do you want the ICW3 to continue? For comparison, ICW1 lasted 8 weeks, and ICW2 lasted 4 weeks. ICW2 was purposely abbreviated in order to fit (largely) with people's winter breaks.
I see no reason why the ICW3 can't go on for at least several more weeks (unless one clan takes all before then). It will especially help if, like last week, the "admin" team is expanded to a much larger circle of willing people.
4. Are you all in favor of enforcing the 4 player minimum for defenders? This was the rule in at least one of the previous tournaments, and while I didn't explicitly include it in the ICW3 rules, I believe it's a sound rule. However, I'm willing to hear opinions before deciding.
5. Remember that clans are not obliged to make attacks in a given week. Clans must make 0, 1, or 2 attacks. Of course, you must defend whenever attacked in order to save the map.
Quote from: Oven on August 26, 2013, 07:17:13 AM
1. How did the admin situation work out last week? Were there any problems? How do you feel last week compared to the previous two weeks?
3. How long do you want the ICW3 to continue? For comparison, ICW1 lasted 8 weeks, and ICW2 lasted 4 weeks. ICW2 was purposely abbreviated in order to fit (largely) with people's winter breaks.
4. Are you all in favor of enforcing the 4 player minimum for defenders? This was the rule in at least one of the previous tournaments, and while I didn't explicitly include it in the ICW3 rules, I believe it's a sound rule. However, I'm willing to hear opinions before deciding.
- The sub admins seemed less organized than the regular admins I would prefer if official admins could attend more battles in the future.
- I think 8 to 10 weeks is good.
- I think it should be enforced and if a defender team doesn't have at least 4 players they should be allowed to use extra mercs or players from other teams.
I would say official admins are good but we can manage without them as long as there is someone to make a decision.
I have no preference for when it ends as long as there is 2 weeks notice but I think that once a team is knocked out (not through choice) it should begin to end. I wouldn't like it to end up as being just for a few people.
I would say have a rule of 4 attackers minimum, if only 2 defenders turn up that's their problem but they should have relaxed merc rules for the first 4 (even if we just call them natives). :)
Attack of the map!
WRONG
See the other post.
[spoiler](https://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7003.0;attach=2813;image)[/spoiler]
Unit, we have Arena...
After seeing that map i think YAK might go pretty far in the tournament. Although having all those planets would make them a bigger target and could lose a lot of planets this week.
I don't have any plans Saturday or Sunday atm, but I have a game Friday evening so I won't make any Friday matches. I agree that we should have backup admins in case none of the main admins are available, as long as Oven approves them.
I think it's a little early to decide how much longer the tournament should last. I'd be cool to have it last until there is one clan standing, but I don't want it to drag on because this is kind of time-consuming and I have a busy schedule IRL.
Also, there should definitely be a 4 player minimum requirement. Anything less than 4v4 relies on individual player skill more than clan teamwork and strategy.
YAK's Week 4 Attacks
(May change slightly)
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: Natives
Planet: Tatooine: Mos Eisley
YAK's side: CIS
Day/time: Saturday, 2:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 1.0
Planet: Earth: Russia
YAK's side: Empire
Day/time: Saturday, 3:00 PM EST
Quote from: Shazam on August 26, 2013, 04:11:46 PM
I don't have any plans Saturday or Sunday atm, but I have a game Friday evening so I won't make any Friday matches. I agree that we should have backup admins in case none of the main admins are available, as long as Oven approves them.
I think it's a little early to decide how much longer the tournament should last. I'd be cool to have it last until there is one clan standing, but I don't want it to drag on because this is kind of time-consuming and I have a busy schedule IRL.
Also, there should definitely be a 4 player minimum requirement. Anything less than 4v4 relies on individual player skill more than clan teamwork and strategy.
YAK's Week 4 Attacks
(May change slightly)
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Tatooine: Mos Eisley
YAK's side: CIS
Day/time: Saturday, 2:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 1.0
Planet: Earth: Russia
YAK's side: Empire
Day/time: Saturday, 3:00 PM EST
212 Does not have Mos, En'ten does.
Alright, the 4 player min. is now a rule.
Alright, calm you farm.
Dear Admins and ICW3 Members, the ducks are now not longer in this tournament. :confused:
We want to give our remaining planets to 1.0 clan.
It was a great time with u :happy:
cya soon ;)
Entenritter JUMPER
Good games, En'Ten. It was fun playing against you in this tournament. :) You did very well despite having a limited amount of members and having to accommodate for our different timezones.
YAK would still like to attack Mos Eisley. It will be native-held now, right?
The 212th Clan will be dropping out of the tournament also, we want to give our remaining planets to 1.0 clan, (the ones we worked hard for), GG.
I hate to put a kink in your plans, but if you forfeit, your planets become native-held.
Quote from: ICW3 RulesIf a clan forfeits, their planets become native held, and attackers will face a team of "native". Anyone may show up as a native. However in this case the natives may be outnumbered by attackers. But there is a limit of 2 members per clan on the native side.
Nope, you are wrong sha zam. UEF handed Bespin platforms to 1.0 despite an attack from 212 ;)
Quote from: -=(212) Nixo=- on August 27, 2013, 06:08:00 AM
Nope, you are wrong sha zam. UEF handed Bespin platforms to 1.0 despite an attack from 212 ;)
Quote from: Oven on August 04, 2013, 06:30:47 PM
If a clan forfeits, their planets become native held, and attackers will face a team of "native". Anyone may show up as a native. However in this case the natives may be outnumbered by attackers. But there is a limit of 2 members per clan on the native side.
Please let me know if anything above is incomplete or unclear.
I think Oven should clarify exactly what will happen since some people seem confused about this rule.
If clan wants to give their planets to another clan when they leave tourney, its their decition, not admins'...
If the clan leaves tourney and doesnt announce they wanna give maps to any clan, then they should be native maps.
[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-qFXWW8ydo [/spoiler] Utini!!! :xmastim:
If the planets are ours, then I don't see the problem, since we fought for them, besides, who will be the natives...? 2 players per participating clan.
I believe that, since there are 2 forfeits, one with multiple planets, that each want to give their planets to 1.0, that 1.0 should get their choice of half, and YAK can receive the other half. There are only 2 teams left, so it would be pointless to have native planets imo.
But that's just me. It's Oven's choice.
What's the point of making rules for a tournament if you aren't going to stick to them?
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6931.0 (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6931.0)
Look at the end of the Winning section. Sha-Zam is correct, Oven has clearly already outlined what happens in event of this.
And yet Oven gave 1.0 Platforms... so he can bend the rules for them, but not for us? :moo:
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 27, 2013, 06:42:05 AM
If clan wants to give their planets to another clan when they leave tourney, its their decition, not admins'...
Really where does it say this in the ICW3 rules??
I think the planets enten and 212 have forfeited should either go to natives as the rules specify, or the planets should be randomly divided equally among 1.0 and YAK. Giving all planets to one clan which didn't even earn them in battle is a desperate attempt to circumvent the tournament structure which is supposed to be balanced.
Its the clan's choise !
I left the clans to 1.0 cause i wanted and before i did, oven said: its ok if u wanna give your maps to any clan if u dont want them native. (after that he asked me if i was sure of quitting UEF as participant clan)
It's a shame that 212 and Enten are dropping out, we've had some good games. I know some people said you should have more players but I would rather small matches than none. I always enjoy playing 212 and Enten had some good players who I haven't had the chance to play before. Thanks everyone.
I don't know the exact rules and have no objection to a clan giving their planets to another in this case (although it does seem a bit unfair to give them all to one clan (that's not YAK ;) ).
I probably shouldn't suggest this but if you're determined to give 1.0 your planets you could just deliberately lose a match with them. :)
I'm sorry that Enten and 212 are dropping out.
I'm also sorry for not obeying my own rule earlier in this tournament. Mygeeto should not have been awarded to 1.0, and therefore it (along with 212's ex-planets) will become native held. The rules are in fact crystal clear as to what happens in this situation, and they always have been, so I won't make any exceptions. Fortunately Mygeeto was never attacked while "held" by 1.0 so ultimately no one is slighted by this reversion.
Could we be reinstated? If not I understand... nixo and I don't really agree at where we stand on whether 212 should drop out of the tournament or not, so we will work things out soon.
Maybe I should put in a say for this? Yeah sure I will. At least about the argument about planet dividing I see we all have a problem with.
I agree we should stick with the rules about the Native planets if 212 does, or did (I'm not sure what they are doing) that all their planets should become Native rule. How ever since we do have Enten dropping out with only 1 planet instead of 212 who has several. I think they should chose who it goes to. Maybe a time for a new rule Oven? If there ever so happens to be a ICW4 (which would be wonderful to have).
It would of course make a little more sense if a clan/team was in this tournament with only 1 planet left to at least to decide what they want to do with it. Whether to Defend, give it away, or keep on playing. As Oven did before with Bespin. (Mygeeto was awarded to us just as Enten was awarded a planet the first week) Which was given to us by UEF by choice.
As Phobos did mention though we didn't earn/fight for Mos Eisly (Enten's last planet) which is totally agreeable not to let Enten hand it over. Which does leave to a good counter argument if there are more then 1 planet being handed over. But 1 planet won't exactly make a huge difference compared to anything more then 1.
Maybe a good option for a new rule? It seemed fair before with UEF. Theres always room for improvements and I don't see why this would be an issue unless its more then 1 planet. It is also Enten's last wish in the ICW3 after all.
Oven I hope I put your brain to work on this one. I try my best :D
Enten will be missed.
Ten Numb: yes
Hond: will reply later
Attacking clan: 1.0
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Eddies Kastel
1.0's side: TBD (should have by tomorrow)
Day/time: Sunday, 2:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: 1.0
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Coruscant: Streets
1.0's side: Rebels GCW
Day/time: Sunday, 3:00 PM EST
Yes if you haven't realized 1.0 isn't touching Streets. The reason I put that there is because Oven hasn't said yes or no about Enten allowing us their last planet. If he decides that Entens only planet is to important to give away to us and makes it Native then we will have a different planet scheduled tomorrow for the same time (sides and era may differ).
Also if it does become a 1.0 planet we will accept Yaks attack on it and will defend it instead of Natives.
Until then I'll leave it up as Streets. So please don't argue until Oven says something. Thanks :D
Whether you have one planet or more, the rules clearly state what happens to a clan's planets if they drop out. One planet can make a difference in this tournament, and I don't understand why you think En'Ten gets to be an exception to the clearly stated rules. Sorry, but I doubt Oven will give you En'Ten's planet.
And yes, I did read your "please do not argue until Oven responds" comment. I do not mean to start an argument, but I do believe that I have the right to put in my opinion.
So then again, why did uef get an exception?
If its not too late to post our attacks we will be attacking must afar and rhen var. The times and sides will be posted later on.
Quote from: DEAGLE on August 29, 2013, 06:37:29 AM
So then again, why did uef get an exception?
I agree with u on this, but we did that cause rule was made after we did that.
Hond*, Shazam is correct, I'm sticking to the rules.
Deagle, UEF got an exception by mistake and that has been reversed without any snowballing consequences.
212, please post your complete info ASAP.
Sorry it's hard on a iPod but ill try ;)
Attacking clan: 212
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Mustafar
Date/Time: Sunday 4PM EST
Side/era: GCW/Empire
Attacking clan: 212
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Rhen var, Harbour
Date/Tme: Saturday 4PM EST (we will confirm this later on)
Side/era: CW/Republic
I should be available Sunday, and there is a small chance I will be able to admin Saturday, as well. I'm 100% available today until about 5:00 PM, but there are no battles today... Just my luck.
I wish my schedule was more set-in-stone, but it often changes last minute. Sorry.
Quote from: Shazam
I wish my schedule was more set-in-stone, but it often changes last minute. Sorry.
I think that is how it is for all (if not most) of us.. :P
Attacking clan: 1.0
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Kamino
1.0's side: CIS CW
Day/time: Sunday, 3:00 PM EST
It would of been nicer for an earlier response plan wise :( (Luckily no matches today)
Anyways Shazam we all know rules are rules but they don't last forever and can be changed. 1 planet does not make a difference unless it is one of last of maybe 3 planets remaining for a clan. Whether you thought for it fairly or was thinking for the better of YAK/FC I hope you know rules don't last and can be changeable.
Thanks anyways for an answer though.
Shazam was doing his job as an admin by quoting the rules. All clans who join the ICW are implicitly accepting the rules and want them to be enforced by the admins. The only one at fault here is me, for allowing UEF to give Mygeeto to 1.0.
The rules are at all times subject to improvement, but in most cases these changes are stipulated to apply "in all future cases" and not "in the current and all future cases" -- particularly when the modification would give (remove) some privelige to (from) some clan.
Oven u made the rule after i did this, cause u didnt want any other clan to do what i did.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 30, 2013, 05:15:04 PM
Oven u made the rule after i did this, cause u didnt want any other clan to do what i did.
Not true. If you're claiming that I'm favoring you over other players, that's highly amusing and ironic.
What side does 1.0 want on Kastel?
Quote from: Oven on August 30, 2013, 05:54:54 PM
Not true. If you're claiming that I'm favoring you over other players, that's highly amusing and ironic.
It is true. After i did that, u disliked what i did and then u made the rule.
Is all of this correct?
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: Natives
Planet: Tatooine: Mos Eisley
YAK's side: CIS
Day/time: Saturday, 2:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 1.0
Planet: Earth: Russia
YAK's side: Empire
Day/time: Saturday, 3:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: 212
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Rhen Var: Harbour
YAK's side: CIS
Day/time: Saturday, 4:00 PM EST
Btw, I will be available for all of today's battles.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 31, 2013, 08:44:46 AM
It is true. After i did that, u disliked what i did and then u made the rule.
Anyder, please don't make a scene publicly. If you have a problem with Oven personally, just chat on Xfire or send him a PM. I find it extremely rude and disrespectful that you continue to argue after all that Oven has done to make these tournaments possible. He admitted that he made a mistake. Just let it go.
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 08:56:41 AM
Anyder, please don't make a scene publicly. If you have a problem with Oven personally, just chat on Xfire or send him a PM. I find it extremely rude and disrespectful that you continue to argue after all that Oven has done to make these tournaments possible. He admitted that he made a mistake. Just let it go.
wtf ? Im just answering him, nothing else. Dont create ur own film of this sha zam.
some loser crashed the mos eisley server
YAK takes Mos.
A certain member of YAK acted with a lack of decorum towards Anyder.
I took a screenshot of the IP's if you want them, Led.
Oven, a server crasher will be banned from the tournament, right?
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Some folks were asking me earlier why I don't normally participate in this sort of thing.
I suppose their question is answered.
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Also, I don't mean to kick a hornet nest, but I don't think we're allowed to use abbreviations for that kind of language, Andy ;)
Quote from: BlackScorpion on August 31, 2013, 11:14:20 AM
YAK takes Mos.
A certain member of YAK acted with a lack of decorum towards Anyder.
Just like in every other war vs yak, I thought swbfgamers rules applied there. Like the rule where you can't call out another persons real name or whatever, multiple YAK members always use my real name during wars, and Oven says nothing so... Do swbfgamers rules apply in ICW servers?
Um, Just a word of advise; Don't give out your real name on the internet. (Goes for all connections)
1.0 defends Russia.
I wonder why Game crashed about 3 times lol...
Good Game!
I know a lot of people were complaining that nearly everyone was using recons but both teams did the same thing and I thought it was a good, close game with lots of players (30?). Thanks everyone. :)
32 players :)
It was a gg, idc why they are complaining now...
Also, i have lot of pics of kishan insulting...
212 takes harbor
The problem with russia battle is that 1.0 used 10 mercs and only 7 team players. Shazam has screenshots of this I think.
Also on harbor 212 used more than YAK even though we were defenders. Multiple times they used jets, even once they used jet to steal a vacant tank on top of the mountain.
Lots of YAK left during the war... so I'm not 100% sure, and the jets didn't effect anything, I just forgot to tell a couple people the rules, it's not like we got a tank or a cp with the jet, or even a kill
Please follow along with this post as I know it will be complex for some of you.
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1.0 members: 7
Civic
"The Family"
Sammy
Anime
Super
Jed
Menace
Mercs: 10
Jumper
KF
Nico
Engel
erweiTerT
Troy
Anyder
Dirty Harry
Frenchfy
Wild
whether they did anything or not mart the rule was broken multiple times, and i didnt swear in normal chat anyder so no rule was broken there
As it stands now, 212 defeated YAK on Harbor.
But... 212 used a jet (I saw) that moved around a tank and killed players capturing a command post.
It's up to Oven if this'll stand. Before I asked Shazam's opinion, I thought that 212's use of jet could potentially warrant a forfeit of their attack and Shazam agreed.
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 02:06:43 PM
it's not like we got a tank or a cp with the jet, or even a kill
212 used jet to take the tank on mountain. many people saw you guys (nico especially) do this even after blackscorpion warned no jets.
Nico is in 1.0? And so is anyder and a few of those guys are helping 1.0 as far as i am aware.
One member of YAK, got on our team, and took the tank.. Is that not cheating?
Quote from: BlackScorpion on August 31, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
As it stands now, 212 defeated YAK on Harbor.
But... 212 used a jet (I saw) that moved around a tank and killed players capturing a command post.
It's up to Oven if this'll stand. Before I asked Shazam's opinion, I thought that 212's use of jet could potentially warrant a forfeit of their attack and Shazam agreed.
It doesn't matter any more because YAK cheated also to get a tank so we are even
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:06:56 PM
Please follow along with this post as I know it will be complex for some of you.
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1.0 members: 7
Civic
"The Family"
Sammy
Anime
Super
Jed
Menace
Mercs: 10
Jumper
KF
Nico
Engel
erweiTerT
Troy
Anyder
Dirty Harry
Frenchfy
Wild
I believe that Wild, Nico, Engel, and Jumper were acting members and Anyder is a Co-Leader of PRO clan.
I would like to point out only this: I think that app. Half of the people playing crashed at least once, it was quite hard to have real fighting competition in the first match becasue of recons on both sides. But this thing about using the jet to get the tank didn't happen, we got 2 tanks and we got them around 8 mins after the last jet had changed back.
PS:Great to be back!
Edit:We got the tanks after the jet changed back as for killing a few people if you want the score to be 9-0 instead of 12-0 there you go!
OK, so we really need clarify several things in order to determine the winners of today's battles.
Is multi-clanning allowed in the ICW3? Several 212 and 1.0 members simply changed tags to not take up their mercenary count.
If a battle starts off even and the defending clan has several members leave during the game, should the attackers be forced to stay even? YAK had a very large portion of our members crash during the game and we were quickly outnumbered.
What happenes when someone breaks one of the basic rules, like no cursing, no jets, no false starts, ect? There were several instances where 212 had a jet used. Also, 1.0, 212, and YAK all had members that flamed or cursed at today's matches. Should they be given a warning and then booted or banned?
Will you please show a picture of a 212 cursing? Or video?
Quote from: BlackScorpion on August 31, 2013, 02:11:53 PM
I believe that Wild, Nico, Engel, and Jumper were acting members and Anyder is a Co-Leader of PRO clan.
Wild is WUSI and therefore a merc unless somewhere it is stated on this website that wusi joined 1.0 clan. (If so then it he can stand). Nico is a 212 member, this I Know. Engel and Jumper are enten members, so how are they 1.0 too unless they multiclan? Anyder is in PRO, UEF, 212, 1.0 and idk how many other clans so you make up your mind with him.
The rules are stated where the rules are ;) if i remember correctly ( they were the same for icw2) you get warned, then punished then banned. To me it is fairly obvious that if someone is wearing a different tag to the attacking or defending clan the they are mercing? If that is what you were asking. Anyder Merck for 212 as he is in 1.0.
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:16:54 PM
Wild is WUSI and therefore a merc unless somewhere it is stated on this website that wusi joined 1.0 clan. (If so then it he can stand. Nico is a 212 member, this I Know. Engel and Jumper are enten members, so how are they 1.0 too unless the multiclan? anyder is in PRO, UEF, 212, 1.0 and idk how many other clans so you make up your mind with him.
Are you dumb or something? Any clan that isn't in the ICW doesn't count...
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Are you dumb or something? Any clan that isn't in the ICW doesn't count...
So anyone who isn't in YAK or 212 is a 1.0 member?
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:18:55 PM
So anyone who isn't in YAK or 212 is a 1.0 member?
If they want to, I don't see why not? Everyone who is not in 212 or 1.0 is in YAK so...? Wars:
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 02:17:50 PM
Are you dumb or something? Any clan that isn't in the ICW doesn't count...
The ICW3 would be pointless if every clan that was eliminated just "merged" with another clan.
Noo... Clans can select players to help them during tourneys. For example Wild does this for 1.0, not wusi but just wild. Engel for 212 ect
you can't merc for multiple clans?
sry, but YAK is a affected product. They have too many members... so it must be allowed that 1.0 and 212 have "mercs"...clanless players. In other aspects ICW3 is only a complete farce.
Other pic.
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:16:54 PM
Wild is WUSI and therefore a merc unless somewhere it is stated on this website that wusi joined 1.0 clan. (If so then it he can stand). Nico is a 212 member, this I Know. Engel and Jumper are enten members, so how are they 1.0 too unless they multiclan? Anyder is in PRO, UEF, 212, 1.0 and idk how many other clans so you make up your mind with him.
My mind is most definitely made up.
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in that it's Ovens's decision, not mine. :cheer:
Quote from: [FC]Kishan on August 31, 2013, 02:08:24 PM
whether they did anything or not mart the rule was broken multiple times, and i didnt swear in normal chat anyder so no rule was broken there
You did.
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Also Elite and Majesty (mainly Majesty) insulted me in the Mos Match.
Quote from: BlackScorpion on August 31, 2013, 02:11:53 PM
I believe that Wild, Nico, Engel, and Jumper were acting members and Anyder is a Co-Leader of PRO clan.
Correction Scorp. Im the BOSS/Leader of PRO, what gives me these rights in 1.0 as i joined 1.0
Klaos was also CoLeader of PRO, and he said today, ok ill join 1.0 and play for they when i want in ICW.
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:16:54 PM
Wild is WUSI and therefore a merc unless somewhere it is stated on this website that wusi joined 1.0 clan. (If so then it he can stand). Nico is a 212 member, this I Know. Engel and Jumper are enten members, so how are they 1.0 too unless they multiclan? Anyder is in PRO, UEF, 212, 1.0 and idk how many other clans so you make up your mind with him.
Nico is in 1.0, please check sites...
Engelskrieger was a merc. for entenclan (Söldner/Merc.)
Jumper IS in entenclan (EntenRitter / Enten Member)
I am in 1.0 for the ICW Tourney. PRO is my 1.0VERSION CLAN. Im not in 212, im a clan helper. Im in 1.0 for playing the ICW, as i quit UEF from participant team, and i can cause im the CoLeader, anything else to make u get clear ?
In other words
·PRO = Anyder's 1.0version Clan (Rank: BozZ)
·UEF = Anyder's SWBF/SWBF2 Or any other game's Clan (Rank: Sqd. Co-Leader)
·212 = not my clan, im a mercenary/clan helper
·1.0 = Anyder's ICW Clan (Rank: Leader inherited from PRO Clan)
This is a screenshot from start of match. It has the 18 players for 1.0.
[spoiler](https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FtHnX9y6.png&hash=5f0ef244b1ad7495fdb930ec77dd4140b5803d02)[/spoiler]
Mercs no matter how you look at it because it's in their name or they are a clan currently in or previously in ICW3.
Mercs: 9
Erweitert
Anyder
Dirty Harry
FrenchFry
Better off dead
KF
Engle
Troy
Jumper
1.0 & WUSI & ALPHA members: 9
Wild
Anime
Super
Sammy
Menace
Civic
Jed
"family"
Nico
Basicly it comes down to Oven to decide if clans previously in the ICW3 who are out can join with a clan or have to act as mercs. I just assumed if a clan was in the ICW they had to be mercs at all times for other clans. But I don't think it was ever defined so Oven can rule on that.
Biggest thing that pissed me off were our tank pilots all wanting to toss our AATs into their home base. That's what lost YAK the match right there.
Sorta turtled it out towards the end but to no avail. Yeah, not sure how you guys plan on nailing foul play though.
Allright guys, I don't know if you want my opinion but I will give it anyway :P
The rules are not clear in the case that players who are out of the tournament (like the Enten players) are not allowed to join another clan for the tournament.
UEF left the tournament 2 weeks ago and Anyder changed the Clan. Oven Allowed or not? And even if not, he played for 1.0 against Yak in the last week. And no one bats an eye. This week, yak lost the battles against 1.0 and now they are saying that Anyder isnt allowed to play? Why now and not last week? I dont want to insult any of the Yak Players. But if they are only arguing when they lose than they couldn't admit a defeat.
Jumper is a member of the Enten who is already out of Tournament and joined 1.0 for the rest of it.
Killfire was an independent player in this tournament who merced for yak and 1.0 but he decided to join forces with 1.0 for the rest of the tournament.
Sammy is a regular member of 1.0
erweitert joined 1.0 for this tournament too.
Anyder = i explained it on the top :P
With Jumper, Killfire, Sammy, erweitert and Anyder 1.0 had12 regular members (due to the rules) and 5 mercs.
and there is a rule that says:
"In a match, at most one-third (1/3) of the players on a clan's side may be non-clan members. In other words, a 2:1 ration of clan:nonclan must be obeyed."
they had more than enough regular players and was allowed to use the rest as mercs.
Quote from: evosoul on August 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
Allright guys, I don't know if you want my opinion but I will give it anyway :P
The rules are not clear in the case that players who are out of the tournament (like the Enten players) are not allowed to join another clan for the tournament.
UEF left the tournament 2 weeks ago and Anyder changed the Clan. Oven Allowed or not? And even if not, he played for 1.0 against Yak in the last week. And no one bats an eye. This week, yak lost the battles against 1.0 and now they are saying that Anyder isnt allowed to play? Why now and not last week? I dont want to insult any of the Yak Players. But if they are only arguing when they lose than they couldn't admit a defeat.
Jumper is a member of the Enten who is already out of Tournament and joined 1.0 for the rest of it.
Killfire was an independent player in this tournament who merced for yak and 1.0 but he decided to join forces with 1.0 for the rest of the tournament.
Sammy is a regular member of 1.0
erweitert joined 1.0 for this tournament too.
Anyder = i explained it on the top :P
With Jumper, Killfire, Sammy, erweitert and Anyder 1.0 had12 regular members (due to the rules) and 5 mercs.
and there is a rule that says:
"In a match, at most one-third (1/3) of the players on a clan's side may be non-clan members. In other words, a 2:1 ration of clan:nonclan must be obeyed."
they had more than enough regular players and was allowed to use the rest as mercs.
Exactly correct.
Quote from: evosoul on August 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
UEF left the tournament 2 weeks ago and Anyder changed the Clan. Oven Allowed or not? And even if not, he played for 1.0 against Yak in the last week. And no one bats an eye. This week, yak lost the battles against 1.0 and now they are saying that Anyder isnt allowed to play? Why now and not last week? I dont want to insult any of the Yak Players.
We know anyder is also Ashley Purdy and
he is seen on the screenshot below as a co-leader of 212. I asked why he was allowed to multiclan, but no admins listened to me. So is he really in 1.0 or 212 or PRO or UEF?
[spoiler](https://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6965.0;attach=2786;image)[/spoiler]
And the merc rule is not all that specific. It is allowed to be "rounded".
If it is defeat that is the problem you guys need toget over it. Everyone is competitive, some more than others (like myself ;) ). Loosing only make you stronger! Apparently.
And SirPimped it has been said that anyder is in 1.0.
Many times.
He wore that tag out of his own choice. It was known to us he was a clan helper.
In your sceenshot Anyder just used a name. If you look correctly he is the only not 212 member and he merced for the clan
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:41:10 PM
We know anyder is also Ashley Purdy and he is seen on the screenshot below as a co-leader of 212. I asked why he was allowed to multiclan, but no admins listened to me. So is he really in 1.0 or 212 or PRO or UEF?
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 31, 2013, 02:27:21 PM
In other words
·PRO = Anyder's 1.0version Clan (Rank: BozZ)
·UEF = Anyder's SWBF/SWBF2 Or any other game's Clan (Rank: Sqd. Co-Leader)
·212 = not my clan, im a mercenary/clan helper
·1.0 = Anyder's ICW Clan (Rank: Leader inherited from PRO Clan)
Quote from: evosoul on August 31, 2013, 02:42:46 PM
In your sceenshot Anyder just used a name. If you look correctly he is the only not 212 member and he merced for the clan
Well how do I know what clan he is really in? At the time UEF was still in the tournament. It's interesting that he had the rank of co-leader of 212. He didn't have a merc. like he was supposed to, so how would I know?
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:45:53 PM
Well how do I know what clan he is really in? At the time UEF was still in the tournament. It's interesting that he had the rank of co-leader of 212. He didn't have a merc. like he was supposed to, so how would I know?
Why are u crying on i didnt use the mercenary rank ?
The following is my opinion as an admin and not the final say.
I've decided that YAK defended Harbour, but lost Russia.
On Harbour, Rage and I were at the main Republic CP towards the beginning of the match (via tank). I got out of the tank and I almost had the CP captured, until a jet killed me. That one CP would have changed the outcome of the battle, in my opinion. I also want to let YAK keep Harbour because we were outnumbered by the end of the match, but the rules aren't very clear on what happens when people lag out or crash.
I believe that 1.0 defended Russia because YAK is made up of several different clans; PLA, FC, Alpha, DarkSith, and several clanless members. The rules do not clearly state if multiclanning is allowed and, technically, YAK would be multiclanning as well.
There really isn't any need for more arguement. Everything that happened has been said and Oven can review our posts and decide who won what.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 31, 2013, 02:47:49 PM
Why are u crying on i didnt use the mercenary rank ?
Because it means you are a 212 co-leader. But I'll shut up and let Oven decide.
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:45:53 PM
Well how do I know what clan he is really in? At the time UEF was still in the tournament. It's interesting that he had the rank of co-leader of 212. He didn't have a merc. like he was supposed to, so how would I know?
that's the admins job to know who is a merc
What about that little thing of someone switching sides and taking a tank?
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:49:21 PM
Because it means you are a 212 co-leader. But I'll shut up and let Oven decide.
He used co leader because who would really believe Anyder would turn into a co leader just like that.. in other words merc.
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
The following is my opinion as an admin and not the final say.
I've decided that YAK defended Harbour, but lost Russia.
On Harbour, Rage and I were at the main Republic CP towards the beginning of the match (via tank). I got out of the tank and I almost had the CP captured, until a jet killed me. That one CP would have changed the outcome of the battle, in my opinion. I also want to let YAK keep Harbour because we were outnumbered by the end of the match, but the rules aren't very clear on what happens when people lag out or crash.
I believe that 1.0 defended Russia because YAK is made up of several different clans; PLA, FC, Alpha, DarkSith, and several clanless members. The rules do not clearly state if multiclanning is allowed and, technically, YAK would be multiclanning as well.
There really isn't any need for more arguement. Everything that happened has been said and Oven can review our posts and decide who won what.
YAK stole a tank which changed the outcome of the game
You could have used logical thinking. If you look at the screenshot and think logical about it than it is more than obvios. and besides that. There is no rule which says which name a merc. needs to use. If there is it dont stand in in the "ICW3 Rules and General Information" thread. And that is the official rules thread or not?
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
The following is my opinion as an admin and not the final say.
I've decided that YAK defended Harbour, but lost Russia.
On Harbour, Rage and I were at the main Republic CP towards the beginning of the match (via tank). I got out of the tank and I almost had the CP captured, until a jet killed me. That one CP would have changed the outcome of the battle, in my opinion. I also want to let YAK keep Harbour because we were outnumbered by the end of the match, but the rules aren't very clear on what happens when people lag out or crash.
I believe that 1.0 defended Russia because YAK is made up of several different clans; PLA, FC, Alpha, DarkSith, and several clanless members. The rules do not clearly state if multiclanning is allowed and, technically, YAK would be multiclanning as well.
There really isn't any need for more arguement. Everything that happened has been said and Oven can review our posts and decide who won what.
u say that cause ur clan lost both games
Its stupid that cause ur team lost, u wanna use the admin rights u have for trying to quit us the maps we have fairly won.
I see u only talk on the moment Nico took Jet, but what about what ur team did by quitting our tank ? Why dont u talk on kishan's insults which i have pics of ?
Quote from: SirPimped on August 31, 2013, 02:49:21 PM
Because it means you are a 212 co-leader. But I'll shut up and let Oven decide.
well, u can ALWAYS check sites and see if the person is coleader, member, orga, or whatever
Sha zam to clear something up for you : in the rules it states that an admin counts the players at the start of the match this wi be the starting turn out. If the attacking or defending side has a player that will join later i this is taken into consideration. If it a player leaves or laggs out it still stays the same, however unfortunate. Happened to me on mos which made it a 2vs3 which seemed unfair as we were the defending team but the countdown had ready been made therefore it was fine so we couldn't complain. I hope this is clear. Sorry for spelling errors ;)
So from what I hear the sides were fair until players started crashing and lagging out. But this was already into the match so if that is the reason for not awarding 212 harbour maybe rethink?
Im not trying to be disrespectful.
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
The following is my opinion as an admin and not the final say.
I've decided that YAK defended Harbour, but lost Russia.
On Harbour, Rage and I were at the main Republic CP towards the beginning of the match (via tank). I got out of the tank and I almost had the CP captured, until a jet killed me. That one CP would have changed the outcome of the battle, in my opinion. I also want to let YAK keep Harbour because we were outnumbered by the end of the match, but the rules aren't very clear on what happens when people lag out or crash.
I believe that 1.0 defended Russia because YAK is made up of several different clans; PLA, FC, Alpha, DarkSith, and several clanless members. The rules do not clearly state if multiclanning is allowed and, technically, YAK would be multiclanning as well.
There really isn't any need for more arguement. Everything that happened has been said and Oven can review our posts and decide who won what.
Um you left out the part where your member switched sides to steal a tank back.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128781585 this one shows the switched member.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128781597 this one shows the YAK member in our base.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128781598 This one shows them driving it back to their CP.
Yes we had a slight Jet problem IN THE BEGINNING (Nico). Not by the time the 2nd Tank came to our cp. As witness by Birdo(jamman) and me.
Gen.Hond{snp}: And If we had a problem with Mercs why did no ICW Admin address this? Why wasn't this talked about? No one complained until after the Fact. We did not cheat or use to many mercs. Any issue that you had should of been said in the beginning and not now. Its after the fact and we won fairly. You don't complain about after you lose. Say something next time IN THE BEGINNING!
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xAi80ShG0I
Gen.Hond{snp}: Did you take the 2nd tank that yak left? And how did they die?
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: ya i took it
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: it was int he crevice
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: rage and someone else drove it there
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: they jumped out and died
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: the tank was about to die
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: i hopped into it healed it a little
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: and then drove it to the repair droid
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: i think they died
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: from jumping into the crevice
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: you know that crevice?
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: i PERSONALLY took both the tanks
No jet killed them. And it was their fault for hoping out of the tank so we got it back.
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 02:48:38 PM
The following is my opinion as an admin and not the final say.
I believe that 1.0 defended Russia because YAK is made up of several different clans; PLA, FC, Alpha, DarkSith, and several clanless members. The rules do not clearly state if multiclanning is allowed and, technically, YAK would be multiclanning as well.
well yak was made to have clanless members or people from clans with not enough members, 1.0 and 212 are participating as clans and had members from other clans who were not mercs which i think counts as multiclanning
Yak was made ultimately for that purpose, you are right but how is it multiclanning if the player isnt in the tournament anymore? If he had 2 Clans who are in the tournament. As Example, If a player is an active member in 1.0 and an active member in 212 than you are correct. But if the player is in one clan who is in the tournament and in one who is not in the tournament. How can it be multiclanning in this tournament?
I did not personally see our member switch sides and take a tank, but I have seen proof now so believe there should either be a rematch, or 212 should have Harbour.
If you guys all think I'm so biased, find your own unbiased admin and see how that goes for you. Just because I make a decision that benifits YAK and not your clan, you want to pull the biased admin card. Do you see anyone from YAK siding with 212 on this? No. Do you see any 212 or 1.0 members siding with YAK? No.
How is it that I am so biased for siding with YAK on some things, and yet, when your members all side with what would benifit you more, it isn't biased?
We wanna know what Scorp thinks
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 03:23:59 PM
I did not personally see our member switch sides and take a tank, but I have seen proof now so believe there should either be a rematch, or 212 should have Harbour.
If you guys all think I'm so biased, find your own unbiased admin and see how that goes for you. Just because I make a decision that benifits YAK and not your clan, you want to pull the biased admin card. Do you see anyone from YAK siding with 212 on this? No. Do you see any 212 or 1.0 members siding with YAK? No.
How is it that I am so biased for siding with YAK on some things, and yet, when your members all side with what would benifit you more, it isn't biased?
Epfire Sided with us.
Well evosoul 212 and 1.0 are both still active in the tournament
Alright, excuse me for not knowing because i have been gone from the community for... idk how long now, all i know is i found my swbf disc yesterday and went through a number of steps to play today, then i was contacted by first Hond to ask if i would merc. I told him I would (I was rather pleased that I would play with people so sudden) and then Mart Told me that 212 had a match at 4 EST so, as it is my clan i was to join them. But as you have seen i didn't really help in the first match with 1.0 i do belive that before i crashed i only had 3 kills and had died 10 times.
Edit:They did the same thing to me as they did baby
ALSO YAK started shooting at me and hit me before the battle started on Russia
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 03:28:12 PM
Epfire Sided with us.
I meant in reguards to the final outcome of the battle, not our strategy.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on August 31, 2013, 03:27:59 PM
We wanna know what Scorp thinks
Quote from: BlackScorpion on August 31, 2013, 02:08:40 PM
As it stands now, 212 defeated YAK on Harbor.
But... 212 used a jet (I saw) that moved around a tank and killed players capturing a command post.
It's up to Oven if this'll stand. Before I asked Shazam's opinion, I thought that 212's use of jet could potentially warrant a forfeit of their attack and Shazam agreed.
Why can't we just reschedule Russia and Harbour for the same time next Saturday? It would not take up our 2 attack's for next week.
Because ShaZam for all we know the exact same thing could happen
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 03:50:41 PM
I meant in reguards to the final outcome of the battle, not our strategy.
Why can't we just reschedule Russia and Harbour for the same time next Saturday? It would not take up our 2 attack's for next week.
This has just proved YAK is a lose clan...
If u dont win, reamatch
If u win, no rematch, ... pretty sad, i rly didnt expect this from u guys
Plus, only u and YAK find this fair, nobody else...
Quote from: {212}FrenchFryZ on August 31, 2013, 03:52:22 PM
Because ShaZam for all we know the exact same thing could happen
But we'll be more organized next time. There will be a few designated free-camers to record the entire match! There won't be any cheating or rule-breaking, right everyone? :wall:
I crashed twice and was not able to appear on the final scoreboard due to RL obligations. The battle started a little late.
Rematch? I don't like that idea... If you want YAK can attack it back..
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 03:58:17 PM
Rematch? I don't like that idea... If you want YAK can attack it back..
Agree.
Quote from: Kelle on August 31, 2013, 03:58:06 PM
But we'll be more organized next time. There will be a few designated free-camers to record the entire match! There won't be any cheating or rule-breaking, right everyone? :wall:
I crashed twice and was not able to appear on the final scoreboard due to RL obligations. The battle started a little late.
Thats why he wants a rematch, cause now he knows our tactics, what we can do and what we will do.
Like mart said, attack it back next week
Quote from: Shazam on August 31, 2013, 03:50:41 PM
I meant in reguards to the final outcome of the battle, not our strategy.
Why can't we just reschedule Russia and Harbour for the same time next Saturday? It would not take up our 2 attack's for next week.
and clearly, Epifire said: "Yeah, not sure how you guys plan on nailing foul play though."
Pay me a million dollars then I'll do a rematch on Russia....recon spamming = YAK plan
You angry people probably won't care; But I think you're taking the game a little too seriously.
Honestly, if you say you lost because of a Imperial jet trooper, either he is really good at what he does, or you suck, I'll let you decide.
Either way, you don't have to cry about it in public and make a big scene of yourself. Cause the fact is; we all don't care if your poor feelings are hurt.
If you have a problem, just tell an Oven or any of the other admins. Let them sort it out.
Its just a game, so grow up and don't feed the trolls. And if I start whining, then throw this in my face.
--
Don't think I'm biased just because I'm a 212 either, I'm not exactly proud of what happened today, and I wasn't even there.
It was a republic jet, the easiest unit to kill, haha, I'm not even sure if he got a kill.
Quote from: Ten Numb on August 31, 2013, 04:48:52 PM
It was a republic jet, the easiest unit to kill, haha, I'm not even sure if he got a kill.
Wow, thats even worse xD
All I know is that when 212 knew we were out of tank support they rushed in with theirs to widen the reinforcements gap. That put them within at least a forty man lead and I'm certain we would have won had that not happened.
Either way we got ourselves to blame about the tanks for losing them.
1: If some dude comes over the mountain and takes your tank before you do something is wrong there. I know there are rules about Jets and I understand that but what I find more unnerving is the fact we hadn't secured pilots on them in the first place.
2: Next time you get pilots make sure they don't go bum rushing the enemy main with no support. I was gunner on one where a guy drove the AAT into the pit behind the Rep main and lost us our last vehicle.
I'm just fighting with clans where I may but seriously YAK could have easily prevented this loss if they had some sort of direction. Just get your team in a chat room before the game starts and figure out who is going what class and what the game plan is. All I can say is that it was an utter mess.
Quote from: -RepublicCommando- on August 31, 2013, 04:46:50 PM
You angry people probably won't care; But I think you're taking the game a little too seriously.
Honestly, if you say you lost because of a Imperial jet trooper, either he is really good at what he does, or you suck, I'll let you decide.
Either way, you don't have to cry about it in public and make a big scene of yourself. Cause the fact is; we all don't care if your poor feelings are hurt.
If you have a problem, just tell an Oven or any of the other admins. Let them sort it out.
Its just a game, so grow up and don't feed the trolls. And if I start whining, then throw this in my face.
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Don't think I'm biased just because I'm a 212 either, I'm not exactly proud of what happened today, and I wasn't even there.
why even post if you witnessed 0 of what happened
Well, I think it's pretty obvious about what they're complaining about, and it's unnecessary.
If something else happened -as I have said above- feel free to tell an admin.
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: post on the forums
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: to kishan
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: this message
WUSIleader.Birdosrus|>*<|: you would know what happened kishan since you were the one who stole the tank to make it respawn.
Message from Birdo.
I was using the name girish and I wasn't in a tank all game birdy
I do not know if it is coincidental that The original amount of Yak complaining has dropped. To me this indicates that the evidence is fairly clear about the tank and that situation, so I'd say that YAK, I would say cheated, but O am not sure exactly who the YAK player was of he was fake or not :/
Both teams had players that cheated and I saw people saying things that make me ashamed to be a part of this community but it's a new day and I'm feeling optimistic so lets look at it another way; we just played the biggest battles of the past year on a game that some people said was dying after the Gamespy shutdown.
It is just a game and we're having the best battles I've played in ages so let's not let a few mistakes ruin it and just enjoy the fact that there's so many of us having fun. :)
That YAK player was Rage, why do you think he's not posting in this thread as much..
maybe because it was midnight? usually when people sleep they post less
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on September 01, 2013, 03:49:18 AM
Both teams had players that cheated and I saw people saying things that make me ashamed to be a part of this community but it's a new day and I'm feeling optimistic so lets look at it another way; we just played the biggest battles of the past year on a game that some people said was dying after the Gamespy shutdown.
It is just a game and we're having the best battles I've played in ages so let's not let a few mistakes ruin it and just enjoy the fact that there's so many of us having fun. :)
This.
Just let Scorp say his view of things since he was the admin of that match and then Oven can have the last word.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 01, 2013, 05:43:51 AM
That YAK player was Rage, why do you think he's not posting in this thread as much..
I only took the tank that your jet player took. SP and I both saw this happen.
Also 1.0 still hasn't picked sides for kastel. I thought there was a new policy against stalling until the last minute?
1.0 is emp (source: their homepage)
Yes, 1.0 is Emp. I thought Hond said that in his post but I was mistaken. Sorry for last second.
Quote from: evosoul on August 31, 2013, 02:35:55 PM
Allright guys, I don't know if you want my opinion but I will give it anyway :P
The rules are not clear in the case that players who are out of the tournament (like the Enten players) are not allowed to join another clan for the tournament.
UEF left the tournament 2 weeks ago and Anyder changed the Clan. Oven Allowed or not? And even if not, he played for 1.0 against Yak in the last week. And no one bats an eye. This week, yak lost the battles against 1.0 and now they are saying that Anyder isnt allowed to play? Why now and not last week? I dont want to insult any of the Yak Players. But if they are only arguing when they lose than they couldn't admit a defeat.
Jumper is a member of the Enten who is already out of Tournament and joined 1.0 for the rest of it.
Killfire was an independent player in this tournament who merced for yak and 1.0 but he decided to join forces with 1.0 for the rest of the tournament.
Sammy is a regular member of 1.0
erweitert joined 1.0 for this tournament too.
Anyder = i explained it on the top :P
With Jumper, Killfire, Sammy, erweitert and Anyder 1.0 had12 regular members (due to the rules) and 5 mercs.
and there is a rule that says:
"In a match, at most one-third (1/3) of the players on a clan's side may be non-clan members. In other words, a 2:1 ration of clan:nonclan must be obeyed."
they had more than enough regular players and was allowed to use the rest as mercs.
Evosoul and Hond say that 1.0 used 12 members and 5 mercs, however Dark Phantom confirmed that 'Erweitert' and 'Killfire' are MERCs not MEMBERs. Also Dark Phantom told me Anyder is not a real member of 1.0 so he counts as a merc, so that puts it at 7 confirmed members 8 confirmed mercs.
Additionally Dark Phantom says he is not sure if 'better off dead' and 'engel' are real 1.0 members, that they could be mercs too, so that means even if they were members then 1.0 used 9 members and 8 mercs. If they weren't members, then 1.0 used 10 mercs and 7 members.
Evosoul is not even a 1.0 member according to Dark Phantom so it is interesting that he is lying for 1.0 to cover up the fact their clan did not follow the 2:1 merc rule.
Real 1.0 members:
- Civic
- Anime
- Jed
- Super
- Family / Babyeater
- Jumper
- Sammy
1.0 Mercenaries:
- Killfire
- Erweitert
- Anyder
- Wusi Wild
- Nico
- Troy
- 212 Dirty harry
- FrenchFryZ
Possibly Members or Mercenaries (DP is unsure):
- Better Off Dead
- Engel
Dark Phantom has confirmed that the above list is accurate. 1.0 did not follow the mercenary rule for Russia battle, so that is why we request a rematch. We accept losses only when the enemy clan doesn't cheat to win (ie. using too many mercs, using jets to kill our CPers like shazam, stealing tanks with jets). YAK never cheated in the russia battle, and I admit that I cheated once on Harbor but only because they used jets: to kill shazam while he was cping. and to steal sirpimpes tank which was halfway up the mountain when he fell out. I thought it was only fair since they stole our last tank using a Clone Jet but I was mistaken. However I feel a rematch is in order because YAK only cheated once on harbor, 212 cheated at least twice on harbor (using jet after blackscorpion told them to stop was the first, as the jet did not respawn until after he killed shazam. second time was jetting up to take the empty CIS tank on mountain which i was trying to destroy with recons). And on russia, 1.0 cheated by using too many merc, and yak did not cheat. So I will leave this evidence here for Oven to examine and determine the appropriate course of action.
Uh, the jet took the tank? That's not true. The part about a jet killing shazam, I don't know since I have no proof or neither does Yak, and having a jet was not on our tactics, was BS on our teamchat? If he was he could clearly see everyone telling nico 'no jet'.
212 takes Harbor from YAK. I am terribly sorry for all of the confusion and chaos. Penalties will be decided later for the jet(s) and for our member that switched sides.
1.0 defends Russia from YAK, but a penalty may be given to 1.0 if Oven finds that they had too many mercenaries.
For today's battles, participants may only choose one clan to play with, and they may be a mercenary for the rest. If they are not wearing mercenary tags, they will be asked to leave or will be booted. IPs will be checked to make sure this rule is followed. Also, all battles will be recorded from now on. It's hard to take people's word on what happened when I'm hearing two different sides of the story. Recording the battles should eliminate this problem.
I also think stock map servers should be hosted with a mission.lvl mod preventing special units, from now on. It's a very simple mod and will force anyone that selects special class to spawn as a different unit.
Please do not argue about yesterday's battles anymore. What's done is done.
This is today's schedule, if I am correct:
Attacking clan: 1.0
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Eddies Kastel
YAK's side: Rebels
Day/time: Sunday, 2:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: 1.0
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Kamino: Tipoca City
YAK's side: Republic
Day/time: Sunday, 3:00 PM EST
Attacking clan: 212
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Mustafar: Refinery
YAK's side: Rebels
Day/time: Sunday, 4:00 PM EST
Please let me know if any of that is incorrect.
Good luck to everyone! Let's have some great battles today.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 01, 2013, 09:50:30 AM
Uh, the jet took the tank? That's not true. The part about a jet killing shazam, I don't know since I have no proof or neither does Yak, and having a jet was not on our tactics, was BS on our teamchat? If he was he could clearly see everyone telling nico 'no jet'.
yeah a jet did take it i showed shazam the spot and BS was on YAKs team chat
Please PM each other if you want to continue talking about Saturday's battles. We're putting that behind us.
Kastel GCW, Kamino CW, and Mustafar GCW are up with 40 slots.
Erweitert and I joined 1.0 for the ICW, so we count as members.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on September 01, 2013, 10:34:56 AM
Erweitert and I joined 1.0 for the ICW, so we count as members.
You may merc for 212 then.
YAK defends Kastel. Good game, 1.0!
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Wild and Gdh recorded the match as they played, but there were no problems. :)
1.0 takes Kamino.
For the next battle, please note that if you were a member of 1.0 that you may only play with 212 if you are a mercenary and we will be following the 2:1 member-mercenary rule.
1.0 takes kamino.
several yak did not follow strategy, and we accept this loss.
thought i saw a CIS sniper shoot thru wall once, but didnt see anything after that.
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 12:38:26 PM
1.0 takes kamino.
several yak did not follow strategy, and we accept this loss.
thought i saw a CIS sniper shoot thru wall once, but didnt see anything after that.
And i have a video of sir pimped jumping out of a wall at me on kastel but no complaints :)
I'd like to request a Ban of Majesty in the ICW3.
Every game she/he has been it she/he has always made rude remarks to our players. At first it was little things but now it has come to my attention to ask an Admin to do something about it. It really erupted today at Kamino.
Please look at the chats.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787232 First thing Maj said.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787237 this one is viewer discretion advise for young viewers and in this case is has Majesty with the F bomb calling us Hippos(LoL)
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787245 this one is also calling Anyder a nose of a Hippo?
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787247 This one has Shazam having to kick Majesty out and Majesty is like "I DONT CARE AHAHAHA"
There were other things said but i don't have all the pics
GG's on Kastel and Kamino.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 12:41:33 PM
I'd like to request a Ban of Majesty in the ICW3.
Every game she/he has been it she/he has always made rude remarks to our players. At first it was little things but now it has come to my attention to ask an Admin to do something about it. It really erupted today at Kamino.
Please look at the chats.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787232 First thing Maj said.
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787237 this one is viewer discretion advise for young viewers and in this case is has Majesty with the F bomb calling us Hippos(LoL)
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787245 this one is also calling Anyder a nose of a Hippo?
http://www.xfire.com/screenshots/128787247 This one has Shazam having to kick Majesty out and Majesty is like "I DONT CARE AHAHAHA"
There were other things said but i don't have all the pics
+1
She is only insulting IN ALL MATCHES. And we got pics of it.
I've got many more pics..
I haven't really kept up with this thread but from what I have seen, I support the ban of this "Majesty" person. Also, if there's anyone cheating, you are doing YOURSELF a disservice. I would rather lose, knowing I played my best, than win, knowing I had to cheat to do it. Especially for any YAK who are cheating, you are dishonoring me and Unit 33.
Cheating only puts you in the category of "noob." If you want to be known for something, be known for fairness. I encourage all of you to stick to the rules, even when you will lose. It is far more honorable than an unfair win.
Now, I do not know who all cheats, or even if anyone has. But I just wanted to put that out there for all involved. Continue on having a clean fun tournament!
Quote from: Snake on September 01, 2013, 01:16:56 PM
Especially for any YAK who are cheating, you are dishonoring me and Unit 33.
That's right naughty YAKs!
You've let the community down,
you've let YAK down,
but most of all...
You've let yourself down.
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Unofficial*Official* King of the moderators has spoken
But, eh, pay no attention to that man behind the curtain..!
BAHAHA! - Unit 33
YAK defends Mustafar.
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Majesty is no longer allowed to play with YAK under any circumstances.
Quote from: hellish hellbird on September 01, 2013, 12:39:29 PM
And i have a video of sir pimped jumping out of a wall at me on kastel but no complaints :)
lets be honest i was testing roofs to snipe from on kastel and half the building are glitchable (hard to know what exactly cuz no height limit). probably just an honest mistake and at least he didnt shoot u from inside the wall. i doubt sp would glitchi ntentionally in a war
Good games all around. We are also tired of Majesty cursing and we are deciding if we will be kicking him out of YAK or not. Also, I did not wall hack. I was walking up to the wall to look around the corner and I went right through it. I had no idea that the wall wasn't solid. I can video it for proof. I will update that shortly.
Quote from: SirPimped on September 01, 2013, 01:52:53 PM
Good games all around. We are also tired of Majesty cursing and we are deciding if we will be kicking him out of YAK or not. Also, I did not wall hack. I was walking up to the wall to look around the corner and I went right through it. I had no idea that the wall wasn't solid. I can video it for proof. I will update that shortly.
Majesty was asked to cuss in team chat not public chat, and violated our wishes more than once. So yeah I also agree that Majesty should be kicked if need be. Although I respect Majesty as a player for his skill and dedication, YAK cannot afford to have repetitive offenders of the ICW rules making us look bad.
Here is the video I just recorded of the go through wall on Eddie's Kastle. I was just as surprised as Birdo when I went through it. Not my fault that part of the map was poorly made.
http://www.xfire.com/video/60ecbb
Good fun games today. Thanks everyone. It was nice to see (almost) everyone getting along.
Here are my standard camera videos for any admin needs or if you just enjoy watching me repeatedly fail. ;)
Kamino; http://www.xfire.com/videos/60ec7e
Kastel; http://www.xfire.com/videos/60ec64
I'll see if I can put the video quality up next time. :)
Quote from: SirPimped on September 01, 2013, 01:52:53 PM
We are also tired of Majesty cursing and we are deciding if we will be kicking him out of YAK or not.
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 01:55:29 PM
Majesty was asked to cuss in team chat not public chat, and violated our wishes more than once. So yeah I also agree that Majesty should be kicked if need be. Although I respect Majesty as a player for his skill and dedication, YAK cannot afford to have repetitive offenders of the ICW rules making us look bad.
Quote from: Shazam on September 01, 2013, 01:48:24 PM
Majesty is no longer allowed to play with YAK under any circumstances.
;)
1.0 and 212, I wouldn't let Majesty play with you either, but it's your choice.
GG on mustafar, again another close match.
Only complaint was majesty cussing despite being warned.
I know there is a rule already on cussing but maybe it should be made even clearer. However with majesty out of YAK it should not occur as often if at all.
Quote from: Shazam on September 01, 2013, 02:00:42 PM
1.0 and 212, I wouldn't let Majesty play with you either, but it's your choice.
We dont wanna play with Majesty if she is gonna be flaming and insulting the whole match. In other words (as we know she will do this always) we dont want her in the server where we will play ICW Matches.
Also, i'd like to say, that its funny how this time, 212 has broken the merc rule, but as YAK won, there are no complaints/arguements.
Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on September 01, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
We dont wanna play with Majesty if she is gonna be :censored: and insulting the whole match. In other words (as we know she will do this always) we dont want her in the server where we will play ICW Matches.
Also, i'd like to say, that its funny how this time, 212 has broken the merc rule, but as YAK won, there are no complaints/arguements.
you guys won on kamino and we aren't complaining (because the merc rule was apparently followed this time). you broke the merc rule on RUSSIA which i have already explained.
i know majesty cussed alot and he was kicked from YAK because of it, but please dont cuss here too.
We only had 2 mercs ....
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 04:10:56 PM
you guys won on kamino and we aren't complaining (because the merc rule was apparently followed this time). you broke the merc rule on RUSSIA which i have already explained.
i know majesty cussed alot and he was kicked from YAK because of it, but please dont cuss here too.
The Merc rule on Russia was followed. We have explained it many times.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 04:41:19 PM
The Merc rule on Russia was followed. We have explained it many times.
you used just as many merc, if not more, than members. certainly not 2:1 as dp confirmed this over PM and i have posted evidence for oven to examine.
Mercs: 4
Dirty Harry (212)
FrenchFry (212)
KF
Engel (212)
1.0 members: 14
Wild
Anime
Super
Sammy
Menace
Civic
Jed
"family"
Nico
Erweitert (Anyders brother in 1.0)
Anyder (Member of PRO who is in 1.0 clan)
Troy (Another member for 1.0 in the icw3 who isn't from a previous icw3 clan)
Jumper (Joined after Enten Dropped)
Better Off Dead (Another member for 1.0 in the icw3 who isn't from a previous icw3 clan)
The only thing Arguable here is that whether a member of a previous clan of the icw3 is allowed to join a different clan during it. Which is Ovens choice. If you guys had a problem about it why was it not said at the beginning of the match before it was played? Why did no admin have a problem about it during the beginnning?
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 04:54:05 PM
The only thing Arguable here is that whether a member of a previous clan of the icw3 is allowed to join a different clan during it. Which is Ovens choice. If you guys had a problem about it why was it not said at the beginning of the match before it was played? Why did no admin have a problem about it during the beginnning?
cuz most were namefakers, my previous post here is the accurate list
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7003.msg75014#msg75014
it is up to oven to compare the lists and decide what to think from here.
Ok so Phobos, ure saying that u know better 1.0 clan we do.
That u PERFECTLY know which members are in, and which ones, not.
:rofl:
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Quote from: {U.E.F} Anyder on September 01, 2013, 05:11:08 PM
Ok so Phobos, ure saying that u know better 1.0 clan we do.
That u PERFECTLY know which members are in, and which ones, not.
:rofl:
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uh no not saying that never did
i said i believe what dark phantom said is accurate as far as 1.0 goes since hes leader of 1.0
I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing. Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.
The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans. The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out. If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed. If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc
- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works. Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag
Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)
Quote from: Dark_Phantom on September 01, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing. Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.
The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans. The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out. If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed. If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc
- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works. Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag
Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)
Thanks Phantom for clearing things up. As you see only Harry, Fry, Engel, and KF were Mercs.
Thank you for clearing that up, Phantom. As it stands, 1.0 does indeed keep Russia, but it is ultimately Oven's decision whether or not past ICW3 members (from clans that have already been eliminated) are allowed to join another clan without being a mercenary.
Can we just leave it at that and let Oven make his decision? Oven has enough posts to read as it is. :P
Quote from: Shazam on September 01, 2013, 05:34:24 PM
Thank you for clearing that up, Phantom. As it stands, 1.0 does indeed keep Russia, but it is ultimately Oven's decision whether or not past ICW3 members (from clans that have already been eliminated) are allowed to join another clan without being a mercenary.
U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 01, 2013, 05:44:21 PM
U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.
YAK's members are clearly stated here [spoiler]http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6882.msg75067#new[/spoiler] and everyone else is a merc.
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 01, 2013, 05:44:21 PM
U kidding me ?
For me (as for many people) the rule of mercenary 2:1 is stupid.
Everybody can join YAK (even before the match), but when its another clan, then, it isnt possible.
It's entirely different for a bunch of clans to join ONE participating tournament clan and only play for that ONE clan during the whole tournament, than for say members who decide to join MULTIPLE clans participating in the tournament. The latter is unfair because it lets players who do this work together and attack 4 planets per week instead of 2. Members of YAK do not work together with other participating clans to take advantage of the limit of 2 attacks per week. We only participate as members of one clan for the tournament, while 1.0 and 212 don't.
Quote from: Dark_Phantom on September 01, 2013, 05:18:25 PM
I believe Majesty should be banned from the ICW3 for blatantly disobeying rules which he/she was clearly warned about many times in servers, repeatedly saying "idc" or something like that, and continuing. Poor sportsmanship is not on my list of top things to endorse.
The issue currently in question is whether clans that were previously in ICW3 are allowed to join other clans. The players that were listed as mercs, most of them had their clans knocked out. If those players are allowed to join other clans, then the merc rule was followed. If not, then the battle at Russia was lost.
Members under question:
(Phobos Post)
- Killfire - merc
- Erweitert - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Anyder - A UEF who joined 1.0
- Wusi Wild - A WUSI, most WUSI members left joined 1.0 for ICW
- Nico - Nico is a member, confirmed
- Troy - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- 212 Dirty harry - merc
- FrenchFryZ - merc
- Better Off Dead - A WUSI, joined 1.0
- Engel - umm we really aren't sure how this one works. Says not aligned with any clan, yet no merc tag
Also, most EnTen members joined 1.0 for remainder of ICW3 (Jumper, Deagle, etc.)
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 05:25:52 PM
Thanks Phantom for clearing things up. As you see only Harry, Fry, Engel, and KF were Mercs.
Since Dark Phantom and Hond are saying these wusi members are all in 1.0, then 212 used too many mercs on harbor.
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Confirmed Mercs:- Anyder
- Jamman
Confirmed 1.0 members pretending to be 212 members (therefore also confirmed mercs) These members use 212 tag yesterday as "official 212 members" and today they used 1.0 tags as "official 1.0 members":- BabyEater (wears 212 tags yesterday, mustafar today)
- Wild (again used 1.0 tags today but 212 yesterday)
- ElmoTech (another wusi from 1.0 switching tags for battles)
- Jumper (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
- Nico (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
Actual 212 members:- Engel
- Zero
- Sonic
- FrenchFsryZ
- DirtyHarry
- Mart
So on Harbor, assuming what DP and Hond said is true, then 212 broke the merc rule by using only 6 real members and 7 mercs: 2 mercs with merc tag, and 5 players from 1.0 clan (confirmed by dark phantom and hond) who pretended to be actual members of 212.
Furthermore I thought Oven recently made a rule about players only being allowed to count as a member for ONE participating clan. If you are member of 1.0 you can only merc for 212, not play as actual member for both. Correct me if I'm wrong Oven but I see a clear violation of this rule by 212 and 1.0 members.
Edit:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/128783541-4.jpg
here you can also see better off dead and troy (official 1.0 members according to DP and hond) using the merc tags.
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 01, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
Also, i'd like to say, that its funny how this time, 212 has broken the merc rule, but as YAK won, there are no complaints/arguements.
Will answer u tomorrow, im going to sleep now.
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Although there might of been to many mercs. Lets not forget what YAK did with switching sides during the game to grab a tank back to their base that was taken by Birdo (who wasn't jet).
That is still unacceptable.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 07:11:50 PM
Although there might of been to many mercs. Lets not forget what YAK did with switching sides during the game to grab a tank back to their base that was taken by Birdo (who wasn't jet).
That is still unacceptable.
birdo might not have been the jet but there was someone who used jet to take the tank on mountain.
using jets is unacceptable especially after being told not to.
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 05:54:47 PM
Since Dark Phantom and Hond are saying these wusi members are all in 1.0, then 212 used too many mercs on harbor.
Confirmed Mercs:
- Anyder
- Jamman
Confirmed 1.0 members pretending to be 212 members (therefore also confirmed mercs) These members use 212 tag yesterday as "official 212 members" and today they used 1.0 tags as "official 1.0 members":
- BabyEater (wears 212 tags yesterday, mustafar today)
- Wild (again used 1.0 tags today but 212 yesterday)
- ElmoTech (another wusi from 1.0 switching tags for battles)
- Jumper (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
- Nico (hond and DP claims he joined 1.0)
Actual 212 members:
- Engel
- Zero
- Sonic
- FrenchFsryZ
- DirtyHarry
- Mart
So on Harbor, assuming what DP and Hond said is true, then 212 broke the merc rule by using only 6 real members and 7 mercs: 2 mercs with merc tag, and 5 players from 1.0 clan (confirmed by dark phantom and hond) who pretended to be actual members of 212.
Furthermore I thought Oven recently made a rule about players only being allowed to count as a member for ONE participating clan. If you are member of 1.0 you can only merc for 212, not play as actual member for both. Correct me if I'm wrong Oven but I see a clear violation of this rule by 212 and 1.0 members.
Edit:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/128783541-4.jpg
here you can also see better off dead and troy (official 1.0 members according to DP and hond) using the merc tags.
If you can only be an acting member of one clan, then I dropped the ball. That one's on me, not on 212.
Because it's my potential error, I'll defend it.
I see a broad interpretation of acting members.
Allowing for acting members, Oven wrote that "clans may declare non-members to be 'acting members' for the sake of counting in the ICW3, as long as those non-members are also non-members of the other 3 participating clans" and went on to say that "[t]hese 'acting members' are counted as clan members
in matches" (emphasis added).
That is, someone who is formally a member of a clan that is not participating in the ICW3, such as WUSI, can act as members for a game. Now, I purposefully emphasized matches. If someone is an acting president of a firm, for example, that means that they are temporarily president to fill a vacancy, keyword being temporarily. I emphasized "in matches," because it defines--in my opinion--the temporary duration. Namely, when the match is over, they are no longer an acting member and not covered by the restriction on members of the other 3 participating clans.
But I digress. It's a poor argument because Oven wrote "matches" not "match," which implies that one's status as an acting member is something that will happen more than once.
There is no where in the rule section where it says you're not allowed to quit a clan for a battle and join another for the next battle because that's what basically everybody has been doing. I don't see what the big deal is of quitting and joining. I'd rather see more people in battles playing swbf and let every one have a chance to participate.
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 07:23:20 PM
birdo might not have been the jet but there was someone who used jet to take the tank on mountain.
using jets is unacceptable especially after being told not to.
Then this will just make a good reminder to take a picture of anyone breaking the rules such as being a Jet. So far I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
And true people should know not to be jet, but switching sides and stealing tanks? That is just common sense. :o
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
Then this will just make a good reminder to take a picture of anyone breaking the rules such as being a Jet. So far I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
And true people should know not to be jet, but switching sides and stealing tanks? That is just common sense. :o
Common sense just like saying players on your team who used the MERC tag in a war are actual members of your clan, and then them also mercing for 212 saying they are in that clan, real funny.
And the battles will be battles recorded from now on according to Shazam
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 07:31:02 PM
Common sense just like saying players on your team who used the MERC tag in a war are actual members of your clan, and then them also mercing for 212 saying they are in that clan, real funny.
And the battles will be battles recorded from now on according to Shazam
I can join and quit clans all I want, you cant stop me lol
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 01, 2013, 07:29:11 PM
Then this will just make a good reminder to take a picture of anyone breaking the rules such as being a Jet. So far I don't see any evidence to show otherwise.
And true people should know not to be jet, but switching sides and stealing tanks? That is just common sense. :o
I'd rather avoid uploading large files (which is why I haven't uploaded today's Mustafar, as there doesn't seem to be too much controversy). I took a video of someone playing as a Jet trooper, but was unable to follow too closely because it was like a Kindergarten room and I'm not a former Governor of California.
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 01, 2013, 07:35:10 PM
I can join and quit clans all I want, you cant stop me lol
rules http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6989.msg74361#msg74361
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 07:37:56 PM
rules http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6989.msg74361#msg74361
Ya, what about them?
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 01, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
Ya, what about them?
not my problem if ya cant understand them.
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 01, 2013, 07:42:53 PM
RED, RED RED RED?
What a quality post.
Instead of taking shots at Rage, you could have at least referenced Oven on acting members, saying that "[he] can't regulate the internal structure of participating clans."
Apparently its not a rule because nothing has happened to me and the 10 other people haha
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 01, 2013, 07:55:03 PM
Apparently its not a rule because nothing has happened to me and the 10 other people haha
afaik oven hasnt been online to review the mass amount of posts including the new evidence to make a decision yet, and shazam clearly stated hes done all he can in this regard.
Quote from: Phobos on September 01, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
afaik oven hasnt been online to review the mass amount of posts including the new evidence to make a decision yet, and shazam clearly stated hes done all he can in this regard.
evidence like glitching through walls?
Quote from: WusiBabyEater on September 01, 2013, 08:00:26 PM
evidence like glitching through walls?
sp already addressed that, i was talking about the mercs.
There will be a rematch of Harbor and Russia next week. It will be played as if Saturday's matches never happened, but it will not count against a clan's two attacks for next week.
So, Russia will be played on Saturday, 3:00 PM EST and Harbor will be played at 4:00 PM EST. Teams will be the on the same side as they were this week.
The matches will be recorded to ensure there is not as much controversy as last time.
Please do not argue.
Quote from: OvenAny attempt to influence the opinions of any admin is also grounds for penalty, and if it happens multiple times, disqualification. Calling out another clan for starting early, or having too many members, is completely fine, but all other matters should be left in the admin’s hands.
Quote from: OvenThis is the official chain of command. Shazam has a special role: in the event of my absence when an important decision must be made, he is authorized to pull rank and enforce an executive decision by any means he deems necessary.
Not doing Rematch for Russia since it was clearly not one of the problems. The people who were accused of being a merc in Russia has already been solved.
Kamino was also won fairly.
If you wanted to do a rematch it would make more sense for Harbour maybe only. That is ridiculous!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
No rematches for either. This isn't funny.
Ahh Shazam edited. I was about to say that there was no debate on Kamino.
Since we determined Russia, Harbour is the only one in question right now I thought. Why are we rescheduling both?
I had Kamino in the first paragraph instead of Harbor on accident. :P
Phantom, we are rescheduling both because (hopefully) Oven will have a rule in place to determine whether or not past members may join another clan without being a mercenary.
Hond, feel free to criticize me through PM. Leave it off the forums.
If anyone wants to discuss this anymore, feel free to PM me or Oven, but let's not spam up the forums anymore.
Does anyone know where the crap Oven is? Cause if not, I am about to get seriously involved.
Quote from: Snake on September 01, 2013, 08:43:53 PM
Does anyone know where the crap Oven is? Cause if not, I am about to get seriously involved.
HOE LEE SCRAP :P
--
He wasn't responding to xfire (notifications or anything.)
How long has he been gone?
Quote from: Shazam on September 01, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
There will be a rematch of Harbor and Russia next week. It will be played as if Saturday's matches never happened, but it will not count against a clan's two attacks for next week.
So, Russia will be played on Saturday, 3:00 PM EST and Harbor will be played at 4:00 PM EST. Teams will be the on the same side as they were this week.
The matches will be recorded to ensure there is not as much controversy as last time.
Please do not argue.
A rematch on Harbor is probably for the best in the long run.
And Russia is, unfortunately, a necessary evil.
Quote from: BlackScorpion on September 01, 2013, 09:02:42 PM
A rematch on Harbor is probably for the best in the long run.
And Russia is, unfortunately, a necessary evil.
a minor request if nobody or admins opposed:
could dark phantom mod out the recons from both sides, at least for the russia battle? most players agree this map is more fun when actual units are fighting and not just hundreds of recons swarming everywhere.
there were at times 40 recons being used (default limit) as i could not even deploy a recon sometimes. it was not very fun.
You mean to tell me there were over 40 people in one server, all using recons?..
Talk about a noob fest.
Quote from: -RepublicCommando- on September 01, 2013, 09:21:33 PM
You mean to tell me there were over 40 people in one server, all using recons?..
Talk about a noob fest.
maybe the limit was lowered by dark phantom or its less than 40 for recons im not sure but i know for a fact almost everyone was using recons and it was really just a big boring spam fest.
No.
Here goes the truth:
Recons are allowed, if u dislike it, leave ICW3.
Also Sha Zam, how about stop being a bit dicatator, abusing of the admin rights that were given to u ? Admins should be neutral to each match, but as ure mad (cause its true, u are so mad, as the rest of your team cause u cant stand losing) cause u lost, ure saying that we have to do a rematch of each game u lost (Russia and Harbor).
U want a rematch cause ur team has LOST. When they win and they break rules like on mustafar u dont cry, so explain us, whats up ?
Also all ure crying on is stupid. U said that if the admin did nothing on Majesty's insults ingame, it didnt matter.
So now, We won Russia fairly, if u dislike recons, it is ur problem, not our's.
The use of recon tactic was done in the previous match 1.0 vs EnTen, and OVEN had no problem as he was the ADMIN INGAME.
On harbor, if u had any complaint, u could have told the admin by the beginning of the match, but no u shut ur mouth then, and say cr*p now, to try to penalize us or to do a rematch.
The rematch thing was done for those times a battle isnt really clear who should have won -- AND AS IN ICA, ICW2 AND ICW1 IT IS DONE AFTER THE REAL MATCH, not postponning it to next week or whatever.
So, now im done with u.
I'm really confused how we cheated on Mustafar? If anything majesty put YAK in that situation..
It needs to be announced if a side has not got enough members to non members before the battles, right? (2:1) - but this can be rounded to say 10-6.
@Snake, since Thursday I think.
I saw a vid of Russia with Enten and 1.0. It was a recon fest. It was complete recon for the last 70 odd tickets :P
using too many mercenaries, i checked the pic
Jason and Snipermax were only 2 mercs.
Sha-Zam - you say only the people on those lists although you have many others that are not there playing for you.
Delta,
Defiant,
Paksu-Pepe,
Dilipbhai (kishan?),
WarLord (Rage?),
Epifire,
iScout,
Ghost
They are all not on the list - some I know are just using other names such as AirBot that is why I put question marks by two of them.
You want to do a rematch on harbor because someone was jet? come on now...
This is the video i have made with birdo's vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFJTbIWhiU
Also Took some vids of kamino. I loved last frag lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za3uD3ADr3Y
Wow a rematch? Even after you decided that 212 took habour? Why can't they just attack it, without an extra attack.
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 02, 2013, 01:30:45 AM
No.
Here goes the truth:
Recons are allowed, if u dislike it, leave ICW3.
You leave, I was suggesting a rule for the admins to decide on, not you.
Quote from: -=(212) Nixo=- on September 02, 2013, 02:12:14 AM
Sha-Zam - you say only the people on those lists although you have many others that are not there playing for you.
Delta,
Defiant,
Paksu-Pepe,
Dilipbhai (kishan?),
WarLord (Rage?),
Epifire,
iScout,
Ghost
They are all not on the list - some I know are just using other names such as AirBot that is why I put question marks by two of them.
Delta/Diliphai = me
Defiant, PaksuPepe, Ghost, iScout are in FA and also YAK
Warlord = Majesty
Epifire is also YAK
they don't need to be on list shazam verified every yak member is legit we didn't use any 'mercs' its laughable u accuse us of using too many when we didn't use any
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 06:18:47 AM
You leave, I was suggesting a rule for the admins to decide on, not you.
Delta/Diliphai = me
Defiant, PaksuPepe, Ghost, iScout are in FA and also YAK
Warlord = Majesty
Epifire is also YAK
they don't need to be on list shazam verified every yak member is legit we didn't use any 'mercs' its laughable u accuse us of using too many when we didn't use any
I was not accussing you of anything. Merely replying to what sha zam said about every player on there being yak and everyone else is not officially in YAK.
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 02, 2013, 05:28:10 AM
This is the video i have made with birdo's vids.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sFJTbIWhiU
Also Took some vids of kamino. I loved last frag lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za3uD3ADr3Y
you didn't make anything anyder you just dragged and drop pointless clips that show nothing without doing a thing to them :XD:
Quote from: Kniescheibenzerschredderer on September 02, 2013, 02:02:18 AM
using too many mercenaries, i checked the pic
Quote from: -=(212) Nixo=- on September 02, 2013, 07:27:47 AM
I was not accussing you of anything. Merely replying to what sha zam said about every player on there being yak and everyone else is not officially in YAK.
ok well i hope this list clears things up regarding yak members
i suppose shazam should update that list sometime
Nixo, I don't keep that list as updated as our member list on the YAK board. I apologize.
Scorpion and I are in agreement that the Russia battle should have recons disabled.
Quote from: Shazam on September 02, 2013, 07:53:52 AM
Scorpion and I are in agreement that the Russia battle should have recons disabled.
sweet now we will see what happens when there's actual fighting involved
Quote from: Shazam on September 02, 2013, 07:53:52 AM
Nixo, I don't keep that list as updated as our member list on the YAK board. I apologize.
Scorpion and I are in agreement that the Russia battle should have recons disabled.
It is fine xD
Quote from: [FC]Kishan on September 02, 2013, 07:33:02 AM
you didn't make anything anyder you just dragged and drop pointless clips that show nothing without doing a thing to them :XD:
Wow thank god Birdo was videoing that and caught SirPimped. Kishan do you have eyes? He was clearly already in the glitch waiting for someone to pass by. His cross hair was already red before he went around the corner. If Sirpimped found that glitch by mistake he would of walked right through it in the time it took. But he was just standing there in the glitch. :rant:
Also the Russia match there is no reason for a rematch. Yes we were accused of to many mercs(after the match :mad:) but we clearly had pointed out who is who and that problem was resolved by Phantom and I. There shouldn't be a need for a rematch on Russia. :td: And there won't be a rematch just because of recon spamming. :confused: Especially when 1.0 and Enten had these battles on Russia before WITH OVEN and there was no reason to redo that match just because of recons. YAK doesn't get special treatment :censored: just because they complained to much. :dry:
And if Harbour has a rematch YAK should be penalized for switching teams and stealing a tank. >:(
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
Wow thank god Birdo was videoing that and caught SirPimped. Kishan do you have eyes? He was clearly already in the glitch waiting for someone to pass by. His cross hair was already red before he went around the corner. If Sirpimped found that glitch by mistake he would of walked right through it in the time it took. But he was just standing there in the glitch. :rant:
And if Harbour has a rematch YAK should be penalized for switching teams and stealing a tank. >:(
SirPimped glitched by accident as he already explained. If he was waiting for people in the glitch to kill, he would have killed birdo from the glitch.
Then 212 would be penalized twice for using jets after asked not to.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
Also the Russia match there is no reason for a rematch. Yes we were accused of to many mercs(after the match :mad:) but we clearly had pointed out who is who and that problem was resolved by Phantom and I. There shouldn't be a need for a rematch on Russia. :td: And there won't be a rematch just because of recon spamming. :confused: Especially when 1.0 and Enten had these battles on Russia before WITH OVEN and there was no reason to redo that match just because of recons. YAK doesn't get special treatment :censored: just because they complained to much. :dry:
And if Harbour has a rematch YAK should be penalized for switching teams and stealing a tank. >:(
We're not having a rematch just because of recon spamming.
The recon thing is that, going forward, Russia will be played without recons.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 02, 2013, 05:45:56 AM
Wow a rematch? Even after you decided that 212 took habour? Why can't they just attack it, without an extra attack.
I think that it's pretty hard to say with a straight face that, given what transpired on Harbor, no penalties should be given. To be honest, I was--for quite some time, until I saw the picture of a YAK playing on 212 side--of the opinion that 212 would forfeit their attack due to the jet.
But put yourself in Shazam's position, attempting to remedy a situation that cannot be resolved without taking drastic measures. You want to squabble before he makes decisions and you want to squabble after.
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 10:13:22 AM
SirPimped glitched by accident as he already explained. If he was waiting for people in the glitch to kill, he would have killed birdo from the glitch.
Then 212 would be penalized twice for using jets after asked not to.
212 had jets only once (Nico) Which was at the start of the game. By the time the 2nd tank had arrived at the CP he had switched. This other Jet there was no such thing (no proof either) and the tank was taken by Birdo because it was left in a crack in the back (which anyone can get to not just jets)
And switching sides during the game AND stealing a tank is 10 times worse then 212 having a single jet out during the beginning of the match who didn't do anything. :o
And why the hell is there a rematch for Russia? We played it fairly and your taking it back? Just because YAK whined about it and Enten and 1.0 didn't do in previous matches.. YAK get special privileges?
No screw that. YAK isn't a little princess. If Enten and 1.0 had matches before with recon spamming then there is no reason for a rematch. And there won't be if you want us to keep playing in the ICW3.
No one wants to play a rigged event.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
212 had jets only once (Nico) Which was at the start of the game. By the time the 2nd tank had arrived at the CP he had switched. This other Jet there was no such thing (no proof either) and the tank was taken by Birdo because it was left in a crack in the back (which anyone can get to not just jets)
And switching sides during the game AND stealing a tank is 10 times worse then 212 having a single jet out during the beginning of the match who didn't do anything. :o
And why the hell is there a rematch for Russia? We played it fairly and your taking it back? Just because YAK whined about it and Enten and 1.0 didn't do in previous matches.. YAK get special privileges?
No screw that. YAK isn't a little princess. If Enten and 1.0 had matches before with recon spamming then there is no reason for a rematch. And there won't be if you want us to keep playing in the ICW3.
No one wants to play a rigged event.
1. Nico didn't know jets weren't allowed, I know not knowing isn't an excuse, but Rage knew what he was doing on Rhen Ver when he got on our team and stole the tank from our base.
2. If sirpimped was in the glitch, why did he shoot?
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
212 had jets only once (Nico) Which was at the start of the game. By the time the 2nd tank had arrived at the CP he had switched. This other Jet there was no such thing (no proof either) and the tank was taken by Birdo because it was left in a crack in the back (which anyone can get to not just jets)
And switching sides during the game AND stealing a tank is 10 times worse then 212 having a single jet out during the beginning of the match who didn't do anything. :o
And why the hell is there a rematch for Russia? We played it fairly and your taking it back? Just because YAK whined about it and Enten and 1.0 didn't do in previous matches.. YAK get special privileges?
No screw that. YAK isn't a little princess. If Enten and 1.0 had matches before with recon spamming then there is no reason for a rematch. And there won't be if you want us to keep playing in the ICW3.
No one wants to play a rigged event.
Wrong again. Nico used jet initially, then later a jet killed Shazam while he was taking CP. Then later a jet took the empty tank on mountain.
Killing a CPer with a jet is 10 times worse than driving a tank out and not killing anyone.
Do you do anything but whine? Apparently not. The ones trying to rig the event is 1.0 and 212
by using tag-faker members (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7003.msg75076#msg75076) who violate the active participating rule set by Oven. They want to get away with having 4 attacks per week as one alliance while YAK only gets 2 attacks per week as one alliance.
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 10:39:43 AM
Wrong again. Nico used jet initially, then later a jet killed Shazam while he was taking CP. Then later a jet took the empty tank on mountain.
Killing a CPer with a jet is 10 times worse than driving a tank out and not killing anyone.
Do you do anything but whine? Apparently not. The ones trying to rig the event is 1.0 and 212 by using tag-faker members (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7003.msg75076#msg75076) who violate the active participating rule set by Oven. They want to get away with having 4 attacks per week as one alliance while YAK only gets 2 attacks per week as one alliance.
No jet took the tank.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 02, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
No jet took the tank.
yea it did i saw it from my recon
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 10:45:28 AM
yea it did i saw it from my recon
Show me a picture or video, I don't believe you, sorry.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 02, 2013, 10:47:18 AM
Show me a picture or video, I don't believe you, sorry.
wish i had taken one in time that jet cheater must be real proud
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 10:49:08 AM
wish i had taken one in time that jet cheater must be real proud
What is there to be proud of? You're the one who cheated by switching to our team and stealing the tank.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
And why the hell is there a rematch for Russia? We played it fairly and your taking it back? Just because YAK whined about it and Enten and 1.0 didn't do in previous matches.. YAK get special privileges?
No screw that. YAK isn't a little princess. If Enten and 1.0 had matches before with recon spamming then there is no reason for a rematch. And there won't be if you want us to keep playing in the ICW3.
No one wants to play a rigged event.
My understanding is that the reason there will be a rematch for Russia has nothing to do with recons.
I'm under the impression that there'll be a rematch on Russia because of mercs vs. acting members.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 02, 2013, 11:04:29 AM
What is there to be proud of? You're the one who cheated by switching to our team and stealing the tank.
You cheated by having too many merc namefakers
Your team cheated again by killing our players with jets
And then cheated again by stealing a tank with jet.
Quote from: Phobos on September 02, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
You cheated by having too many merc namefakers
Your team cheated again by killing our players with jets
And then cheated again by stealing a tank with jet.
Nope.
Quote from: Ten Numb on September 02, 2013, 11:31:21 AM
Nope.
denial doesn't change the proof
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7003.msg75076#msg75076
How could you organize the ICW1 and ICW2 ..........
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 09:49:27 AM
Also the Russia match there is no reason for a rematch. Yes we were accused of to many mercs(after the match :mad:) but we clearly had pointed out who is who and that problem was resolved by Phantom and I. There shouldn't be a need for a rematch on Russia. :td: And there won't be a rematch just because of recon spamming. :confused: Especially when 1.0 and Enten had these battles on Russia before WITH OVEN and there was no reason to redo that match just because of recons. YAK doesn't get special treatment :censored: just because they complained to much. :dry:
And if Harbour has a rematch YAK should be penalized for switching teams and stealing a tank. >:(
Quote from: BlackScorpion on September 02, 2013, 11:09:18 AM
My understanding is that the reason there will be a rematch for Russia has nothing to do with recons.
I'm under the impression that there'll be a rematch on Russia because of mercs vs. acting members.
Hond, please stop arguing. I just logged into Xfire. If you want to yell at me, do it there.
Scorpion is right. I feel that the only way to determine a winner on Russia is to have a rematch because 1.0's member-base would be very different if a new member rule was put in place. But, that rule will be left to Oven to decide.
You act as if a rematch will be the end of the world. If you feel that 1.0 should keep Russia, make a full-proof strategy and fight your heart out.
Quote from: Gen.Hond{snp} on September 02, 2013, 10:30:20 AM
212 had jets only once (Nico) Which was at the start of the game. By the time the 2nd tank had arrived at the CP he had switched. This other Jet there was no such thing (no proof either) and the tank was taken by Birdo because it was left in a crack in the back (which anyone can get to not just jets)
And switching sides during the game AND stealing a tank is 10 times worse then 212 having a single jet out during the beginning of the match who didn't do anything. :o
And why the hell is there a rematch for Russia? We played it fairly and your taking it back? Just because YAK whined about it and Enten and 1.0 didn't do in previous matches.. YAK get special privileges?
No screw that. YAK isn't a little princess. If Enten and 1.0 had matches before with recon spamming then there is no reason for a rematch. And there won't be if you want us to keep playing in the ICW3.
No one wants to play a rigged event.
YAK does not get special privileges, and neither does 1.0 or 212. I'm leaving it up to Oven to decide what kind of penalties will be given to YAK and 212. Phobos switches sides and moved your tank out of the map and he has already admitted to it. 212 used jets at least once (I witnessed it myself) and special units are not permitted under any circumstances.
Quote from: Shazam on September 01, 2013, 08:04:54 PM
There will be a rematch of Harbor and Russia next week. It will be played as if Saturday's matches never happened, but it will not count against a clan's two attacks for next week.
So, Russia will be played on Saturday, 3:00 PM EST and Harbor will be played at 4:00 PM EST. Teams will be the on the same side as they were this week.
The matches will be recorded to ensure there is not as much controversy as last time.
Please do not argue.
Recons will be disabled for Russia, and there will be a server-sided mission.lvl mod preventing anyone from spawning as a special unit.
Enough of this, guys. There will be a rematch next week on Harbor and Russia. End of discussion.
You may PM me or message me on Xfire.
Locked until Oven turns up for his ruling, this isn't getting anywhere.