No clan or clan not joining? Anyone can participate in ICW4 games by joining YAK here (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7928.0)
Administration
Lead Admins:
Dark Phantom (xfire: phantom567459)
Oven/Joseph (joseph9371)
Admins:
Kelle (kellemarcruiser)
PatriotNorwood (norwood96)
Syrion (nykwoonjinn)
General format
Once clans are finalized, a tournament map will be published. It will look something like this (http://i.imgur.com/AAl4Czh.jpg). Each clan will start off with 3 randomly assigned planets. After Week 1, planet ownership is based on battle outcomes from the previous week.
There will be 6 weeks. The winner is the clan with the most planets at the end of Week 6. The nature of a tiebreaker will be determined if needed.
Match rules
Defenders can be outnumbered by at most 2 in a match. The clan:merc ratio can be at most 2:1. Rounding favors mercs. So 6:3 and 7:4 are both acceptable.
Matches must start within 10 minutes of the announced start time. If a clan is responsible for a delay greater than 10 minutes, they forfeit the match.
A player may spectate a battle, but only if one of the participating clans agrees to it (and if it wouldn't cause lag due to the amount of players in the server). They will wear a [Spec] tag, and hide out of the way during the battle, using freecam to watch.
Killing admins or spectators is prohibited.
The following generic rules apply:
A. SPECIAL UNIT RULES TBA. Will be either no specials, or fairside specials, possibly depending on map.
B. Vehicles are permitted when available.
C. Capturing CPs is permitted in all situations.
D. Pre-mines are not permitted in any situation, and laying pre-mines amounts to a penalty (admin discretion).
E. Spawn mines are permitted.
F. Teamkill is always off.
G. All servers shall be /noaim.
H. Be polite in yellow chat -- no swearing or insulting.
I. No false starts. (This means: stay very close to green CPs until the countdown ends. Yes, we all have freecam.)
J. Only an admin may countdown a battle.
K. No impersonating other clan members.
L. All players must wear tags ingame. (including Mercenaries)
M. No playing for or spying on the opposing clan's side. Join your clan's side ASAP upon entering the server.
N. Radar Policy: don't ask, don't tell.
Violation of these rules will result in an official warning by an in-game admin; penalties will ensue at the admin's discretion.
Calling out another clan for starting early, or having too many members, is completely fine, but all other matters should be left in the admin's hands.
Admins will record the results of a game using one or more of the following methods: freecam, video, xfire screenshots. An Admin will post the screenshot of the final screen on the forums soon after a battle is finished.
At all times Admins have the right to ask everyone except designated players in the server to stop yellow-chatting.
Clan lists and mercenaries
Each clan is required to maintain a clan list throughout the tournament. Lists can be added to at any time, but never subtracted from (unless no battles have taken place since the change). The lists will be public; submit any changes to me and/or Phantom. The members of the list don't have to "be in" your clan officially, but they cannot appear on any other clan list at any time in the tournament.
So to clarify, if your clan has a friend who wants to play exclusively for you, they should probably be put on the clan list. Players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list.
Ingame, players must use a name identical to the one on the list. Mercenaries must wear a tag similar to: (Clan)(Merc)Name.
Namefaking is absolutely prohibited and, if confirmed, results in forfeit. Admins will check IPs in situations of doubt.
Attacks
Each week I'll make a thread on Sunday or Monday where clans will make post attacks, negotiate times, post screenshots, etc. Battles should by default be scheduled for Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. However, if both clans agree, and an admin can commit to coming, then it's OK to schedule earlier in the week. Attacks absolutely must be posted by Wednesday at midnight EST.
Of course, clans may only attack planets which are connected by a line (in the tournament map) to a planet they currently control.
Format your attacks thusly:
Attacking clan:
Defending clan:
Date:
Time (EST):
Attacker era/side:
Server location:
In the beginning, each clan may make 2 attacks per week. Because the tournament will have a shorter week-wise duration than previously, we may raise the limit to 3 if the first week(s) go well, if the community consents, and if we have enough admin support.
If a clan forfeits, their planets become native held, and attackers will face a team of "native". Anyone may show up as a native. However in this case the natives may be outnumbered by attackers. But there is a limit of 2 members per clan on the native side.
Clans can make planet announcemenets i.e. "call dibs" before officially listing times, as before.
American games will be hosted by SWBFGamers. We haven't decided on a Euro host yet.
What to do now
To join the ICW4, clans must post in this thread by Thursday, July 2 at midnight EST.
This is a rough draft; please post questions and concerns.
[FC] will participate along with {U.E.F} as one faction.
We request that fairside specials be enabled for ~half the maps. Jets vs Jets, and Wookiee vs Wookiee (no droidekas).
Phobos - Primary [FC] Representative
SirPimped - Secondary [FC] Representative
Anyder - Primary {U.E.F} Representative
Member List:
Fordo
Rage / -={InViS}=- Anubis / Krypto / Cephei
Wolf
Kishan / -={InViS}=- Frost
SirPimped / -={InViS}=- Mystic
Mayweather / -={InViS}=- Asmohor
ThePusher / -={InViS}=- Zeus
Elite / -={InViS}=- Cronus
Nacho
Fate
Death
Phil
Viathan
Disciple
Iiscr3mo
Salomon
Helios
Zach
Darman
Finchy
Yoshi
Otoja
Bomber
{U.E.F}Anyder -={InViS}=-: these are all uef members that might be able to play
ACE
Gamergirl
Habi
Anyder / -={InViS}=- Hades
SEAL
Mara Jade
Vup
Schwerdy
Klaosito
Arct1c
Smex
nYZ
Chilli
Sorry Oven, but I doubt 212 will be participating. I'm not fully sure, though.
engelskrieger, the only one looking for "drama" here is you. If you're not playing in the tourney, why post in these threads?
Phobos, fairsides on some, half, or even all the maps is fine by me, though I suspect many will want some maps to have no specials. I'll get PFA and BOB's opinion.
The BOBclan will be participating in the ICW4.
Clan members (members may be updated as the days go along):
Phantom
Sauce
LION
Bobby
Alan
Klexmer
Dynasty
Astro
Norwood
Battlefield
FER
Cal-Hawk/Red Robin Hood
6lbBream
Ice
Thinker
UltraXPowerGuy (BOB.merc.~Itachi~)
HGHG
Kelle
Ben83
If anyone is interested in joining BOB for this tournament, please message me. Thanks!
The YAK recruitment thread is up, for those interested.
YAK Recruitment Thread (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7928)
Would it be a problem if I kept the member's list updated on that first post, or should I post it here as well?
Quote from: Oven on June 25, 2014, 11:21:49 AM
When my information changes, I alter my conclusions.
Further posts of this nature will be deleted, and I'm deleting the off-topic posts in here after a day.
Which brings me to my involvement--I plan to put this board on my "Ignore" list for the website for the duration of the tournament.
Dark Phantom has server access to the PLA/SWBFgamers servers, and I will ask that he take over the hosting set up unless there are any special issues.
I expect Oven to keep the tournament posts civil and in-line with the website rules.
Good luck to all involved, and remember to have fun ;)
btw, feel free to use the teamspeak server if you want. If any group needs a password protected channel, just ask.
To clan leaders: if your clan is not participating, please advertise YAK to your members!
Quote from: Shazam on June 25, 2014, 06:05:37 PM
The YAK recruitment thread is up, for those interested.
YAK Recruitment Thread (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7928)
Would it be a problem if I kept the member's list updated on that first post, or should I post it here as well?
Thanks! I don't care where you keep it; once the tourney starts I'll consolidate all the lists in the OP of this or another thread anyway.
We have to select (at least) 12 maps. Suggestions?
I like:
CC
Cit
Mos
Jabba
Kamino
Dantooine
Platforms
Streets
Some from last time should probably be ruled out, like Russia and Eddie's Kastel. It would be cool to include some new maps that haven't been done in previous ICWs, but they need to really be good for competition and not just aesthetically pleasing.
Maybe something like Eddie's Death Star, that seems like a good map for ICW
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on June 28, 2014, 02:06:26 PM
Maybe something like Eddie's Death Star, that seems like a good map for ICW
Is that the swbf2 map? If not, can you give me a link?
I propose Degobah swamps as being a map. Probably the most fun to myself personally for a match and I don't remember anyone having a problem with it.
Just... Don't... Do... Russia..... :'(
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on June 28, 2014, 02:06:26 PM
Maybe something like Eddie's Death Star, that seems like a good map for ICW
We could use Sereja's Death Star conversion.
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6057
I've always found Death Star: Interior fun, but I've never played it online.
When a Death Star Convo is a good idea, I meant his trench run map which is named Eddie's Death Star
I think I remember playing that map cod, and I didnt like it very well. Not to mention the installer didnt work. It may be a good multiplayer map, but I dont really like it.
Edit: so Oven, say I. Spectating on Kamino, what couts as 'out of the way'
Would on top of the main building count? Under the bridges?
more plane maps.
Anyder suggested this map to me, I tried on SP and it seemed good for close-quarters battles, though extrapolating to MP isn't always straightforward.
http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=1022
I like Dagobah, and don't worry, Russia's out.
Other ideas:
Tranquaan
Earth Egypt
Arena
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on June 28, 2014, 07:51:37 PM
When a Death Star Convo is a good idea, I meant his trench run map which is named Eddie's Death Star
Can you post a link?
Quote from: hellish hellbird on June 28, 2014, 08:43:46 PM
more plane maps.
I'm up for platforms.
Quote from: Ltin on June 28, 2014, 08:00:30 PM
Edit: so Oven, say I. Spectating on Kamino, what couts as 'out of the way'
Would on top of the main building count? Under the bridges?
Something to figure out ingame.
Maps I would choose:
CC
Mos
Citadel
Mustafar
Dantooine
Jabba
Streets
Platforms (I hate the spawn kills there but I know some people like it :) )
Dagobah
Eddies Italia
Yavin Arena
Overall I would avoid tanks/vehicles because I don't think they work without full a server and turn a small advantage a team has into a huge one. I'm trying to think of new maps now but it's hard to come up with ones that work well online.
With the sides I would choose to have no specials, although I don't mind them on maps with a roof like Jabba. :)
I think with most maps if we have cps and the possibility of radar the jet trooper will be overpowered and almost guarantee a win for whoever has it. Fairsides could be a compromise but it makes the game very confusing for some (especially when spawning) and takes out some of the variety of units which is half the fun of battles.
Quote from: Oven on June 24, 2014, 09:12:05 PM
Defenders can be outnumbered by at most 2 in a match. The clan:merc ratio can be at most 2:1. Rounding favors mercs. So 6:3 and 7:4 are both acceptable.
Just to confirm. Does this meant that attackers can't be outnumbered?
I would suggest Nar Shaddaa: The Roof. It is very similar to Coruscant Streets, aesthetically pleasing and balanced.
Here is a video of the map http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=6618
I second Coruscant Streets, Dagobah Swamps, Dantooine Dust, and Death Star Interior.
Quote from: Phobos on June 29, 2014, 07:37:14 AM
I would suggest Nar Shaddaa: The Roof. It is very similar to Coruscant Streets, aesthetically pleasing and balanced.
Agreed, I forgot about that map. It's well made and should make some interesting battles with the way it's laid out. And it does look great :)
Gdh, attackers may be outnumbered arbitrarily.
Here's the link to Eddie's Death Star, http://starwarsbattlefront.filefront.com/file/Eddies_Death_Star;36550
The following 12 maps will definitely be included in the ICW4. Depending on which additional clans enter (they have until July 2), more will be added. The total map number will be 3x(number of clans).
Bespin: Cloud City [Jets Fairside]
Coruscant: Streets [Jets Fairside]
Dagobah: Swamps
Dantooine: Dust [Jets Fairside]
Death Star: Interior
Eddie's Italia
Kamino: Tipoca City
Mustafar: Refinery
Nar Shaddaa: The Roof
Rhen Var: Citadel [Jets Fairside]
Tatooine: Jabba's Palace
Tatooine: Mos Eisley [Jets Fairside]
Other maps which are likely to be included if more clans enter are:
TBD
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on June 29, 2014, 10:40:00 AM
Here's the link to Eddie's Death Star, http://starwarsbattlefront.filefront.com/file/Eddies_Death_Star;36550
I tried this today and have mixed feelings. The lack of any ground cover means that spawnkills would be even worse than platforms, but the size and large number of planes makes it better than platforms if we want purely air battles.
Quote from: Oven on June 29, 2014, 02:49:27 PM
Other maps which are likely to be included if more clans enter are:
Eddie's Italia
Additional maps you could include if another clan joins I'd suggest:
- Jai Nollan
- Behind Enemy Lines (or Polis Massa, or Tantive IV)
- Mygeeto War Torn City
BW accept ally with Enten' to participate on ICW4
bw players :
Nexon
Nilmar
Skyfox
Syrion
Koke ( to be confirmed )
Piccolo ( to be confirmed )
Have fun !
As far as I know Enten hasn't officially decided to enter yet, but noted.
If 5 clans:
Platforms
Egypt
Arena (vehicles removed)
If 6 clans:
Dune Sea
Mygeeto
Polis Massa
Look good?
I like the map choices, one question: is there going to be a map pack download? I would hate to have the wrong map version etc.
Quote from: PatriotNorwood on July 01, 2014, 06:10:16 PM
I like the map choices, one question: is there going to be a map pack download? I would hate to have the wrong map version etc.
Definitely, the map pack should be available by this weekend.
This is a post on behalf of the clan {GRC} Our memeber list is currently as follows but will be updated often
{GRC}Gnl.38
{GRC}Gnl.Duderules66
{GRC}Rodriguez
{GRC}Brg.Appo
{GRC}Brg.Evolutions
{GRC}Mjr.Caboose
{GRC}FdM.Cal440
{GRC}FdM.Sam
{GRC}Lnt.Killer
{GRC}Lnt.Emo
PFA is joining.
Nexon, Enten hasn't met the deadline to join, so BW might want to ally with GRC. Alpha is also considering allying with GRC.
So the ICW4 clan list is as follows:
BOB
FC/UEF
GRC (+ allies TBD)
PFA
YAK
I am going to be traveling with little-to-no internet starting tomorrow and ending Sunday the 13th. While I'm gone, Dark Phantom is in charge.
He will be uploading the ICW4 map pack within a few days.
Unit 33 will work on an official tourney map, but my schematic showing starting positions is here: http://i.imgur.com/Bf7ZCc2.jpg
Additional admins are:
Phantom Bunny (xfire: happytoadfrog)
PatriotNorwood (norwood96)
We need more admins, ideally unaffiliated players.
Quote from: Oven on July 03, 2014, 07:41:18 PM
PFA is joining.
Nexon, Enten hasn't met the deadline to join, so BW might want to ally with GRC. Alpha is also considering allying with GRC.
So the ICW4 clan list is as follows:
BOB
FC/UEF
GRC (+ allies TBD)
PFA
YAK
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't members of En'ten be considered members of BW for the ICW4?
Also:
"So to clarify, if your clan has a friend who wants to play exclusively for you, they should probably be put on the clan list. Players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list."
1: Do you intend the "players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list" and who aren't in that clan to play as mercs?
2: For clarification, if you are on a clan list, you cannot be a merc for another clan? If the answer is no, there seems to be a penalty for those clan friends.
Quote from: BlackScorpion on July 03, 2014, 08:26:30 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but can't members of En'ten be considered members of BW for the ICW4?
Yes but I'd really need to know that now. I don't think BW can play alone. Nexon posted under the mistaken impression that Enten had definitely joined. But Enten was not optimistic about joining when I last talked to them.
Quote
"So to clarify, if your clan has a friend who wants to play exclusively for you, they should probably be put on the clan list. Players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list."
1: Do you intend the "players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list" and who aren't in that clan to play as mercs?
2: For clarification, if you are on a clan list, you cannot be a merc for another clan? If the answer is no, there seems to be a penalty for those clan friends.
1. Cannot parse.
2. No, you can. Anyone can be a merc.
Quote from: Oven on July 03, 2014, 08:33:25 PM
Yes but I'd really need to know that now. I don't think BW can play alone. And Enten was not optimistic about joining when I last talked to them.
1. Cannot parse.
2. No, you can. Anyone can be a merc.
X is a "players who don't want to commit to playing for a specific clan should not be on a list" and is not officially in that clan (because there's nothing saying you can't be officially in that clan but not on that clan's list). X should be a merc, correct?
Correct
Give me a day or two to sort out this map pack and make mission files for them. After I send it out we will test them just to make sure everything works correctly.
When is the ICW4 suppose to start officially, and when is the first match? Also Phantom how is your map pack coming along?
I'm pretty sure Oven said Week 1 will start July 13th (this upcoming Monday)
That is what I thought, but I could not find it, also the 13th is a Sunday.
Do we have a schedule?
Quote from: {TCE}Call-of-Duty on July 10, 2014, 02:16:31 PM
Do we have a schedule?
The clans schedule their own battles according to when their members will be online.
I'll have open discussion in the YAK Board to decide when/where we want to attack each week.
Quote from: PatriotNorwood on July 10, 2014, 02:10:15 PM
That is what I thought, but I could not find it, also the 13th is a Sunday.
My mistake. In the past we have been able to schedule battles on Sunday and start the next week on Monday, so that's why I assumed the 13th was Monday.
Oven mentioned July 13th in the other ICW4 thread:
Quote from: Oven on June 23, 2014, 06:13:26 PM
Week 1 begins July 13th, with the first battles on July 18th. I anticipate 6 weeks.
Okay according to this: http://swbobclan.webs.com/apps/guestbook/ Phantom has completed the map pack, but will not be able to post it until this afternoon.
I just finished the map, so that's an indication that stuff's going to happen.
Due to Firewall, I could not post the link here earlier, and I wanted to be the one to say...
Here is your map pack folks!
http://www.mediafire.com/download/raiq686a26ce6x1/ICW4_map_pack.7z
Albeit a week late, but still here!
Please download this and replace your current levels with this. If Jabba is not in there, just use a mission.lvl from another one (they contain every level) because it is slightly different.
Please test these and report bugs to me ASAP!
For the mod maps, fairsides for clones has to definitely be in there, because I loaded a different file for them (no SBD, regular Battle Droid). Clone fairsides is just droideka and jet removed and SBD is a regular battle droid. If there is too much negativity towards it, I will switch back the SBD, but I personally think it evens it out.
Fairsides is different for GCW maps according to a list I saw and made judgment calls although it will be easy to remunge if I have to. Some of them might work just as server side, so you may not have to redownload.
For stock maps, it will all be server sided to fairsides or whatever the rules are there. I don't quite remember, but I think if both sides agree to certain rules we should play them that way if at all possible. Otherwise, it will just be wookiee or jet fairsides, whichever I pull out of my hat or a list.
If you didn't understand any of that, just download the map pack and get ready for the ICW4! Please get organized with your clans as Week 1 is next week. Please post your attacks promptly. I will set up servers, but that weekend I will be away (I may be able to admin Friday), so admins stay ready.
:cheers:
Unless more people sign up in the next few days, I don't think YAK will be able to compete in the tournament. There are currently only 14 people signed up, and we had 24 in the ICW3. Even with 24 in the ICW3, we found ourselves scrambling for members at times.
As much as I'd like to see YAK in the ICW4, it may be best to have them as mercenaries or to sign on and help other clans.
I'm not so sure that is a problem Shazam, despite the appearances of large numbers I think most clans are really short on players. But I am no expert, having never been part of an ICW before, maybe players will come out of the woodwork.
Well Bob only has 16 players on the list if I counted right, so it's not like it's a huge problem.
Well we ( BW ) haven't been able to get in touch with GCR, so we may be looking for another alliance, we could provide YAK players from Nexon's list.
Quote from: bw.Nexon on July 01, 2014, 10:26:37 AM
bw players :
Nexon
Nilmar
Skyfox
Syrion
Koke ( to be confirmed )
Piccolo ( to be confirmed )
Have fun !
by the way, Shazam, do you know if the xfire page created for YAK last year ( or so ) is still relevant?
I'll see what the other YAK members want to do then. Knowing that other clans are also fairly small, I think we can hold our own. I'm sure most of the YAK members (including myself) would feel more comfortable competing if our list had more people, though. Even with 14 signed up, we're lucky to get the majority of them all online together for a battle.
Quote from: Syyy on July 12, 2014, 05:26:57 AM
Well we ( BW ) haven't been able to get in touch with GCR, so we may be looking for another alliance, we could provide YAK players from Nexon's list.
by the way, Shazam, do you know if the xfire page created for YAK last year ( or so ) is still relevant?
It isn't really necessary to have an alliance, per se. Anyone that isn't on a given clan's member list can be a mercenary for them, given that they follow the 2:1 rule. With that said, I'm sure most of YAK's members would merc for BW if you need help, and we certainly won't turn down any help you offer.I was misunderstood. I didn't see that BW didn't meet the deadline to sign up. You all are more than welcome to play with YAK. :cheers:
BTW, yes, I plan to use the calendar on Xfire to send alerts when battles will be starting soon.
Yes indeed, I said alliance but it would be more about BW joining YAK thank anything. We don't have enough active members to compete, so helping another clan is the best solution.
edit: should I post in the YAK recruitment thread to provide the bw members' xfire willing to participate?
Quote from: Syyy on July 12, 2014, 11:01:41 AM
Yes indeed, I said alliance but it would be more about BW joining YAK thank anything. We don't have enough active members to compete, so helping another clan is the best solution.
edit: should I post in the YAK recruitment thread to provide the bw members' xfire willing to participate?
I've seen a few BW ingame, and I would much rather have them on our side than against us. ;)
Yes, please post their Xfire usernames and time zones in the recruitment thread, if you have them.
Aint it time to post the ICW4 Week 1 Thread ??
I gotta post all attacks in a uef intern news and i need some time to spam it to all members and know who is coming to each battle.
i think these are all the missionlist codes for server hosts
tat2i tat2r kam1c yav2i yav2r bes1a bes1r rhn2a rhn2c bes2a bes2r 010c 010a corus2c corus2a csi8a csi8c dagc daga dust1c dust1a earec earea mus1c mus1a ntrc ntra tat3a tat3c
edit: one of the maps is crashing on /randomize. not sure which one yet.
*it appears it might be death star because it uses 010 as the mapname, and the batch tries to read it as 10 reinforcements for the previous map.
YAK is going to be competing in the ICW4, for sure. Thanks to the members of BW, we should have the numbers to fight against the other clans.
Quote from: Anyder on July 13, 2014, 04:18:42 AM
Aint it time to post the ICW4 Week 1 Thread ??
Oven is on vacation right now, but he said he would get back sometime today.
We really only need the tournament map to get started, but I have no problem waiting for him to get back.