Source (http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html)
This ruined my day. Seriously, it's one thing for some high schooler to snap from being outcast by his classmates, but going on a freaking killing spree on kindergardeners? That is just disgusting.
Not to mention, gun laws are going to go crazy; with good reason I add.
Quote from: CNN
Newtown, Connecticut (CNN) -- In one of the deadliest school shootings in U.S. history, a gunman opened fire Friday in a Connecticut elementary school, killing 26 people, 20 of them children, police said.
The suspected gunman, who was not identified by police, also was killed, apparently by his own hand.
One person was wounded.
The mass shootings occurred in one section of Sandy Hook Elementary School and spanned two classrooms, said Lt. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police.
How the school shooting unfolded Student: We heard lots of bangs 3rd grader describes shooting from class.
Among the dead were the school's principal and psychologist, according to a parent who was at the school when the incident happened.
Separately, another adult was found dead at a second location in Newtown, Vance said. A law enforcement source with detailed knowledge of the investigation identified that person as Nancy Lanza, the mother of the suspected shooter, who was found dead at her son's home. She was a teacher at Sandy Hook, sources said.
Police recovered three weapons from the scene: a semi-automatic .223 Bushmaster, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, a source with knowledge of the investigation said. Vance said that the medical examiner will determine the cause of death for the gunman, though he noted that police never discharged their weapons.
What is the world coming too.. There's too many heartless psychos out there.
Heard this at the end of my schoolday over the P.A. Absolutely awful. A friend and I were saying this about the laws for firearms: register a frickin' mental status checkup monthly. That way, all owners of firearms can be for blame to go off on a killing spree if their mentality shows it.
An absolutely sensless act of a maddman or a coward.
I can imagine no reason to attack a kindergarden aged group of people.
If you are disabled due to a mental illnes, you cannot purchase a gun.
Deep restrictions on firearms will ensure that only criminals have them.
I will not discuss this further, just tossing my thoughts in the mix.
This goes way beyond the gun control debate. America is diseased.
Quote from: Joseph on December 14, 2012, 04:07:22 PM
This goes way beyond the gun control debate. America is diseased.
Very well said. I am considering moving to Australia or some place when I graduate college.
Really terrible that someone would do a thing like that.
Sorry about those people.
Lucky for me, I live in country, where the guns unlegal at all. This is old Soviet Union law, for easy control of the people.
Well, actualy criminals do not care about the law, so they shootig innocent people, all the time, at least in my city...
Does any one else find it odd that there have been so many mass shootings in the last 4 months? The other day I watched the show Curiosity on the Discovery Channel "Killer Inside Us". Where they attempted to brainwash someone to kill.....Freaky stuff
Here is a link
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-shows/curiosity/topics/brainwashed-to-assassinate.htm
unhuman.
This kind of thing is appaling. No wonder the myans thought the world was going to end. I bet this didnt happen in rome/greece/[insert ancient civilization here].
Who could even do such a thing?
As someone who has lost a close friend in the Virginia Tech massacre...
this hurts just to even hear. a lot. The news was spread around my school by noon and it just shook everyone. It's hard to think about a safe and relatively small neighborhood community be at risk for something as horrifying as this.
My prayers go to the families affected by the shooting. It's hard to lose a loved one, especially at this early of an age.
I'm sorry for your loss AG.
The thing is, you only hear about the bad/crazy people not the good people in the world.
Even if they made all guns illegal, people would still get them. It's exactly the same as illegal drugs, just walk onto a high school campus. :rant:
I say we just use propaganda to somehow lure all the idiots of the world into one place and nuke them. :XD: Unfortunately, that would be half of America's population. :P
Problem solved! ;)
Quote from: Ltin on December 14, 2012, 06:47:43 PM
This kind of thing is appaling. No wonder the myans thought the world was going to end. I bet this didnt happen in rome/greece/[insert ancient civilization here].
Who could even do such a thing?
People have always been violent, and horrible atrocities have been committed in the past. There is a new disturbing trend of shootings in America, and I think this is related to mental illness and how we treat these illnesses in our country.
This shooting is absolutely terrible and unprecedented, and it has happened in the one place we thought was safe from killers.
I don't want to focus on the shooter right now, and I don't want to focus on gun control debates, I want everybody to remember how fragile life is and I want everybody to hold on a little tighter to the people you have in your lives, because you never know what can happen. I want people to remember the 20 kids who should have lived many more happy years with their families. I want people to remember the adults that tried their hardest to save the kids, only to die themselves.
My thoughts go out to the families of the victims of today's tragedy, and I hope that they find stability in their lives after this terrible incident.
If anybody is despairing at the loss of basic human decency in our society, remember that for every tragedy like this, ten thousand good deeds go unnoticed every day. There is still a lot of good in people, and people like this shooter are in the vast minority. There may be some systemic problems with gun violence and mental health going on, but in general I can still believe that people are inherently good. Even though it's hard to at times like these.
Quote from: Droideka on December 14, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
People have always been violent, and horrible atrocities have been committed in the past. There is a new disturbing trend of shootings in America, and I think this is related to mental illness and how we treat these illnesses in our country.
This shooting is absolutely terrible and unprecedented, and it has happened in the one place we thought was safe from killers.
I don't want to focus on the shooter right now, and I don't want to focus on gun control debates, I want everybody to remember how fragile life is and I want everybody to hold on a little tighter to the people you have in your lives, because you never know what can happen. I want people to remember the 20 kids who should have lived many more happy years with their families. I want people to remember the adults that tried their hardest to save the kids, only to die themselves.
My thoughts go out to the families of the victims of today's tragedy, and I hope that they find stability in their lives after this terrible incident.
If anybody is despairing at the loss of basic human decency in our society, remember that for every tragedy like this, ten thousand good deeds go unnoticed every day. There is still a lot of good in people, and people like this shooter are in the vast minority. There may be some systemic problems with gun violence and mental health going on, but in general I can still believe that people are inherently good. Even though it's hard to at times like these.
:'( :'( :'( nuff said :bye:
Quote from: Droideka on December 14, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
People have always been violent, and horrible atrocities have been committed in the past. There is a new disturbing trend of shootings in America, and I think this is related to mental illness and how we treat these illnesses in our country.
Here in California, getting treatment for mental illness usually means getting prozac and a "license" for marijuana. People are supposed to be depressed. It's a natural thing in life. If you keep doping people up with anti-depressant they're going to snap. Let them sag for a month, but be a good friend and be there for them. Don't let them jack needles into their veins and whatever and don't let their depression go deep enough for them to go on a killing spree.
I really do hope that school does not become like the TSA.
As for the Romans, I'm pretty sure they killed, pilfered, and raped entire villages. At least under some of the Emperors. They were bad (well Nero was terrible), but they never massacred innocent children alone.
As an Australian, I just dont understand how Americans dont bring in stronger gun control laws. In this country, we had a massacre some years back, and very strong gun laws were introduced immediatley, and whilst we hear about a gun incident every now and again(usually involving a bikie war, or other illegal activity), major incidents are almost non exsistent. I get that mentally unbalanced people are to blame for these massacres, but allowing virtually anyone to purchase a gun because 'its their constitutional right' is just as mentally unbalanced in my view.
This is a terrible thing to see, unfortunately it happens all over the world, whether it's guns, knives or just running people over. My sympathies to everyone and also those involved in the mass stabbing in China yesterday.
Avoid the politics please. :tu:. (RC was being that guy)
Don't watch the news today. Instead, go out and commit a random act of kindness. It is all we can do to counter this atrocity.
Quote from: Allanon on December 15, 2012, 12:57:05 AM
As an Australian, I just dont understand how Americans dont bring in stronger gun control laws. In this country, we had a massacre some years back, and very strong gun laws were introduced immediatley, and whilst we hear about a gun incident every now and again(usually involving a bikie war, or other illegal activity), major incidents are almost non exsistent. I get that mentally unbalanced people are to blame for these massacres, but allowing virtually anyone to purchase a gun because 'its their constitutional right' is just as mentally unbalanced in my view.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205052304AAzIs3g
Quote from: Droideka on December 14, 2012, 09:30:06 PM
If anybody is despairing at the loss of basic human decency in our society, remember that for every tragedy like this, ten thousand good deeds go unnoticed every day. There is still a lot of good in people, and people like this shooter are in the vast minority. There may be some systemic problems with gun violence and mental health going on, but in general I can still believe that people are inherently good. Even though it's hard to at times like these.
true, very true. I saw a story on some website recently of random pictures of some of the best deeds iv ever seen done
Quote from: vansting on December 15, 2012, 01:25:25 PM
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080205052304AAzIs3g
Right, the facts simply deny any correlation between violent crime and gun ownership. But when have the facts stopped anyone?
Like I said, our country is morally and spiritually a trainwreck. That's the problem, but no one will talk about it.
This is indeed a tragedy, I detest the media mob for trying to spread the blame around.
Quote from: UNIT 33 on December 15, 2012, 02:04:59 PM
This is indeed a tragedy, I detest the media mob for trying to spread the blame around.
My anger at the bile spewed from that principal opponent of human rationality (the media) is almost, but not quite, comparable to my anger at the lunatic himself.
Sometimes I wonder if America is literally too big to solve certain problems effectively anymore.
Guns are the easiest thing for the media to blame it on. As a rather avid gun person and an NRA member I have heard thousands of stories that go the other way in this matter. Such as innocent people using guns to protect themselves from acts of crime on them and their property. A machine is only as dangerous as its user, how to get them out of the "dangerous users" hands is a rather large scale task. But taking them from everyone will only result in more deaths because criminals will still obtain fire arms because of the evil, putrid, sickness of peoples minds, in America especially.
guns=can kill
cars=can kill
Now we won't go and outlaw cars will we?!
When you consider the gun control debate, keep in mind that when the founding fathers created the 2nd amendment, the arms they wanted the right to bear were likely hunting rifles and muskets and old things like that, not machine guns and semi-automatic rifles. You don't need an AK-47 to hunt rabbits.
The fact of the matter is, 20 kids and 6 adults died because a man with severe issues somehow had access to multiple firearms. Keep that in mind when you take a side on the issue.
Quote from: Kit Fisto on December 15, 2012, 07:58:19 PM
guns=can kill
cars=can kill
Now we won't go and outlaw cars will we?!
Very wise words.
I may also add:
girls=can kill
Seriosly, automatic weapons or not, is dosn't matter. If the owner is normal person, everything be ok, if psycho - get ready for trouble... So, it's maybe have sense, to make people, do some psychological tests, before give them license for gun ownership.
Quote from: Sereja on December 16, 2012, 12:20:12 AM
Very wise words.
I may also add:
girls=can kill
Seriosly, automatic weapons or not, is dosn't matter. If the owner is normal person, everything be ok, if psycho - get ready for trouble... So, it's maybe have sense, to make people, do some psychological tests, before give them license for gun ownership.
The thing is though, automatic weapons have no other purpose than killing a lot of people. There's no reason why a semi-automatic handgun, and an automatic rifle should be available for purchase by a normal citizen.
This is the product of the USA's carelessness and glorification of arms and their military... Victory does not need to come through arms. This heinous act is repugnant and heart quenching; just goes to show that life is short.
Quote from: Droideka on December 16, 2012, 11:21:30 AM
The thing is though, automatic weapons have no other purpose than killing a lot of people. There's no reason why a semi-automatic handgun, and an automatic rifle should be available for purchase by a normal citizen.
Correct. While a car is equally capable of killing it is not designed to do so, in-fact the manufacturers go through extensive testing to reduce the amount of damage a car can do to the occupant etc.
Guns on the other hand have one purpose.
You know... most things can kill, plastic bags, forks, bowling balls. So yes that argument is invalid whoever started it.
Quote from: UNIT 33 on December 16, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
You know... most things can kill, plastic bags, forks, bowling balls. So yes that argument is invalid whoever started it.
I think the argument is more that if someone wants to kill they will find a way to do it. Guns are used to kill people but, like most things do have other uses (hunting, pest control, target ranges etc).
Quote from: {PLA}gdh92 on December 16, 2012, 12:15:24 PM
I think the argument is more that if someone wants to kill they will find a way to do it. Guns are used to kill people but, like most things do have other uses (hunting, pest control, target ranges etc).
Yeah that's the one. If it hadn't been a gun it could have easily been a knife, a bomb, gas or something like that.
Quote from: jdee-barc on December 15, 2012, 08:29:04 PM
When you consider the gun control debate, keep in mind that when the founding fathers created the 2nd amendment, the arms they wanted the right to bear were likely hunting rifles and muskets and old things like that, not machine guns and semi-automatic rifles. You don't need an AK-47 to hunt rabbits.
The fact of the matter is, 20 kids and 6 adults died because a man with severe issues somehow had access to multiple firearms. Keep that in mind when you take a side on the issue.
He stole them because he wasn't allowed them, but any way that's like saying they didn't have radio and TV when they invented the first ammendment.
Quote from: UNIT 33 on December 16, 2012, 11:41:08 AM
Correct. While a car is equally capable of killing it is not designed to do so, in-fact the manufacturers go through extensive testing to reduce the amount of damage a car can do to the occupant etc.
Guns on the other hand have one purpose.
You know... most things can kill, plastic bags, forks, bowling balls. So yes that argument is invalid whoever started it.
Guns are made for self defense and are used 60 times more often for that than for murder.
Guns dont kill people, its the person behind the gun (a person :o) that kills another person.
Quote from: Allanon on December 15, 2012, 12:57:05 AM
As an Australian, I just dont understand how Americans dont bring in stronger gun control laws. In this country, we had a massacre some years back, and very strong gun laws were introduced immediatley, and whilst we hear about a gun incident every now and again(usually involving a bikie war, or other illegal activity), major incidents are almost non exsistent. I get that mentally unbalanced people are to blame for these massacres, but allowing virtually anyone to purchase a gun because 'its their constitutional right' is just as mentally unbalanced in my view.
Don't want to spam this topic with political arguments, but just want to say that in California it's very difficult to get a gun, but in Texas it's very easy, but California has a higher murder rate.
The hilarity of misunderstandings regarding the Second Amendment are eclipsed only by the gravity of this tragic event.
ETA: Several misunderstandings ITT.
Perhaps this ought to put things into perspective:
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Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on December 16, 2012, 01:18:35 PM
Perhaps this ought to put things into perspective:
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I like how the omitted all countries with higher death rates than the U.S., by the way in Switzerland you're required to have a full auto machine gun in your home and they have one of the lowest death rates in Europe.
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This is not a soap box. Please refrain from political arguments.
He started it.
Correction: I just showed an image, and Penguin argued about it. Therefore, HE started it.
Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on December 16, 2012, 01:48:53 PM
Correction: I just showed an image, and Penguin argued about it. Therefore, HE started it.
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Oh.. in that case
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Quote from: BlackScorpion on December 16, 2012, 01:53:18 PM
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You are correct! :P
I think this thread has run it's course.