Hey guys! I'm still alive...sort of.
Do you remember Darth Bane, how he was the reason why the Sith managed to survive as long as they did? Or maybe Revan's fall into darkness and redemption? Or how about a squad or Republic Commando clones fighting on Kashyyyk, forced to leave a brother behind? How about Luke's new Jedi Order? I could make a near endless list of examples. Well great news everybody! That's all NON-CANON now. That's right, even the legendary Admiral Thrawn himself is no longer a part of the Star Wars Universe.
Lucasfilm has decided to pull a completely :censored: move and classify everything that isn't part of the movies, the Clone Wars tv show, and the upcoming Rebels show, as non-canon. Why? In a terrible attempt to "unify" the Star Wars universe. What makes this so funny? In episode one, Darth Maul is killed by being cut in half and sent down a power generator. Then, many years later, he returns during the clone wars, somehow managing to cling to life and even getting to another planet in a system parsecs away from the location of his apparent death. Yeah, good job keeping the timeline coherent Lucas, good job.
I only have one reply to this:
Go suck Weequay :censored:, Lucasfilm.
PS: I don't know if you can tell, but I'm rather biased here.
Offical blog post (http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html)
Oh come on LucasFilm. If you're going to do this at least get rid of all the stupid canon TCW introduced.
Although I honestly don't care. It's a shame to see them get rid of a lot of great stuff while leaving a lot of bad stuff but oh well. The only SW media I care about is the movies and SWKOTOR. (I only care about the first game in the series, not the squeal or the MMO.) I will continue to love SWKOTOR regardless of if it is part of canon, it's more than strong enough to stand by itself.
I swear it's about time we get a ton of Star Wars fans and execute Order 66 all up in Disney/Lucas's :censored:
Quote from: Whisper (Vokunvahlok) on April 25, 2014, 08:24:00 PM
I swear it's about time we get a ton of Star Wars fans and execute Order 66 all up in Disney/Lucas's :censored:
Sign me up.
Well, I for one am completely shocked!
I guess that's Disney for ya. Trying to make everything seem unified, while at the same time dropping everything that ever was apart of Star Wars canon.
Of everything, I still loved The Clone Wars, Republic Commandos, Death Troopers, all of it. To see over 40 years worth of authorized books and comics published by LucasFilm all go down the drain, it's rather saddening.
It appears everyone who hated Disney was right. Disney was going to screw the :censored: out of LuasFilm, and milk every single nickel out of 'em for as long as possible.
Quote from: Gold Man on April 25, 2014, 09:24:42 PM
It appears everyone who hated Disney was right. Disney was going to screw the :censored: out of LuasFilm, and milk every single nickel out of 'em for as long as possible.
How is this "milking every single nickel out of 'em" exactly? Sure it sucks for all you hardcore fans but ultimately all that content wasn't made by the original creator in the first place, they have every right to throw it out the window in favour of their new movies and content.
Quote from: SleepKiller on April 25, 2014, 08:15:49 PM
Oh come on LucasFilm. If you're going to do this at least get rid of all the stupid canon TCW introduced.
Although I honestly don't care. It's a shame to see them get rid of a lot of great stuff while leaving a lot of bad stuff but oh well. The only SW media I care about is the movies and SWKOTOR. (I only care about the first game in the series, not the squeal or the MMO.) I will continue to love SWKOTOR regardless of if it is part of canon, it's more than strong enough to stand by itself.
Let's all hear it for SWKoTOR! And not the MMO.
The Clone Wars was... well... keep Thrawn, get rid of Clone Wars. I hope they keep writing "non-canon" books. I loved most of the series that were produced.
Thrawn was even in empire at war forces of corruption but hold on erryone I got someptn to say.....George Lucas himself did some of the novels dirty too and the older movies like Rtj changing the ending with jar jar binks and with Hayden Christensen here's the thing erryone. You don't have to deal with thier reality of things. They didnt care about the already established reality so they are tryna change it but we don't have to listen to what they say we can still have it fit somewhere in the reality we have and disregard what they say....it'll just be a typo in the films when they put the date In it.
I foresee a format much like how they've treated the Marvel universe.
Discarding the canon and rewriting it for the purpose of releasing synchronised media...
By that I mean how the relentless release of the Avengers films etc are mirrored by the story arcs in the TV series 'Agents of Shield' and the newer comics.
I reckon something like this approach will happen, but even more so (Lucas Arts had intended to do something similar with their many unfinished projects before they got demolished).
I think it was always going to happen so that the new films wouldn't have too many background details to worry about but it does annoy me that 30+ years of books and comics probably won't be continued. The books won't be made any worse by this of course but it does mean that the stories seem to matter less now.
Luckily KOTOR is in the past so they can't touch that. :)
Well I ain't gonna say much else but... I FUDGIN' TOLD YOU SO, but in all likelihood, non-canon is just a label, it's not like any of these things just disappeared and we're never created, I mean we all knew Disney was gonna screw over Star Wars. This and Emperor Mickey ( [spoiler](https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi60.tinypic.com%2Fmcq9t2.jpg&hash=8d32817e47247306acb4430dedbf4d3d43728083)[/spoiler] ) is their way of doing it
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:td: I am genuinely ticked off by this. I expected some leeway for the sequels, but EVERYTHING?!?! What the Freak, Disney?!?! I have honestly spent more time reading/playing EU stuff then I have watching the movies AND the TV series COMBINED!!! If this is how they're gunna be i'm not gunna give a crap about the sequels! Your gunna lose A LOT of fans, Disnyfilm! Do you have ANY idea how much time and MONEY people put into creating the EU? or how much time it took for people to piece it all together? All that for NOTHING!!! I'll stay a fan of star wars, but i'll no longer accept official canon. [/Rant]
R.I.P Star Wars Expanded Universe.
Everything? Dis ees sum bull:censored:
but why.. When people are already wary of disney messing things up, why would they prove everyone right? Just plain stupid.
2 things:
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Jaxxon (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaxxon)
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Skippy the Jedi Droid (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skippy_the_Jedi_Droid)
(Still better than the young Anakin force ghost at the end of Jedi.)
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on April 26, 2014, 08:20:57 AM
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That makes so much sense!
Come to think of it, what if they did like a Star Wars meets Disney (live-action meets animation) sort of thing for an episode/movie? Let it be only on TV, of course.
I think that would be rather interesting. Imagine it like the Who Framed Roger Rabbit movie. Except all the animated characters would be Disney characters and the live-action would be Star Wars characters.
Honestly I would watch that. I kinda enjoy "crossover"(for lack of a better word) movies.
Quote from: tirpider on April 26, 2014, 11:45:50 AM
2 things:
(Still better than the young Anakin force ghost at the end of Jedi.)
I'll see your 2 things and raise you 3 things:
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Suncrusher
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That time Luke Skywalker turned to the Darkside.
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That time the Emperor came back as a clone(s).
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Quote from: Unit 33 on April 26, 2014, 12:02:54 PM
I'll see your 2 things and raise you 3 things:
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Suncrusher
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That time Luke Skywalker turned to the Darkside.
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That time the Emperor came back as a clone(s).
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Ill see your sun crusher and raise you a waru http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Waru
I'm still laughing over Skippy the Jedi Droid... poor Skippy :bye:
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on April 26, 2014, 04:31:05 AM
I think it was always going to happen so that the new films wouldn't have too many background details to worry about but it does annoy me that 30+ years of books and comics probably won't be continued.
As much as I hate what has happened, I kind of think the opposite of what you said. Maybe this will break the rule about mentioning Sev's fate. I hope that out of this terrible thing we get a final story about him.
:cheers:
Well its not such a bad thing. The EU needed some much needed cleaning anyway. Its mostly ROTJ stuff thats pretty much out the window. Bane is still canon incase you didnt see him in that clone wars story arc with yoda that appeared on netflix, its not like every single EU is gone.
lol....cloned palpitine...yeah thats one thing im not going to personaly miss anytime soon.(With respect to those whom liked that storie. Just wasn't my cup of tea)
How so? Becuase I appreciate and welcome new experiences? Becuase I want stories that dont rehash super weapons and jedi extinction/return of the sith over and over? (Though that is respectfully just a few of them, not all Eu). That being said, there was some respectful things about EU, espcially for those authors with didnt go crazy overboard with the original material.
not in the movies, didnt happen
Quote from: 411Remnant on April 26, 2014, 09:35:00 PM
cloned palpitine... just wasn't my cup of tea)
No argument here. Probably one of the more ridiculous things folks have tried to make starwars into.. Probably some unpaid book writer's intern.
Also, Ecko, I think that's a bit rash.. Theres a whole bunch that George wasn't able to produce as movies (seriously, a lot), so now his starwars universe doesn't exist because he didn't make a movie out of it?
ill just do a quick reason as to why its bad. general grevious in episode 3 revenge of the sith was coughing up a lung. in the television series the clone wars in like 2003 its showed that his lungs got force crushed by mace windu. because everything is now noncanon that whole reason for him coughing up a lung no longer exists so now hes just doin that causes no reason
Quote from: hellish hellbird on April 26, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
ill just do a quick reason as to why its bad. general grevious in episode 3 revenge of the sith was coughing up a lung. in the television series the clone wars in like 2003 its showed that his lungs got force crushed by mace windu. because everything is now noncanon that whole reason for him coughing up a lung no longer exists so now hes just doin that causes no reason
Uh-huh. To someone like me who thinks that show and the newer show are complete balls I am still unconvinced as to how this is bad.
Well here's the thing, there's no reason the new EU won't simply rehash some of the older stories, but just in a more refined circumspect way.
I doubt they're just going to make stuff up.
Alright, heres my
opinion on the matter. ( I might be wrong, I might not please you )
I was not that alarmed by this anouncement concerning some parts of the EU. I might miss Thrawn, the Skywalker's legacy, Boba Fett. I'm somewhat happy that Chewbacca won't die because they threw a moon at him, Darth Sidious' clones, and his 3-eyed sons are questionable events. Some parts of the EU needed cleanup because it was - to me - very unlikely in the Star Wars Universe ( Yhuuzan Vongs? ). Remnant sums it up :
Quote from: 411Remnant on April 26, 2014, 10:12:34 PM
I want stories that dont rehash super weapons and jedi extinction/return of the sith over and over? [...] there was some respectful things about EU, espcially for those authors with didnt go crazy overboard with the original material.
" Lucasfilm has begun mapping out the narrative future of Star Wars storytelling that will appear on film and television and in other media so that all projects will benefit from real-time collaboration and alignment. The future Star Wars novels from Disney Publishing Worldwide and Del Rey Books will now be part of the official Star Wars canon as reflected on upcoming TV and movie screens. " ( source (http://starwars.com/news/disney-publishing-worldwide-and-random-house-announce-relaunch-of-star-wars-adult-fiction-line.html) )
To me, it would have been a disappointment if the next trilogy was based on the EU, because there will always be people not satisfied with the adaptation ( Harry Potter books and films are two different things ). It's better for Abrams to propose a new story ( not so new since Star Wars was supposed to be in three trilogies, thus maybe there was some plans already done for this one ). Expanded Universe can still be in another timeline and be a source of entertainment.
Quote from: hellish hellbird on April 26, 2014, 10:39:02 PM
because everything is now noncanon that whole reason ( his lungs got force crushed by mace windu ) for him coughing up a lung no longer exists so now hes just doin that causes no reason
"
He - Lucas -
set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. [...] Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic installments of Star Wars, all aspects of Star Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected.". This is what makes me sad. Even early-Star Wars events are discarded. While I don't like the post-BY EU, I thind pre-Phantom Menace ( Origins of the force, Revan, Bane, Mandalorians... ) extremely well written, and I don't think there will be any better plot of this era ( and the Lucasfilm Story Group wouldn't create content contradicting this part of the EU ).
One thing :
All upcoming content will fit the next Star Wars films' storyline. I think this choice has not been made in one day. If they thought about it for some time, it might explain why announced games ( 1313, Battlefront 3 ( Free Radical ), Damage ) were cancelled. LucasFilm is going to keep control on the story told by future games. Thus why our long-awaited third opus took so much time to come out. Or why Star Wars 1313 ( being about Boba Fett in the depths of Coruscant - how exciting it would have been! ) is not happening. ( The cancelled Darth Maul & Darth Krayt game aswel )
Welp, that was long and I'm starting to get confused by what I want to say.
I think the new canon should be treated like a reboot, something like this:
"Classic" Star Wars:
Episodes I-VI
Old EU
Some elements of The Clone Wars
"Reboot" Star Wars:
Episodes I-IX
The Clone Wars & Rebels
New EU
Quote from: Syyy on April 28, 2014, 10:07:34 AM
Alright, heres my opinion on the matter. ( I might be wrong, I might not please you )
I was not that alarmed by this anouncement concerning some parts of the EU. I might miss Thrawn, the Skywalker's legacy, Boba Fett. I'm somewhat happy that Chewbacca won't die because they threw a moon at him, Darth Sidious' clones, and his 3-eyed sons are questionable events. Some parts of the EU needed cleanup because it was - to me - very unlikely in the Star Wars Universe ( Yhuuzan Vongs? ).
I'll whole heartedly agree that was the primary problem with 60% of the ex-EU, so much of it was just tonally wrong, the design was often all over the place and didn't fit the basic template established on screen.
But it redeemed itself on many occasions, Thrawn is often cited as well as Mara or Kyle Katarn... a lot of the books/comics/graphic novels were absolutely grand reads
They had a video from the star wars youtube channel that depcited what some of the people from lucas film liked about the EU. Soemthing that troubles me is that they showed off a lot of good stuff thats potential going to be made un canon like kotor and The force unleashed. I may not have liked all the Eu, but it did have its moments of glory and great story telling.
Oh here we go, more clarification from Disney:
"All Star Wars games, comics, novels and other expanded media have been designated non-canon by Lucasfilm.
In a newly published statement on the matter, Lucasfilm makes it unequivocal that there are only seven products in the Star Wars universe that should be considered canon; the six films, along with The Clone Wars TV show.
It means that the dozens of Star Wars games and their stories are not considered integral to the overall plot. Games such as BioWare's seminal Knights of the Old Republic, along with LucasArts' own The Force Unleashed, are categorically disconnected to the films.
"While Lucasfilm always strived to keep the stories created for the expanded universe consistent with our film and television content as well as internally consistent, Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU. He set the films he created as the canon," reads an official blog post on the matter.
"This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align."However, the corporation has pledged to draw a line under the matter, claiming that future expanded media will be better integrated with the future films. That could include the upcoming games in development across EA.
"Now, with an exciting future filled with new cinematic instalments of Star Wars, all aspects of Star Wars storytelling moving forward will be connected," the corporation said.
"Under Lucasfilm President Kathleen Kennedy's direction, the company for the first time ever has formed a story group to oversee and coordinate all Star Wars creative development."
Kennedy said the company has "an unprecedented slate of new Star Wars entertainment on the horizon".
Do they mean the 2003 clone wars too?
Quote from: hellish hellbird on April 28, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
Do they mean the 2003 clone wars too?
Eeyup.
I'm sad that they discarded TFU and Darth Plagueis. TFU had great potential and it's a story arc they never, ever finished and now they never will.
Quote from: hellish hellbird on April 28, 2014, 02:19:26 PM
Do they mean the 2003 clone wars too?
Well, it said "THE Clone Wars", not "Clone Wars", so I'd assume the '03 series is now considered non-canon as well. Sorry. :(
I'l admit, I never was a fan of the old Clone Wars series at first, but after my brother got involved watching the episodes on YouTube, I decided to watch it myself. It had a unique design, however it wasn't quite my cup of tea story-line wise, even though it did connect Episodes 2 and 3 nicely.
can i ask for permission from someone to post links about why this was a horrible idea? it has like swearing in it so thats why im asking... but its really relevant to this whole thing
Quote from: Unit 33 on April 28, 2014, 01:57:25 PM
It means that the dozens of Star Wars games and their stories are not considered integral to the overall plot. Games such as BioWare's seminal Knights of the Old Republic, along with LucasArts' own The Force Unleashed, are categorically disconnected to the films.
Maaaaan....
Quote from: ggctuk2005 on April 28, 2014, 02:47:37 PM
Eeyup.
I'm sad that they discarded TFU and Darth Plagueis. TFU had great potential and it's a story arc they never, ever finished and now they never will.
IKR?!?
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My Opinion:
Well, it could go either way, it seems to have it's ups and downs. On the plus side the new EU will be a lot more streamlined. However old favorites such as The Thrawn Trilogy, KotOR, Republic Commando, TFU and maybe even SWTOR will no longer be considered part of the "Official" Star Wars Universe. But if you think about it, the old EU didn't die (see my earlier rant), it just got rebooted. There's the classic SW universe we know and love, the "Legends" universe, if you will, and then there's the new Universe that will be (hopefully), just as good if not better. Think of it like Star Trek or Battlestar Galactica. Let's just hope Disney doesn't screw it up.
Just say goodbye to the ever loved jedi hutt.. Lel
and samurai jedi :c http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roni_von_Wasaki
Quote from: hellish hellbird on April 28, 2014, 03:22:35 PM
can i ask for permission from someone to post links about why this was a horrible idea? it has like swearing in it so thats why im asking... but its really relevant to this whole thing
Just please put a warning in the post before the link.
[spoiler]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABcXyZn9xjg[/spoiler] if you can stand some vulgarity then watch that video but on a related note watch this video for star wars greatness :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTmIwOLfUlM