God I hate the whole concept of DLCs. Sure it can be done right, but mostly it's just a disgusting business model that exploits people. I don't understand how people can be so non-critical of how they spend their money and what the consequences thereof are. Why would you ever buy a season pass of DLCs when you don't even know the actual content thereof? It doesn't make sense. First day DLCs? Utterly retarded. Fragmented releases with different DLC content included? Utterly retarded.

Give us real expansions instead and don't be a DLC whore.

To be fair, I wasn't saying that about your whole person, but rather the statement of yours that you made. So don't judge me to be that shallow a person, too.

I draw the line here, too, and I wont reply to any more posts about this discussion in this thread.

That's just plain wrong. Nobody created themselves out of nothing. You think anybody had an original idea that wasn't influenced by external factors? Society isn't part of you? Such selfish thinking. Did George Lucas create himself? Is he God? Who created God then?

Also, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be ANY copyright, but certainly not like how it is today.

If copyright last too long then I dare say that it puts more people out of a job then it creates jobs for them. How long does copyright last in the USA. 95 years! (if I'm not wrong) That's a staggering number. And who's to say it cannot be extended or laws rewritten?

Edit: Also, you quoted me after my last edit. Not that it matters, but I didn't want to stir up the discussion more. That's why I edited that wiki stuff out.

Quote from: aeria. on November 26, 2013, 05:59:08 PM
You're completely missing the point I'm trying to tell you.

I'm trying to tell you that DX11.2 is the reason why DICE recommends Windows 8. I'm also telling you why Microsoft would make DX11.2 exclusive to Windows 8.

I'm not expressing my opinions on commercial vs open source software. To be frank, you're assuming that I'm saying we should all buy Windows 8 and support big businesses like Microsoft. Go re-read why I posted earlier. I NEVER said any of that. I am expressing ZERO opinions. In fact I'll make it clear: I prefer Windows 7 over Windows 8. Most of the software I use aside from the OS is open source. I even use OpenOffice for the word processing.

Back to my point: You're being a conspiracy theorist for thinking that Microsoft paid DICE. There's no factual evidence behind it and little pointers to inferring it either.

Well, we'll never know the truth, but such marketing is standard practice, though. If I misread you then I apologize, but you can't blame me for reading between the lines. It is only text, not spoken words which can convey a deeper understanding. I poke and you defend yourself. Now we know better.

Quote from: SleepKiller on November 26, 2013, 06:05:53 PM
You say what if anyone could make a Battlefield game. How do you think SWBF came about? A guy at Pandemic had the idea that Battlefield + SW would equal awesome thus they pitched the idea to LucasArts who thought it was grand. They then made the game while putting there own spin on it. And ta-da SWBF.

Game mechanics can't be copyrighted. Stories, worlds, lore, characters, etc can. There is nothing stopping someone from making a Battlefield esque game. So long as they don't call it Battlefield and don't take content from Battlefield.

Well, I wasn't talking only about mechanics, but also about stories, worlds, lore, characters, etc. Copyright lasts too long and it is just extended when close to running out. That is what I call legalized theft of society.

Yeah, I'm the dragging topic off the course. Enough said form my side if I can prevent it on the matter.

Edit: Didn't mean to type a curse word out, bucker. That was uncivilized of me. I rather have typed 'insert bad word here' as I normally would do. I slipped.

What you might not learn in college, but rather experience for yourself, is how soulless and cynical business actually is. I know we're taught how business is 'good' and 'wonderful' and 'be a good consumer' but in reality business degrades society as much as it provides it with nourishment. I have no love for big businesses. Microsoft, EA, whatever. I rather see smaller, personal businesses and just more of them. And open source. And less copyright.

Imagine if anybody could make a battlefield game? A radical thought. But when ideas are not owned indefinitely, which is practically the case, and controlled obsessively, then great things ensures. We should fight such stagnation.

Public domain is a dying, but wonderful concept. We can thank big businesses and ourselves (we buy) for changing the laws and extending copyright.

What big businesses wants the most of all is for you to think as them. I refuse.

Instead of Microsoft using cheap tricks to make people buy their new products, maybe they should just make a superior product instead? But then they make a  interface that's forced on you, no choice. We don't want you to have a choice, says Microsoft !

edit by buckler:  we have a strict no cursing policy here, as we appeal to gamers across a broad age range

Your example with comparing windows 95 to windows 7 is, well, very weak. Is there even any logic in it? Not a very good argument, I'm afraid.

If you don't think it's likely that EA was paid to recommend Windows 8 - but not also Windows 7 - and even making some small 'valid' -excuse- to use DX 11.2 in some insignificant way then you don't know how fake and cheap the gaming industry is.

But be a happy consumer. Ignorance is bliss.

I agree with you that Microsoft do not care much about PC gaming. They're a big soulless company, as you say in other words. They have more interest in their console for gaming, and they don't want to compete with themselves. But they're fools, the PC will live on and hopefully it'll leave Microsoft behind in the dust someday together with stagnation. Why should we depend on such as Microsoft? Why feed the wolf that steals your cattle? Microsoft = monopoly, stagnation.

Windows 8 might be better under the hood, as you say, but is it enough to warrant buying a new OS to play BF4? That's insane.

BTW: Halo 3 exclusively to Windows 8? Such cheap tactics by M$. But we'll see if just a rumor. They did it with Halo 2 for Vista, remember.

Thanks, Buckler.

It was very hard finding info on the '1.3 beta patch' and other info I needed.

I was then simply lucky enough to google swbfgamers searching for swbf communities. I know from experience, from other older games communities, that there always seems to be a small - but strong - pillar of people keeping these older games alive and support them after all these years.

No reason why Windows 7 shouldn't be able to do DX 11.2 ! It's a greedy act by Microsoft only designed to get people to buy Windows 8. And it works so well, doesn't it?

DirectX is stagnation, anyhow. Let's hope for an open source alternative to anything Microsoft that can become the new standard. Steam OS is a good step in the right direction.

And if you think that Windows 8's going to achieve a noticeable higher frame rate than Windows 7 then 'haha' is all I can say.

I like how they recommend Windows 8. I wonder what they were paid to do that. It says something about EA.

Quote from: {Alpha}Gold Man on October 28, 2013, 04:37:30 AM
Hoping to get a better and more powerful computer (still debating over laptop/desktop), to play the new Battlefront. This laptop I have is a pile of junk really, though it seems to amaze me at the games it can play, and the games it can't play. Either way, I hope to have a powerful computer at least a few weeks before the game release (thinking about pre-ordering it too ).

Why no console some might say? Because of these two reasons:

1. I don't got a whole lot of money to blow monthly (meaning I wouldn't be able to pay for Xbox Live)
2. I don't got a screen to myself besides my computer/iDevices/cell phone (Would hog the TV WAY too much)

Before thinking about pre-ordering any games, watch this:



Video by TotalBiscuit. It is quite long, though, 20 min.

Okay, that's interresting, -RepublicCommando-, Phobos.

Phobos, it's a client command.

/audiosamplerate [Rate]

The KHz shouldn't be in there, but I don't know about the brackets '[]'. I assume 'should not be there'.

http://www.tweakguides.com/SWB_7.html

I compared two images and the fov doesn't change in 16/9. E.g. you cannot see more of the map with either 16/10 or 16/9, but it fills the screen out. I do like proper aspect ratio, but you might not notice the incorrect fov.

Phobos, I never play without anisotropic myself, actually. It's way too blurry without. Anti-aliasing I can live without, but only if I cannot spare the performance. I even tweak LOD sometimes.

BTW, my tip is to limit your FPS to either 60 or 120 through your drivers (if nvidia) or through software with ATI. The point is, your PC consumes more energy rendering 200+ FPS than 60-120. In the menus the FPS goes way beyond 1000+. 120 FPS is the enthusiast's perfect standard, but 60 is good, too.

On graphics talk, is it possible to increase the view distance more than it allows in-game? It's quite funny to see people running in the empty air on some maps. I don't mind it much, though. It's fine and dandy.

On server performance, I installed the 3 CD version instead of my copy which is part of the Star Wars Collection release and updated it to 1.2. The server I reinstalled with the one I found on this site's downloads section.

Anyhow, running the dedicated server on the same machine (which also joins it) works perfectly at least. I still need to try with an external client, but think (hope) it's working now.

Is '/throttle 3072' good if only LAN connections?

Is '/audiosamplerate 44100' the proper command (without KHz)?

Anyhow, glad I found this site. It was getting frustrating getting nowhere.

Yeah, I just tried it. Does the fov change, too? I couldn't tell. But it does look great in widescreen.