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Are we going to have another torunament like a double knock out again? The last one that Sleepkiller had was a great torunament but i was thinking we could have more people and maybe a twilight cloud city like the one FC has.

I would take part in another tournament but the problem with that type of tournament is that its always the same players in the later stages. I had an idea for a tournament a while ago where 20 (or any amount) of players are ranked in a list and you can challenge anyone within 3 places to a duel. That way it can keep going as people get better.

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 07, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
I had an idea for a tournament a while ago where 20 (or any amount) of players are ranked in a list and you can challenge anyone within 3 places to a duel. That way it can keep going as people get better.

Great idea! Let's try it!  :tu:

YES! sounds great Gdh92 lets try to get ppl to join

Sorry for double posting but If u would like to join this tournament comment below and we'll figure out the Server host and map to be played lets hope this tourney is a great tourney! Good luck to all! :tu:


P.S: If you have any ideas feel free to share them :)

This was just an idea I had a while ago. I think it still needs a bit more planning, :)
If you want to organise something I'll join or I'm willing to put together some rules and sort things out myself if you/other people want  but remember alot of tournaments fail and theres alot of work setting them up especially with the ICW already happening.

ok so ya lets create some rules and we`ll figure out a date and a host but lets take care of that over PMing

I will join too :P ...did'nt see no 212 in the top player list.... ;) oh yea and my ingame name is 212 Adv  Vixo
:D

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 07, 2012, 08:57:18 AM
I would take part in another tournament but the problem with that type of tournament is that its always the same players in the later stages. I had an idea for a tournament a while ago where 20 (or any amount) of players are ranked in a list and you can challenge anyone within 3 places to a duel. That way it can keep going as people get better.

i like the idea. Maybe limit the number of times someone can be challenge in a week, or how many times some one can be challenged or something like that. Also a time limit on when have to respond to challenge by.

and maybe have the rankings look like this? http://espn.go.com/tennis/rankings
have clan, if they are moving up or down, record, highest rank, etc.

There could be a tourament like eSports where you get you and 3 and your friends on a "team" have a name name and play 4v4 matches all day :D

Ummm.... I don't think we should have a tournament like that just a 1v1 kind of thing but thanks for sharing that idea Arrow  :D

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 07, 2012, 12:04:43 PM
This was just an idea I had a while ago. I think it still needs a bit more planning, :)
If you want to organise something I'll join or I'm willing to put together some rules and sort things out myself if you/other people want  but remember alot of tournaments fail and theres alot of work setting them up especially with the ICW already happening.

Count me in  :D Sounds like fun, although I think it would be best to plan now and wait untill the ICW is over so it would conflict.

Sure thing Norris we are going to start planning it out and most likely wait for the ICW to finish so more people will be able to join this tournament :happy:

As long as the ICW is over, I'll probably try to participate!

I would love to participate!  ;) just not when the icw is still going. that would be hectic :blink:

Yes yes it would!    :whip:

Edit: When does the ICW end exactly?

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 08, 2012, 06:53:03 AM
Yes yes it would!    :whip:

Edit: When does the ICW end exactly?

There is no exact time  :wacko: It could end next week or in 3 months. it all depends on how things pan out as paople make attacks. I would guess it would be over in the next 3-4 weeks.  ;)

well lets hope it doesnt take to to long so we can get this torney on the road ASAP

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 08, 2012, 07:38:57 AM
well lets hope it doesnt take to to long so we can get this torney on the road ASAP

I'm enjoying the ICW so hopefully it keeps going for a while. :)
If theres no objections I'll start working on some rules since there seems to be some interest in this. Can you (Sev) let me know if you want to help out at all or just play in it. :)

Oh dont get me wrong ill help out for sure me and u can be Admins if thats what u want.

Thats good to hear. I really don't mind either way. I'll type up a first draft of the rules soon then you and other people can help make changes to improve it. What do you think about having 2 leader boards one for single duels and one for teams of 4?

Edit if you turn on xfire we can use that to save posting lots of messages here :)

sorry dont have Xfire no more made my computer Lag alot so we'd have to PM the drafts or what not. :(

No problem. Hopefully I'll edit this post later with a draft.

Edit: Full rules below.

Alright cant wait!

Edit on Sunday 8th: Hopefully this is the final version....

Rules and outline:
The swbf leaderboards tournament will be split into two sections one for individuals and one for teams of four and will start on September 1st. Thanks to Led/Buckler it will be hosted by SWBFgamers.

Individuals:
The first 20 (I'm optimistic) people to join will be be given random numbers to order them in the scoreboard. If you want to move up in the rankings you need to challenge someone within 3 places of you(for example number 7 can challenge 6, 5 or 4). If you win you take their place and they move down one. New players have to start at the bottom and work up.

Every player is expected to accept 2 challenges a week but there is no maximum. Admins will oversee any matches where a player requests it but both players can agree to no admins before matches. If you want screenshots from the other player you can also arrange this before the match. There would be a time limit of 20 minutes per match for individuals (then first kill wins for ties). There will be no CP bleed (meaning reenforcements will only go down with kills but CPs can be captured.

Teams:
Teams must have 6 registered members and can change only one member a week. Time limit is 30 minutes per match. Other rules are the same as individuals except teams can only challenge within two places and there will be CP bleed.

Both:
The defender would choose the era and map from Cloud city and Mos Eisley with the condition that 2 people cannot play the same map twice in a row. The attacker would choose the team. Gameplay would be capturing cps but no special units for the sake of balance.

Rules:
1.Screenshots must be taken of all scores.
2.No mods (minimap always on, transparency etc.) Only crosshairs and player skins are allowed.
3.No cussing/swearing
4.No wall hacking
5.Remember this just a game so be nice and play fairly with other players.
6.No challenging the same player more than 2 weeks in a row.
7.No special units (Jets, Wookie or Droideka)
8.No tanks
9.If an admin is requested for a match the match must start within 10 minutes of the proposed time. It will  then start regardless of how many players are present.
10.Matches are based on the position of the players before the match not the leaderboard. Example: If player 5 beats 4 he is then out of range of player 8 even if the leaderboard has not been updated yet. Its not as confusing as that sounds :).
11.Any arguments over matches must be posted the smae day     
Penalties for breaking these rules will normally take the form of a place drop.

Please let me know if you think anything should be changed.

Yes and there will be 1.No wallhacking
2.No poor sportsmanship
3.No cussing
4. If u r going to join please make it to your matches

Led/Buckler has agreed to host the server for this tourey. A big thanks to him :cheers:

Thanks Sev. I'll edit the last post as suggestions come in. Thanks Led for hosting. Since thats the biggest problem sorted I'll try and finish the basics by the weekend then leave this topic for general conversation and start another one with the rules and leader board where matches can be arranged.

Plaese keep ideas coming in and post below if you want to join. Then hopefully in a couple of weeks we can be playing in this :)

I'll definitely want to compete, although my schedule might get a big rough with school starting next week.

Not quite sure how i feel about the idea of CPing though, unless you disallow the use of specialty classes. I think jets would have an unfair advantage.

Quote from: Jon415 on August 08, 2012, 04:27:37 PM
Not quite sure how i feel about the idea of CPing though, unless you disallow the use of specialty classes. I think jets would have an unfair advantage.

You can always use fair sides like I did in the I organized. I specifically chose the rebels because their were no jets and the droideka would have lagged.

I would suggest a "no tank" rule on Mos Eisley. Otherwise it would be really bad...

Quote from: [YAK]ComFrost on August 08, 2012, 08:27:21 PM
I would suggest a "no tank" rule on Mos Eisley. Otherwise it would be really bad...

Tanks can easily be disabled server side. And with a tournament you can easily make people download an addon map that enforces Anti-Cheat measures and rules as I did with the one I organized.

I'd like to see something like empire vs empire, or maybe something like the ICW but with all vehicles removed.

Phobos that sounds great and would you like to make the map for this tourney? A Bespin Twilight map.

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 09, 2012, 05:21:19 AM
Phobos that sounds great and would you like to make the map for this tourney? A Bespin Twilight map.

It depends I'm currently working on other mods what would this custom map entail?

A map that makes Wall hacking impossible, one with Empire skins that dont totally stand out, and makes it impossible to enter the carbon freezing chamber. if thats ok with you

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 09, 2012, 07:41:34 AM
A map that makes Wall hacking impossible, one with Empire skins that dont totally stand out, and makes it impossible to enter the carbon freezing chamber. if thats ok with you

If someone else wants to make that map I'll send them the twilight textures and sky. I already have 2 other cloud city duel mod maps to build first so I don't have enough time to make that kind of mod you want.

ah thats alright Phobos ill try to get Sleepkiller or another modder to do it. thanx anyway though :)

I wasn't planning on special troops. I just forgot it in the rules :(. I agree about no tanks. To get the most players involved I want to avoid mods and addons (at least at the start). But like I said I would rather include as many peoples ideas as possible.

You could use the CC-Hallway Only mod. Only the server host has to have it installed for it to work.

I don't know what the genearal thoughts are but to make this tournament different from others and to encourage players who don't normally play in this sort of thing I wanted standard 1.2 gameplay with no mods. I do think we need to remove special units and tanks though to keep things balanced.

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 09, 2012, 10:58:50 AM
I don't know what the genearal thoughts are but to make this tournament different from others and to encourage players who don't normally play in this sort of thing I wanted standard 1.2 gameplay with no mods. I do think we need to remove special units and tanks though to keep things balanced.

1.0, 1-on-1, with no CPs would be really unfair. Whoever has the Jet faction will win, since they can get to the CPs faster. Perhaps 1.1 with teams of two would work? It's not too many people, but just enough for you to strategize and use teamwork.

1-on-1 duels are a matter of who is the better player. 2-on-2 would let that stretch a little to see who can utilize their teammate to their advantage best.
IE: One CPs while the other protects CPs, or splitting up the map into two parts for each person to cover.

Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on August 09, 2012, 11:06:55 AM
1.0, 1-on-1, with no CPs would be really unfair. Whoever has the Jet faction will win, since they can get to the CPs faster. Perhaps 1.1 with teams of two would work? It's not too many people, but just enough for you to strategize and use teamwork.

1-on-1 duels are a matter of who is the better player. 2-on-2 would let that stretch a little to see who can utilize their teammate to their advantage best.
IE: One CPs while the other protects CPs, or splitting up the map into two parts for each person to cover.

There will be no jets (or other special units). The one on one is designed to find the best player, even though theres cps there would be a low enough re-enforcement count that they woud only be useful for spawning. I need to look at ticket bleed on these maps though:) For teamwork there will be a 4 on 4 tournament with the same rules.

actually i found some useful assets which could be used to make this kind of mod map:
hall only when a player spawns at hall, and then chamber entrances blocked off

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 09, 2012, 11:14:39 AM
There will be no jets (or other special units). The one on one is designed to find the best player, even though theres cps there would be a low enough re-enforcement count that they woud only be useful for spawning. I need to look at ticket bleed on these maps though:) For teamwork there will be a 4 on 4 tournament with the same rules.

bleed can be disabled, so too can capturing cps

Quote from: Buckler on August 09, 2012, 01:08:59 PM
bleed can be disabled, so too can capturing cps

Can you disable bleed by using a command?

Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on August 09, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
Can you disable bleed by using a command?

Mission lua mod, but it can be server side.  However, I would suggest using a mod map anyway.

I can make the mission lua for you.  It would not be difficult for me with a stock map.

Can you make a server side mod for Mos Eisley, Cloud City and Rhen Var? Theres no hurry it's just when you have time. I would rather not have any downloads since it would be nice to encourage new players. If glitching becomes a problem we'll have to consider mod maps and I've still got to work out a system where we don't need 6 servers at once (3 maps for 1on1 and 3 for 4on4).

Well Gdh92 i think we should have a modded map so no glitching or hacks can be used.

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 09, 2012, 02:41:25 PM
Well Gdh92 i think we should have a modded map so no glitching or hacks can be used.

No glitching mods are possible, but are very time consuming to make.  I don't think you will be able
to get any modder to make more anti-glitch maps these days, although SleepKiller made a good one for cloud city.

Sounds like what you need is a THX 1138 mod ie a pure white surface extending forever

Seriously though, is glitching even attractive in the slightest? Does it really offer any serious advantage? All it would take is a screenshot to nullify the match if someone glitches anyway

By all means remove bleed/cps/etc, but i reach for my guns when people blanketly say "no hacks". You can't control all the variables without ruining the fun. That should be taken into consideration I think.

Well i guess we could have a match judge, to make sure no one cheats or hacks. Lets take a vote

Quote from: FC.Ldr.Joseph on August 09, 2012, 04:36:17 PM

By all means remove bleed/cps/etc, but i reach for my guns when people blanketly say "no hacks". You can't control all the variables without ruining the fun. That should be taken into consideration I think.

I think something close to an even playing field is always appreciated by tournament players.  Maybe we could give everyone the radar hack on a mod map since we can't control who uses it or not.

To me, I don't think it would be fun on a 1v1 if only one side had it.

Quote from: Commando Sev on August 09, 2012, 04:52:48 PM
Well i guess we could have a match judge, to make sure no one cheats or hacks. Lets take a vote

I have an idea. make both players take screenshots in the server and upload them to xfire for inspection before the match starts. they would need to take pictures for all units, primary and secondary weapon, zoomed and unzoomed, to make sure they are not using minimap or other "hacks".

I would like your thoughts on the saneness of this idea.

also, I the tourney should absolutely be set up so that no admin is needed if possible. it makes things so much easier, reduces the difficulty of scheduling to an absolute minimum, and generally reduces headache.

Quote from: FC.Joseph on August 09, 2012, 07:33:48 PM

also, I the tourney should absolutely be set up so that no admin is needed if possible. it makes things so much easier, reduces the difficulty of scheduling to an absolute minimum, and generally reduces headache.

There are many ways to have tournaments.  Somethings are possible, some things are not, and some things are not practical.  But it is good to have the discussion.

Quote from: FC.Joseph on August 09, 2012, 07:33:48 PM
I have an idea. make both players take screenshots in the server and upload them to xfire for inspection before the match starts. they would need to take pictures for all units, primary and secondary weapon, zoomed and unzoomed, to make sure they are not using minimap or other "hacks".

I think that many screenshots is going overboard. Also radar is a mod not hack. I think I agree with what Led says about giving it to everyone though. Either force everyone to use it or force everyone not to since people can't seem to agree on having it optional.

led suggested building it into a particular mod somehow, that's a good idea

Well these are both gold ideas. I'll take them up with Gdh92. I'll post our decision as soon as possible.

It seems quite a few people want mod maps. I would rather keep the tournament accessible so that any one who can play swbf online can join and only have to post in this forum. Hopefully then they will visit this site and start to use mod maps but I wanted this to be a SWBF tournament not a mod map tournament. Without wanting to overcomplicate things maybe we could have a no mod mod map and admins/stricter rules for the top 10.

Sev: We need to find a way to talk in private if you really want to share ideas.
Edit: I've sent you a message on this site. You can send me one by clicking on my profile.

Piliots are also an addvantage unless both sides are the same e.g rep piliot uses some magnetic shot thing that akways hits. So its a good idea for 1.0 rules or same eras

If a mod map is used, it is possible to change the pilot weapon to a shotgun to make it more fair.

Or the tournament participants could all download new sides.

If this becomes a serious problem we'll have to consider mod maps but I really want this to be a simple drop in tournament.

  :cheer:I would like to particapate to.  :cheer:And i would like to know if anybody has CrossHairs if you have one send me the links on my x fire. :cheer:
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Quote from: (212)Assasin on October 19, 2012, 08:39:17 PM
  :cheer:I would like to particapate to.  :cheer:And i would like to know if anybody has CrossHairs if you have one send me the links on my x fire. :cheer:
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