I kindly ask members to read and consider this.
The increasing hostility of members of this community towards the clan of FC is really quite atrocious to me. With the dwindling number of players active in the game, I see no place for this hostility to be taking place. It is true that we are a clan with some prolific modders, who take pride in being good at what they do, and by no means want to hurt the community with the mods that they make (actually quite the contrary). Though some people, not naming names, feel the need to call us out as cheaters or hackers for what we do; completely disregarding all of the contributions that we have made to the community, especially the ground breaking work of Phobos.
All I'm trying to say here is that people need to stop looking at us as the "bad guys" of the SWBF community, and mature to the point where we can get along.
Thank you for your time.
I wont never say FC is bad i got kicked out but i guess its my fault but i dont see you as the bad guys Okay i think your a good clan your also Legit i know you guys are a very nice people and if your mean im pretty sure your only mean cause people are being mean to you, all of you people making "FUN" of the Great Clan FC SHAME On you :rant: Fc is a very good clan and good modders AreS/Fate is right..
I've modded games for probably longer than anyone in [FC] and I can tell you I have never met people like you before. Hey, I'm not questioning not you use in your servers, it's up to you what you use in them. You feel like you need radar to up your game in your sever. I nor anyone else should question it. You pay for them, you decide what you want in them. Just keep those out of other peoples serves unless they have given you permission to use them. If they haven't you should leave them at bay.
Just so we are clear, I have no problem with what you use on your servers. Neither should anyone else.
I see Phobos work easily and his contributions. (Hence why he has a modder of the month award.) But enlighten me what contributions has [FC] made to benefit the community as a whole?
Look, i don't give a crack about any of SWBF's alliances/clan/wartribes/flowerpowerpeople or any other so called SWBF community...
All i care for is having a good time.
A few tips on how to have a good time:
1. Respect each other, the one is arrogant, the other cranky. The game will still be played even without you.
1.1 Do not divide the community by a arguing. What has been said, has been said. He has to make an explanation or excuse why he made it, and you have to forgive and understand why he said that.
1.2 Do not ban or exclude anybody, not only will it make that person very angry, it'll also make his friends angry...conclusion: Banning divides
1.3 Definition of fun (first result of google): "Enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure: "anyone who turns up can join in the fun"."
Enjoyment, amusement or pleasure is not made by you alone!
Everything you do was made by somebody else, the computer in front of you, the game your playing, the people your playing the game with...THEY ARE THE ONES who make YOUR fun possible.
Do not take away the fun of somebody else! (see section 1)
1.4 Do not make things worse then they are, if you blow something up it will become something worse then you want it to be. If you have a problem with somebody saying something...say it to them alone, because if you don't do that, they feel like they have to stand ground in front of the group (social pressure)
1.5 Have fun yourself, if your having a bad day, don't take it out on somebody else
[spoiler] Btw...i made these up...i don't even know if they contribute to the conversation...but whatever [/spoiler]
[spoiler] you wouldn't say it...but ima right wing person, just making that clear [/spoiler]
@Sleepkiller
FC has played a large part in keeping this community alive after the shutting down of the gamespy servers. Not to mention, many more players would have gone inactive if it had not been for FC recruiting them and coming up with ways to make the game more fun.
And the only reason we ban people from our servers is because they do or say things that make them undeserving of playing in them. If you are going to come in our server and talk crap, you'll get banned. If you come in our servers and crash them, you'll get banned. It is a privilege, not a right.
I am trying to think of some reason why this thread should not be locked...Ares, if you have a particular problem with a particular member of this community then please contact them directly. If you feel that you need my involvement, then you can copy me on the PM.
If you feel that the entire SWBFgamers.com community is causing problems for you, then make your case for it and we can take it from there.
If there are problems caused by people that do not visit here, then there is not much we can do.
I honestly have no problem with FC. In fact, back when I just a joined AaTc I remember playing against FC players quite a lot. They were really fun. I'll admit, I play for fun and some play for the game. It's obvious that FC is one of the more competitive clans but that isn't bad. I think that this "hate" has spawned from the rift between FC and one of the clans (I have forgotten the name).
Quote from: SleepKiller on January 09, 2013, 03:04:02 PM
I see Phobos work easily and his contributions. (Hence why he has a modder of the month award.) But enlighten me what contributions has [FC] made to benefit the community as a whole?
You seem to forget I was the one who discovered Tunngle for swbf1 and wrote a VLAN Tutorial, even before the gamespy server shut down. Now I know how you and several others want to give Buckler all the credit for saving swbf, be my guest but we all know what the truth is. Led found how to make Tunngle work on NFO servers, and set up the first GameRanger server, but the fact is both of us have done a lot to save the swbf online community.
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=206205
A lot of clans hate us because we are for radar not against it, that is their choice. What other clans think of us is also their choice, just as banning them from our servers is our choice.
What exactly are you trying to prove? FC is not going anywhere, we are staying in SWBF1 as long as possible. We will continue to contribute mods, tournaments, tutorials, and other valuable things to the swbf community, and we will continue to play the style we enjoy most. I can't remember the last time I have seen this forum go 48 hours without someone complaining about radar, cheats, hacks or something else about how others choose to play SWBF. It's sad but what can we do about it? Nothing.
Quote from: Phobos on January 09, 2013, 03:56:43 PM
You seem to forget I was the one who discovered Tunngle for swbf1 and wrote a VLAN Tutorial, even before the gamespy server shut down. Now you want to give Buckler all the credit for it, be my guest but we all know what the truth is.
http://www.lucasforums.com/showthread.php?t=206205
SK may have worded that a bit awkwardly, but he was saying that it is easy to see your contributions. Nothing in what he said mentioned my name at all--so I don't know how you get that out of it.
BTW, here is the How To Tunngle link on the front page and stickied on the forum that gives you full credit for discovering how to use Tunngle to play SWBF:
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=5511.0
As I write this, it has been viewed more than 2200 times.
Can you find any post that gives me all the credit? If you do, I will edit it.
Quote from: Roxas on January 09, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
I honestly have no problem with FC. In fact, back when I just a joined AaTc I remember playing against FC players quite a lot. They were really fun. I'll admit, I play for fun and some play for the game. It's obvious that FC is one of the more competitive clans but that isn't bad. I think that this "hate" has spawned from the rift between FC and one of the clans (I have forgotten the name).
Wusi.
Quote from: Buckler on January 09, 2013, 04:00:08 PM
SK may have worded that a bit awkwardly, but he was saying that it is easy to see your contributions. Nothing in what he said mentioned my name at all--so I don't know how you get that out of it.
It was something either JediKiller or SleepKiller posted a few weeks ago, I'll try to find the post.
Okay I have to fly so I will say this quick. Yes it is easy for me to forget that since I already knew about Tunngle and its capabilities before I knew about your tutorial on it. I don't discredit you on anything though.
Quote from: SleepKiller on January 09, 2013, 04:13:42 PM
Okay I have to fly so I will say this quick. Yes it is easy for me to forget that since I already knew about Tunngle and its capabilities before I knew about your tutorial on it. I don't discredit you on anything though.
Thanks for not discrediting me, and I would consider posting that tutorial to be
"a contribution that FC has made to benefit the community as a whole"
Last time I checked Led paid for this site and without it the SWBF community would not be as strong as it is now. You know this to be true. Unless there is an equally active site that you pay for Phobos? ;)
When I first looked at this thread, I thought:
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Now that people have posted in it:
You know that's right (http://images.persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/dule-popcorn.gif).
LOL!!! :rofl:
Quote from: Buckler on January 09, 2013, 03:37:17 PM
I am trying to think of some reason why this thread should not be locked...Ares, if you have a particular problem with a particular member of this community then please contact them directly. If you feel that you need my involvement, then you can copy me on the PM.
If you feel that the entire SWBFgamers.com community is causing problems for you, then make your case for it and we can take it from there.
If there are problems caused by people that do not visit here, then there is not much we can do.
Led, I did not make this post to make a case against anyone or any group. I simply put it out here for people to read and consider what their feelings are about us, and to clear up any misconceptions about us being "cheaters" or people who are trying to ruin the community.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on January 09, 2013, 04:26:14 PM
Last time I checked Led paid for this site and without it the SWBF community would not be as strong as it is now. You know this to be true. Unless there is an equally active site that you pay for Phobos? ;)
OK, Kit, please keep in mind there are a lot of SWBF sites, and phobos has made some as well. I am glad we have the members of this site that we do have here. I am glad you like it here, but let the site speak for itself please.
(https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.head-fi.org%2F4%2F47%2F47737512_Popcorn-14-Jimmy-Fallon.gif&hash=00009aa4fc330d59c7a1cc9d92588d40d58c880b)
I'm with Scorpion
Quote from: Are§ on January 09, 2013, 04:38:33 PM
Led, I did not make this post to make a case against anyone or any group. I simply put it out here for people to read and consider what their feelings are about us, and to clear up any misconceptions about us being "cheaters" or people who are trying to ruin the community.
OK, keep in mind that as passionate that you are about playing the game "your way" there are people just as passionate about playing the game "their way".
Quote from: Joseph on January 09, 2013, 04:41:03 PM
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I'm with Scorpion
:rofl: Lol
Quote from: Buckler on January 09, 2013, 04:40:41 PM
OK, Kit, please keep in mind there are a lot of SWBF sites, and phobos has made some as well. I am glad we have the members of this site that we do have here. I am glad you like it here, but let the site speak for itself please.
Ok, well I'll back out of this topic now since I have no public view on FC.
I just didn't wanted people hatin' on you Led for creating this awesome site. :)
I share Scorpion's view for the rest of the topic! :cheers:
I don't know any player that is not thankful for the work of Led and Phobos. They have both contributed greatly to the community. Is there any reason to say one has contributed more than the other?
I can see sides of both arguments. Sometimes FC members can be rude to other players. This I know, because sadly I have done it before. However, FC is also a clan that people continuously use as a target to ridicule. So there are problems on both sides. I would like to apologize for any comments that have upset players, and I plan to change this now. I will also encourage other FC players to do the same. I would also hope that other players can stop attacking FC players and provoking them.
We have to stop fracturing this community. I want to continue SWBF as it is for as long as possible. So let's all compromise and try to be better SWBF citizens to each other. Who's with me?
Perhaps the post I'm looking for has since been deleted, but I know for certain that I saw a post by one of the high ranks like JediKiller saying that Buckler single-handedly saved the swbf multiplayer community after gamespy shut down. I know I saw this post but can't find it with the search tool.
(https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2Fe0APJ.gif&hash=356e563ea823e52f41824e493368a0c4c4aa1f97)
I'm with Scorpion and Joseph here. :P
Quote from: SirPimped on January 09, 2013, 04:44:26 PM
I don't know any player that is not thankful for the work of Led and Phobos. They have both contributed greatly to the community. Is there any reason to say one has contributed more than the other?
I can see sides of both arguments. Sometimes FC members can be rude to other players. This I know, because sadly I have done it before. However, FC is also a clan that people continuously use as a target to ridicule. So there are problems on both sides. I would like to apologize for any comments that have upset players, and I plan to change this now. I will also encourage other FC players to do the same. I would also hope that other players can stop attacking FC players and provoking them.
We have to stop fracturing this community. I want to continue SWBF as it is for as long as possible. So let's all compromise and try to be better SWBF citizens to each other. Who's with me?
I'm.I just think it's funny that many of those who are anti-radar ( not saying that i like or use,i just dont care about it much) are the ones that doesn't even really play the game or are affected by it.Have you guys fought in duels or wars against people that use them? Well i did so many times and i don't see what's so bad about it,i like to see it as a challenge that makes me think more when moving and fighting.Sincerely...
Quote from: Disciple on January 09, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
I'm.I just think it's funny that many of those who are anti-radar ( not saying that i like or use,i just dont care about it much) are the ones that doesn't even really play the game or are affected by it.Have you guys fought in duels or wars against people that use them? Well i did so many times and i don't see what's so bad about it,i like to see it as a challenge that makes me think more when moving and fighting.Sincerely...
Lol well I'll just throw this out there
Quote from: Sun Tzu: The Art Of WarIf you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.
Now just look at that quote from a SWBF radar perspective, and it all makes sense (to me).
Quote from: Disciple on January 09, 2013, 05:37:26 PM
I'm.I just think it's funny that many of those who are anti-radar ( not saying that i like or use,i just dont care about it much) are the ones that doesn't even really play the game or are affected by it.Have you guys fought in duels or wars against people that use them? Well i did so many times and i don't see what's so bad about it,i like to see it as a challenge that makes me think more when moving and fighting.Sincerely...
I've played this game for 5 years, obviously I don't play it as much as I used to. I stick around though, mostly for the occasional cloud city match and tournaments.
Tournament play takes up most of my SWBF time, and when I join them I'm met with an array of mods. It absolutely affects me, and many others.
I understand people like a challenge, but let's be honest, when you're going into a duel the goal is to win. If you're in a fight with a guy on steroids, you're at a disadvantage from the moment the fight starts. This gives you less of a chance to win, just because you're playing honestly. I'd rather have everything equal from the get go, and if the other team/person wins, then so be it, they've won on fair terms.
But in the past few weeks, I've been fighting against anything but fair play. I don't understand why playing the game vanilla in tournaments, and in other people's servers, is such a difficult concept for people to comprehend. I don't care what FC does on their servers, or what they do in single player. But when I'm facing a guy with no brush and constant radar, it's just as game breaking as a guy sitting in the wall, shooting everything that moves outside.
Quote from: Droideclaus on January 09, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
I've played this game for 5 years, obviously I don't play it as much as I used to. I stick around though, mostly for the occasional cloud city match and tournaments.
Tournament play takes up most of my SWBF time, and when I join them I'm met with an array of mods. It absolutely affects me, and many others.
I understand people like a challenge, but let's be honest, when you're going into a duel the goal is to win. If you're in a fight with a guy on steroids, you're at a disadvantage from the moment the fight starts. This gives you less of a chance to win, just because you're playing honestly. I'd rather have everything equal from the get go, and if the other team/person wins, then so be it, they've won on fair terms.
But in the past few weeks, I've been fighting against anything but fair play. I don't understand why playing the game vanilla in tournaments, and in other people's servers, is such a difficult concept for people to comprehend. I don't care what FC does on their servers, or what they do in single player. But when I'm facing a guy with no brush and constant radar, it's just as game breaking as a guy sitting in the wall, shooting everything that moves outside.
I understand your point of view,the only thing i can't understand is that people talk as if radar were an auto-aim hack,as i said,i don't use it,one guy outside FC asked if i wanted to have it,i said: No,thanks.Even though, i won duels playing against people that have radar (and i'm not a really good player) .The point is,if the guy who is using radar,dont press the button on the mouse to kill you,does radar mod makes any difference? (again,i understand what you said there)
I understand the first subject of this thread, and I honestly want to say that it's certain members I got mad at back when you all seemed to have hated me. Like Kishan for example, who many times I asked for a fair duel and he would still come in Cheap-mods-a-blazin. And the member Grim, who attacked me for commenting on your guestbook. (HINT THE WORD "GUEST" IN GUESTBOOK. Honestly nobody seems to follow that anymore and just uses them as chats...) But still, there are certain things I do have against FC that unless I get an apology, I don't see at all why I shouldn't hold those.
Quote from: Nobility on January 09, 2013, 06:06:30 PM
Cheap-mods-a-blazin.
What's so cheap about a mod that can be easily downloaded and installed from this forum?
Quote from: Droideclaus on January 09, 2013, 05:53:06 PM
But in the past few weeks, I've been fighting against anything but fair play. I don't understand why playing the game vanilla in tournaments, and in other people's servers, is such a difficult concept for people to comprehend. I don't care what FC does on their servers, or what they do in single player. But when I'm facing a guy with no brush and constant radar, it's just as game breaking as a guy sitting in the wall, shooting everything that moves outside.
I disagree. No brush and radar mods are available for all players, how is it unfair? Sitting in a wallhack is unfair because you can kill anyone who tries to enter the glitch, making you 'invincible'. That is not the case with no-brush, skin mods, radar. They are advantages that every player has a choice whether or not to use. They do not provide you with invincibility, only a tactical advantage which can fairly be countered by the opponent.
Your choice to not use mods is fine, but calling it unfair that other players have a choice to use them, and choose to do so is not fine. If you want to say its unfair because you 'dont know how' to install them, add me on xfire and i will walk you through the process step by step. If you don't want to use mods, its unfair to say everyone else has to conform to your play style or else they are cheaters.
Quote from: Disciple on January 09, 2013, 06:00:01 PM
The point is,if the guy who is using radar,dont press the button on the mouse to kill you,does radar mod makes any difference? (again,i understand what you said there)
But sometimes the mouse button gets pressed and you get shot in the back as you try to take a CP from behind...
Then make a public server with radar.
Quote from: [FC]Helios on January 09, 2013, 06:16:37 PM
Then make a public server with radar.
Radar use in FC servers is condoned and encouraged, from what I understand. What is your point?
As in where the server has the radar mod
Quote from: [FC]Helios on January 09, 2013, 06:20:21 PM
As in where the server has the radar mod
That requires all clients to use a downloaded mod which most don't want to do.
Forcing everyone to use radar or not use radar requires download mod. No other solution has been discovered yet to "force" either extreme.
Quote from: Phobos on January 09, 2013, 06:21:49 PM
That requires all clients to use a downloaded mod which most don't want to do.
Forcing everyone to use radar or not use radar requires download mod. No other solution has been discovered yet to "force" either extreme.
Oh ok, well when the reinforcement counts go down to 15 you everyone gets radar.
Quote from: Buckler on January 09, 2013, 06:15:17 PM
But sometimes the mouse button gets pressed and you get shot in the back as you try to take a CP from behind...
Can't that happen when your not using any mods too? Ive done that many times....
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Ill stop posting in this topic,all i had to say was said and i tried to look at it in the best way as possible,trying to understand both sides.If you wanna talk with me about it please pm me here or in xfire.This topic is going nowhere and posting here wont change anyones mind.Thanks
Quote from: [FC]Helios on January 09, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
Oh ok, well when the reinforcement counts go down to 15 you everyone gets radar.
exe scripted, we can't change that
Quote from: Phobos on January 09, 2013, 06:34:17 PM
exe scripted, we can't change that
I would if I knew how, and if it worked on the server. I am not sure what exe variable turns it on though (and its actually 20, and only for teams with 20 or less tickets). It could also be a client side variable.
Quote from: Disciple on January 09, 2013, 06:26:41 PM
Can't that happen when your not using any mods too? Ive done that many times....
Yes, it can happen, but why it happens make a difference to a some people.
Quote from: Phobos on January 09, 2013, 06:11:17 PM
What's so cheap about a mod that can be easily downloaded and installed from this forum?
The problem is, I cannot, for my parents forbid downloading mods onto their computer, the only one I can currently use for SWBF. I do recall mentioning this while asking for the fair fight.
But, when my parts roll in and I get my own computer set up, I'd be happy to take him on at his level.
Every time. Anything doing with FC or any clan for that matter comes to the Radar issue. :confused:
What if we take radar out of the equation. Now do people hate/love FC?
Quote from: Nobility on January 09, 2013, 07:16:45 PM
The problem is, I cannot, for my parents forbid downloading mods onto their computer, the only one I can currently use for SWBF. I do recall mentioning this while asking for the fair fight.
But, when my parts roll in and I get my own computer set up, I'd be happy to take him on at his level.
Valid point at least you have a legitimate reason unlike most of the rest who just don't want to even try mods.
Well as i told you, i don't see the point of blowing this up. Its the first time, i've actually read all the posts in a topic...and i must say im a little disappointed. Mostly because I only see three problems, and none of you are trying to solve them. Therefor you all act like little children, who just want to be right.
1. Respecting each other (i think the whole thing started because of this), If FC wants to play with radar, let them...and respect their wishes. You don't need to play on their servers, nor do you have to convince them to changing it, simply because you dont like it.
2. The whole Tunnle/Radar/Gamespy thingy...Again who wants to use it, uses it...who doesn't, doesn't
3. Not enough recommendation, it's true that if you don't get the recommendation you should get...it's annoying.
Solving stuff:
1. Respecting each other is the basis of everything, do not make this worse then it is...respect FC and FC must respect you.
2. Do not argue about this point, everybody has their own favorite thing...let them have their thing and you yours
3. If it's recommendation you want i can help >D, Recommendation is like a brand...you have to build it up
For example i didn't even know you where a FC guy Phobos, it doesn't show anywhere.
A few tips and tricks to gain a strong brand:
1. Don't change your name, it can destroy everything you've been doing in an instant (take unit for this example, i only recognized him because of his writing style and his avatar)
2. Show off with the brand you want to be having, i use my the Darth and V for Vendetta style in everything i do. (See avatar, sig, lines and other stuff)
If you want people to recognize you to be FC, then do so...make a sig with a big FC sign, put it in your lines and stuff (or when making something say a line like: without my dear collegeas from FC i couldn't have made this happen). Then without even knowing it, people will start to see you as a part of FC and recognize the stuff FC does
And if you make something, don't be afraid to ask something in return. For example making a tutorial...you can ask if you get the recommendation for that in the topic and such.
(i can go on with this for hours, does anybody thinks this is handy stuff?)