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Radar can be distributed if wanted.

Let me clarify a point: If radar is permitted, it would be optional and a link to download radar would be distributed to anyone who wanted it.

Personally, I have no opinion on the radar issue. I only wish it wasn't an issue.

I've already released radar mod publicly, although the link has not been posted yet on SWBFGamers yet. Buckler told me it is fine to post the radar mod here, but I will only do so if Radar is going to be allowed for sure in the ICW3.

Quote from: Oven on July 28, 2013, 06:45:53 PM
Let me clarify a point: If radar is permitted, it would be optional and a link to download radar would be distributed to anyone who wanted it.

Personally, I have no opinion on the radar issue. I only wish it wasn't an issue.

Does this mean radar will be permitted or not, based on the majority vote on this thread? Or will the admins Oven Shazam Helios have a discussion on the matter to determine whether or not radar is to be allowed?

Personally radar ruins the fun of the game. And I mostly just play for fun although I do have a competitive side ;). However there is the problem that people may still use radar whatever the outcome so as much as I would like it not to be involved in this tournament I don't think it matters that much :(

Quote from: Phobos on July 28, 2013, 10:06:05 PM
Does this mean radar will be permitted or not, based on the majority vote on this thread? Or will the admins Oven Shazam Helios have a discussion on the matter to determine whether or not radar is to be allowed?

Ultimately, I think it should be up to individual clans.  UEF and FC will most likely promote radar, but I know that YAK will not be the only clan with a majority of anti-radar players. 

Could we add radar into the AddOn maps and have a radar map pack and a normal one?  I am fairly certain that could be possible.

If it is possible to add radar into mod maps, I would prefer if half the maps had radar and half of them were normal as a compromise.  Whether or not we could decide which maps had radar and which didn't is a whole different story, though.

Quote from: {212} Nixo on July 29, 2013, 04:29:17 AM
Personally radar ruins the fun of the game. And I mostly just play for fun although I do have a competitive side ;). However there is the problem that people may still use radar whatever the outcome so as much as I would like it not to be involved in this tournament I don't think it matters that much :(

Well everyone has their own opinions of what is fun, and also many players don't think it ruins the fun, so I think the admins should decide what is acceptable. The same logic applies to special units, vehicles, etc.

Quote from: Phobos on July 29, 2013, 05:50:30 AM
Well everyone has their own opinions of what is fun, and also many players don't think it ruins the fun, so I think the admins should decide what is acceptable. The same logic applies to special units, vehicles, etc.

yeah i have never had a problem with it. it doesn't ruin the fun.

Quote from: Shazam on July 29, 2013, 04:37:45 AM
Could we add radar into the AddOn maps and have a radar map pack and a normal one?  I am fairly certain that could be possible.

If it is possible to add radar into mod maps, I would prefer if half the maps had radar and half of them were normal as a compromise.  Whether or not we could decide which maps had radar and which didn't is a whole different story, though.

I kind of like that idea, it would be a sort of assurance that one side doesn't have an advantage over the other team. (At least, for some maps.)

Personally myself, I have never been one to use radar. I find in a sense it sort of pits the player as "superior" to the other players without it. I know it is now distributed publicly, but I still like the suspense of never-knowing where your opponent is, over knowing where he is and work out a solution to effectively kill them without knowing.

But hey, I'm the run-n'-gun charging kind of guy anyways, everyone has their own style. :P

EDIT: I've fixed my correction there, Phobos.

plz lock this thread since ppl are still insisting its a 'cheat'

Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on July 29, 2013, 07:33:41 AM
I kind of like that idea, it would be a sort of assurance that the other side isn't cheating. (At least, for some maps.)

I don't think it should be allowed on all maps as it takes out the stealth part of the game but perhaps as a compromise it could be decide by the attackers if it's allowed or the mod map idea is good. If enough people like radar it should be used occasionally as long as there is a firm rule.
I won't use it as I don't enjoy it but if I know the other team is using it I can change my play style to suit.

I do not care about the radar. Allow it or not. But IF allowed, give it out to everyone for fairness. Then it is up to every single player to decide wheter he/she wants to make use of it or not. But no complains after that then.

Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on July 29, 2013, 07:33:41 AMover knowing where he is and work out a solution to effectively kill them without knowing.

It makes it more fun because you get to plan out how u are going to kill the opponent, rather then have to find the opponent then make a plan. By the time you find the opponent, its usually to late to make a plan. So to me, playing with radar can be more fun then playing without it.

For me, it's a situation where it is the player's preference.  I've known how to use radar mod for a long time, but I rarely use it.  I have no problem with those who choose to use it.  I find the suspense of not knowing where the opponent is exciting.

And now that it is open source pretty much, anyone can use it.  So, if you think the person across from you is using radar and is gaining a great advantage by it, it's your fault for not doing the same.  And don't say "I'm too lazy" as an excuse.  Get someone to help you then, most of us won't bite.

To all you modders out there, could this be possible?

Quote from: Shazam on July 29, 2013, 04:37:45 AM
Could we add radar into the AddOn maps and have a radar map pack and a normal one?  I am fairly certain that could be possible.

If it is possible to add radar into mod maps, I would prefer if half the maps had radar and half of them were normal as a compromise.  Whether or not we could decide which maps had radar and which didn't is a whole different story, though.

I know you can create custom sides for mod maps, but do the sides munge with the map, or can you put it in the map's AddOn directory seperate?

If that is not possible, then I feel that anyone that wants to use radar can, and if you don't want to use it, then no one is forcing you to.  With that said, it would be nice to have some radar-free battles.  Some people would prefer that their opponent is not using radar if they aren't.

I don't mean to start any arguements.  I know that some people would prefer no radar whatsoever, so I think it would be a fair compromise to have radar-free battles every now and then.

Quote from: Shazam on July 29, 2013, 03:32:01 PM
To all you modders out there, could this be possible?

I know you can create custom sides for mod maps, but do the sides munge with the map, or can you put it in the map's AddOn directory seperate?

If that is not possible, then I feel that anyone that wants to use radar can, and if you don't want to use it, then no one is forcing you to.  With that said, it would be nice to have some radar-free battles.  Some people would prefer that their opponent is not using radar if they aren't.

I don't mean to start any arguements.  I know that some people would prefer no radar whatsoever, so I think it would be a fair compromise to have radar-free battles every now and then.

Yes this is possible, but inconveniant.

Basically u would need to recompile each mission lvl from the mod map u wanted to "force" players to use DC: (addon) side LVL instead of stock. this means everyone woudl need to download new mod map packs, u could save space by calling it from a special folder for each mod map but still reconstructing each addon mission LUA (most source not included) would take alot of time. i have better things to mod.

Pretty much its possible but i cant think of any1 willing to do that much tedius modding and most players would find it more difficult than simply installing radar mod or removing it.

plus it would most likely break OC with players not using the modified missions for those mod maps

Quote from: Phobos on July 29, 2013, 03:45:20 PM
Yes this is possible, but inconveniant.

Basically u would need to recompile each mission lvl from the mod map u wanted to "force" players to use DC: (addon) side LVL instead of stock. this means everyone woudl need to download new mod map packs, u could save space by calling it from a special folder for each mod map but still reconstructing each addon mission LUA (most source not included) would take alot of time. i have better things to mod.

Pretty much its possible but i cant think of any1 willing to do that much tedius modding and most players would find it more difficult than simply installing radar mod or removing it.

plus it would most likely break OC with players not using the modified missions for those mod maps

Oh, bummer.  That's perfect if it breaks OC though, because then everyone would be forced to use stock sides, correct? 

Why not just do that for a few maps and have everyone do what they want for the rest? 

Depending on the map, I could make new missions.  One with vehicles are harder.

I'm not doing the tournament but I'm following this particular thread in case drama occurs. :P


Maybe you could create a radar mod, but make it not work online for someone who doesn't have it. In other words, make a non-online compatible radar mod that you use in the tournament when radar is allowed. And when it is NOT allowed create a side just like normal but make it not online compatible with the stock sides thus making it not OC with the radar mod that is out now.

Just my thoughts on the matter. It would only require 2 side mods to be made instead of numerous missions.

Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 29, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
I'm not doing the tournament but I'm following this particular thread in case drama occurs. :P

We're trying to keep things constructive Kit Fisto, but thanks for the enthusiasm.  ::)

Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 29, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
Maybe you could create a radar mod, but make it not work online for someone who doesn't have it. In other words, make a non-online compatible radar mod that you use in the tournament when radar is allowed. And when it is NOT allowed create a side just like normal but make it not online compatible with the stock sides thus making it not OC with the radar mod that is out now.

Just my thoughts on the matter. It would only require 2 side mods to be made instead of numerous missions.

We could always throw in some random non-OC line in the ODF and have Buckler host with it so that you would need that specific side to play. (Which would be downloadable.)

For that to work, only Buckler should know what he added into the ODF so people can't just make their own sides and then add radar.

Quote from: Kit Fisto on July 29, 2013, 05:09:21 PM
I'm not doing the tournament but I'm following this particular thread in case drama occurs. :P


Maybe you could create a radar mod, but make it not work online for someone who doesn't have it. In other words, make a non-online compatible radar mod that you use in the tournament when radar is allowed. And when it is NOT allowed create a side just like normal but make it not online compatible with the stock sides thus making it not OC with the radar mod that is out now.

Just my thoughts on the matter. It would only require 2 side mods to be made instead of numerous missions.

That's not quite how it works for mod maps, kit.

Quote from: Shazam on July 29, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
We could always throw in some random non-OC line in the ODF and have Buckler host with it so that you would need that specific side to play. (Which would be downloadable.)

For that to work, only Buckler should know what he added into the ODF so people can't just make their own sides and then add radar.

Pretty much how I was thinking it.  8)

Quote from: Buckler on July 29, 2013, 05:14:48 PM
That's not quite how it works for mod maps, kit.

Do all of the mod maps use stock sides? I don't see why it wouldn't work then...

Hello everyone,

I hate to state the same opinion as my fellow "star wars gamers" here, but I want to comment about my opinion on this so called radar. I believe that radar should be disallowed from any gaming tournament along with any other modifications that allows a user to gain an advantage over the other player. This radar modification and any other modification similar to this would ruin the fun of the game and destroy a special tournament started up by a very good and friendly bunch of people. In saying this, I don't really care what modifications people use on their own server, private or public. I simply hope that these kinds of modifications will stay out of "star wars tournaments" for a very long time.

Thank you all,

{DarkSith}General.Kevin - The Republic Military, Advanced Assault - Star Wars: The Old Republic : The Harbinger Server (USA).

I SAY NO

Quote from: admiralkevin01 on July 31, 2013, 04:37:18 PM
Hello everyone,

I hate to state the same opinion as my fellow "star wars gamers" here, but I want to comment about my opinion on this so called radar.

We are all "Star Wars gamers" and this was made to hear your opinion. :)
I think, though, that this has become a bigger deal than it really is.  The mod is open source, free for usage.  Phobos said all you have to do is ask.

I am willing to script out a MP shell and sides for ICW3 mod quickly, but I'm not quite sure that's the solution right now.  Also, I'm posting my lua because I'm completely and utterly stumped. 

Note:  Recon droid has radar.  A watered down (small radius) version, but STOCK recon has radar.

You guys keep chasing around in circles.

I will make an executive decision soon if you can't and it will be a compromise position.

If you can't figure it out in 24 hours, you have a choice of the compromise or no ICW3 organized by SWBFgamers.

Quote from: Buckler on July 31, 2013, 06:21:15 PM
You guys keep chasing around in circles.

I will make an executive decision soon if you can't and it will be a compromise position.

If you can't figure it out in 24 hours, you have a choice of the compromise or no ICW3 organized by SWBFgamers.

How about instead of listening to us yell at eachother.. Why don't you look at the votes and see which answer gets the highest amount of votes? Oh logic.. yea a lot of us cannot think about that anymore.. :) (No offense intended)

Quote from: admiralkevin01 on July 31, 2013, 06:22:37 PM
How about instead of listening to us yell at eachother.. Why don't you look at the votes and see which answer gets the highest amount of votes? Oh logic.. yea a lot of us cannot think about that anymore.. :) (No offense intended)

Ive looked at the results.  The IDC was a bad choice.  Depending on how you count them, it can look like 50%-50%.  Thus the edict on the compromise.

If no one wants to compromise, then case closed.

Quote from: Phobos on July 31, 2013, 06:26:54 PM
Corrected, see the fact that they are fair and not bad or unfair. Ultimately the admins have final say, not the poll (unless Oven says otherwise)
please explain the compromise offer in more detail

I am hoping that things will get worked out on their own.

Otherwise, there is that parable about splitting the baby in half  ;)

Keep in mind we are not discussing the merits or lack of merits of using that particular item, we are discussing how to handle the issue in the tournament. 

The merits or lack of merits have already been discussed at great length here, and I will start removing posts to another thread if such discussion continues.

Thats how its going to work, you have the choice to download radar, ICW3 will have radar in it, and its now available to all so dont complain.

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
Thats how its going to work, you have the choice to download radar, ICW3 will have radar in it, and its now available to all so dont complain.

How it will work is you guys have 24 hours to figure it out amongst yourselves, or I take over.  My hope is that before 24 hours is up, there are still teams left to play in it.

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
Thats how its going to work, you have the choice to download radar, ICW3 will have radar in it, and its now available to all so dont complain.

Well that settles it then. If it will have radar in it then no need for a poll. Thus we don't have to have this pointless debate.

Quote from: SirPimped on July 31, 2013, 06:23:47 PM
No one is going to change their position on this. The people against radar will continue to think so. Those for it won't be against it. Each side will think they can use reason to make their point, but in the end no one will change their position. So let's leave it at that.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I believe the only way to make everyone somewhat happy, is to let everyone make their own choices on whether or not they want to use radar.  Anyone whining about the use of radar has 1 of 2 options:
1.  Download radar and use it yourself
2.  Only participate in the anti-radar mod maps

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 06:38:16 PM
Thats how its going to work, you have the choice to download radar, ICW3 will have radar in it, and its now available to all so dont complain.

There are two other admins that have just as much of a say as you do, Helios.  Please keep that in mind.

Its decided Led radar will be allowed for ICW 3, download it now, or dont, but dont cry to admins about radar use as its available to the swbfgamers public.

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Its decided Led radar will be allowed for ICW 3, download it now, or dont, but dont cry to admins about radar use as its available to the swbfgamers public.

I want to see the three admins post in here that they are in agreement.

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 06:51:21 PM
Its decided Led radar will be allowed for ICW 3, download it now, or dont, but dont cry to admins about radar use as its available to the swbfgamers public.

So the voting is rigged then? more people don't want it in the tournament but because you are so very clearly sided with a certain group of people and when the polls go south you flip flopped and are gonna allow it now even though the people have spoken against it....good admin one of the best.

If the polls are rigged I wonder how this tournament will be??

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 31, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
So the voting is rigged then? more people don't want it in the tournament but because you are so very clearly sided with a certain group of people and when the polls go south you flip flopped and are gonna allow it now even though the people have spoken against it....good admin one of the best.

If the polls are rigged I wonder how this tournament will be??

Where did Oven or any other admin say that the poll results would be the FINAL SAY in the decision? I asked this question on the third post of this thread and it has not yet been officially answered http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6881.msg73076#msg73076. The poll results were tied earlier, and although currently more people have voted no so far, voting is not closed until August 3rd.

Obviously Led has the final say in this matter, and I'm hoping Oven responds within 24 hours to clear things up once and for all. I like that Helios was willing to post the link for radar download, now anyone who wants it can download it and has no need to complain about it being unfair/unavailable etc.

Quote from: Buckler on July 31, 2013, 06:53:27 PM
I want to see the three admins post in here that they are in agreement.

Shazam and Oven please speak up when you see these posts.

Quote from: WusiBabyEater on July 31, 2013, 07:02:04 PM
So the voting is rigged then? more people don't want it in the tournament but because you are so very clearly sided with a certain group of people and when the polls go south you flip flopped and are gonna allow it now even though the people have spoken against it....good admin one of the best.

If the polls are rigged I wonder how this tournament will be??

The other two admins need to weigh in.  I do not understand why a poll was created, but for now, that is the ICW3 admins problem to deal with.

The choice is clear though, if you don't like the rules (when they have finally been settled), then don't participate.

Quote from: Buckler on July 31, 2013, 06:53:27 PM
I want to see the three admins post in here that they are in agreement.

I do not entirely agree with Helios.  As I said before;

Quote from: Shazam on July 31, 2013, 06:47:07 PM
I believe the only way to make everyone somewhat happy, is to let everyone make their own choices on whether or not they want to use radar.  Anyone whining about the use of radar has 1 of 2 options:
1.  Download radar and use it yourself
2.  Only participate in the anti-radar mod maps

If you do not want to play in a battle if your opponent has radar, then just participate in the anti-radar mod maps.  I will work with the modders to ensure that there will be maps that prohibit radar.

If you want to use radar, go ahead and use it.  We can't stop you from using it.

If you don't care, then you can decide whether or not you want to download the radar mod.

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I do not fully understand why Helios made a poll for this anyway.  Just because someone is part of the minority, doesn't mean they need to be forgotten about and pushed to the side.  Let's try to make this tournament enjoyable for everyone.

helios informed me that shazam and oven asked him to create a poll, and that helios was opposed to the idea at first, but he was outvoted 2 to 1 so he had to make the poll.

Oven wanted a poll as he was afraid if radar was allowed people/clans would leave, shazam wasnt on at the time so we decided it was only fair to include his vote as a yes and no, which means i was outvoted 2-1

Quote from: Helios on July 31, 2013, 07:25:21 PM
Oven wanted a poll as he was afraid if radar was allowed people/clans would leave, shazam wasnt on at the time so we decided it was only fair to include his vote as a yes and no, which means i was outvoted 2-1

I am working on "guidelines for making an official tournament", with a hope that it will help people come to a mutual decision faster.  If you make a vote, you are going to have to have already decided what you will do based on the results.  Otherwise people will feel frustrated for providing input that is ignored. 

Quote from: Phobos on July 31, 2013, 07:14:45 PM
helios informed me that shazam and oven asked him to create a poll, and that helios was opposed to the idea at first, but he was outvoted 2 to 1 so he had to make the poll.

Oven may have, but I haven't.  Helios, if you're gonna admin, please don't make things up.

I would like potential clan representatives (if you don't know if that's you, then it probably isn't) to post whether or not their clan would be using radar, be against radar, or doesn't care if radar is used or not.  We may end up just having a radar tournament and a tournament disallowing radar.  I hope we can all find a way to play together, but apparently everyone is too caught up in their views on radar to just have fun in a tournament.

Quote from: Dark_Phantom on July 31, 2013, 07:42:36 PM
If you're the better team, it's not going to matter in the long haul if you have any mods or not.  The best team will win.  The tournament will be played long enough that it will clearly separate the winners from losers, and one team will not win every single match with mods alone.

This has been proven historically yes.

Quote from: Shazam on July 31, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
I would like potential clan representatives (if you don't know if that's you, then it probably isn't) to post whether or not their clan would be using radar, be against radar, or doesn't care if radar is used or not.  We may end up just having a radar tournament and a tournament disallowing radar.  I hope we can all find a way to play together, but apparently everyone is too caught up in their views on radar to just have fun in a tournament.

Primary [FC] Representative:
- Phobos

Secondary [FC] Rep who will post for the clan if Phobos is absent:
- SirPimped

[FC] is a clan that supports radar and we will only participate in tournaments where radar is allowed/optional. We have no interest in any clan-based tournaments in which radar is not allowed to be used. [FC] is willing to provide help and instructions for downloading and installing radar mod to any opponent clans we face in a radar-allowed tournament. We do not use hacks in tournaments, only mods. [FC] is 100% prominently supportive of radar mods.

Quote from: Shazam on July 31, 2013, 07:38:05 PM
Oven may have, but I haven't.  Helios, if you're gonna admin, please don't make things up.

I would like potential clan representatives (if you don't know if that's you, then it probably isn't) to post whether or not their clan would be using radar, be against radar, or doesn't care if radar is used or not.  We may end up just having a radar tournament and a tournament disallowing radar.  I hope we can all find a way to play together, but apparently everyone is too caught up in their views on radar to just have fun in a tournament.

I thought id cleared that up by saying you were offline so we made a vote for you... Lol

Wow. Now we can see how far we have come, how things have changed.
Last summer radar was out of the question, yet people still used it even though they knew the rules. Now we are debating something that was always going to have a predictable outcome. Split in two sides.
For a clan to be so associated with radar so much that they will not even go without it, I think is slightly ridiculous  ???  How come you entered the previous ICW's when radar was not allowed? Although I know some used it? Just questions I would like to know the answer to. No disrespect.
I also would completely disagree with your interpretations of the radar mod Phobos, but that will just start another argument I guess.

(212th) is prominently against the radar mod and would not use it against an opponent that is not thus giving us an advantage. We will play without an advantage throughout.
I will be the (212th)'s main representative.
Mart will be here for when I am not.

When I get time, I am going to slice this topic up into items relevant to ICW3 and radar.

What fred thinks on this topic if irrelevant, and will be until he starts playing MP.

Locking this topic momentarily until I can split it.

Unlocking this topic.  Keep this about the ICW3.  Generic Radar discussions are in this thread:
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6903.msg73095

@Helios, I read your post about 212 and radar but I do not know the topic to respond in.
I think it is not very thoughtful of you to release the radar mod and then go against it by saying that 212 have access to it - in response to my previous post. Of course we have access to it, you posted it on the site yourself. I believe the majority of the community has access to it. As I said:

Quote from: {212} Nixo on July 31, 2013, 08:26:06 PM
(212th) is prominently against the radar mod.

Yes we have access to it but we will not use it to give ourselves an advantage over the opposite team. If they don't use it, we won't use it. Simple.
If this post wasn't meant to be here please feel free to move it to wherever.

Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 01, 2013, 06:33:50 AM
@Helios, I read your post about 212 and radar but I do not know the topic to respond in.
I think it is not very thoughtful of you to release the radar mod and then go against it by saying that 212 have access to it - in response to my previous post. Of course we have access to it, you posted it on the site yourself. I believe the majority of the community has access to it.

Shouldn't you be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.

Quote from: SWBFGamers.com forum rulesAvoid political and religious topics.

Now are we going to disregard all forums rules? Because the way some people are talking this sounds like a political and/or religious discussion.

:D

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 06:35:44 AM
Shouldn't you be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.

It is not the fact that I am ungrateful for him posting the link. It is the fact Helios said I was being hypocritical about  radar.
Aside from radar.
Helios you said that is wouldn't make a difference if wusi entered or not. I think that is a little bit disrespectful towards them. I think it would be great to have as many clans entering as possible. Playing different opponents.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 06:35:44 AM
Shouldn't you be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.

Grateful? Since when were you the only one who knew how to make the minimap hack?

Clearly the community is split on radar use, there might be a few more active players recently but not enough to have a big tournament if everyone falls out again. Until this tournament radar users and people who don't like it played separately on servers with clear rules. That works so surely we can just have a compromise where we play some maps with and some without radar.
I've already said that radar takes the fun out of the game for me but I don't think people should never be allowed to use it so I'm quite willing to play with people who use it as long as they play some games without it so I can have fun. That's the point of games. Fun. :)
Hopefully we have good admins who remain neutral and don't get involved in the argument. Let's see what they come up with and then either join the tournament or just play somewhere else.

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
Grateful? Since when were you the only one who knew how to make the minimap hack?

I don't know how to make a "minimap hack" only the radar mod. And I didn't see anyone else upload it? Plus I posted radar tutorial here long ago already, no surprise there.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:19:07 AM
I don't know how to make a "minimap hack" only the radar mod. And I didn't see anyone else upload it? Plus I posted radar tutorial here long ago already, no surprise there.

I didn't feel the need to upload a hack to the website.

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
I didn't feel the need to upload a hack to the website.

Neither did I, and the only thing Helios linked to is a radar mod, no hacks involved.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
Neither did I, and the only thing Helios linked to is a radar mod, no hacks involved.

Why should we be grateful then?

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:28:39 AM
Why should we be grateful then?

You don't have to be. Players who are grateful for it, and don't already have access to the mod, will be glad that Helios posted the link. Some players have already thanked us for it.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:30:30 AM
You don't have to be. Players who are grateful for it, and don't already have access to the mod, will be glad that Helios posted the link. Some players have already thanked us for it.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 06:35:44 AM
Shouldn't you be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:32:24 AM

Yea I asked Nixo if he thought he should be grateful. I was asking him though, not you. And he answered my question, he was referring to something else Helios said, so its irrelevant.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:33:20 AM
Yea I asked Nixo if he thought he should be grateful. I was asking him though, not you. And he answered my question, he was referring to something else Helios said, so its irrelevant.

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[Shouldn't you be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.
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Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:35:55 AM
quote author=Phobos link=topic=6881.msg73351#msg73351 date=1375364144]
Shouldn't you [NIXO]be a little bit grateful he was at least willing to post the link for you guys to use if u wanted to? It is his job as an admin to ensure fairness after all, and by posting the link that is what he did. No need to be offended that it was released here, Buckler gave the okay. And nobody is forcing you to use it after all.

So? By you I was referring to Nixo, and asking him if he was grateful I posted the link for other players (212). I was not addressing other members of 212 only nixo.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
So? By you I was referring to Nixo, and asking him if he was grateful I posted the link for other players (212). I was not addressing other members of 212 only nixo.

By mentioning "you guys" (212) you were addressing me also, which was why I felt the need to defend myself against you thinking that we could not create the radar hack or had it before helos posted the link.

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:40:20 AM
By mentioning "you guys" (212) you were addressing me also, which was why I felt the need to defend myself against you thinking that we could not create the radar hack or had it before helos posted the link.

I wasn't addressing you also, I was addressing Nixo only, as I have specifically stated. I don't care if you can hack or not, as I said Helios only posted a link to a radar mod, not a hack. You just feel the need to pretend I was talking to you when I only talking to Nixo.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:41:15 AM
I wasn't addressing you also, I was addressing Nixo only, as I have specifically stated. I don't care if you can hack or not, as I said Helios only posted a link to a radar mod, not a hack. You just feel the need to pretend I was talking to you when I only talking to Nixo.

Okay! Next just mention Nixo only please, and not the whole clan. k thanks  :cheers:

Quote from: Ten Numb on August 01, 2013, 10:42:38 AM
Okay! Next just mention Nixo please, and not the whole clan. k thanks  :cheers:

I'll ask Nixo a question in the way I choose, but specifically mention explicitly next time that I am not addressing anyone else, for your convenience.

Quote from: Phobos on August 01, 2013, 10:43:25 AM
I'll ask Nixo a question in the way I choose, but specifically mention explicitly next time that I am not addressing anyone else, for your convenience.

Well, thank you!