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Gaming for the Original SWBF1 and SWBF2/other games => Star Wars Battlefront 2 (2005 Original) => Topic started by: iamastupid on October 02, 2017, 11:51:24 AM

Title: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: iamastupid on October 02, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
WARNING
Back up your modded game of BF2 before installing the latest GOG update for Steam BF2, I know it readds multiplayer but it breaks a lots of mods (1.3, Dark Times, Conv Pack, Legcay, Skin Changer, Fake Console, Custom Eras and Ultimate Pack)
Some people will just say reinstall the mods but the new multiplayer is completely broken for most players atm, meaning in the future there will be lots more updates which will continue to break them, also validating game files will now have a strong chance of breaking these mods again as well as the new master server apparently has anti-cheat which also attacks mods, or so I've been told. Basically this is a huge blow atm to bf2 modding and I cannot stress how important disc copies and back-ups are right now.

Please be aware.

Personal recommendation: Back up a copy of the Ultimate Pack version since it's the disc version and comes with lots o mods.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: 1ИCΘ6И17Θ on October 02, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
Since most dudes are in a Larvae like state about steam and can't do anything without it, I guess it'll break a lot of the gaming community, and a part of the com itself, clever move from EA...
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Led on October 02, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
Quote from: Incognito on October 02, 2017, 01:41:11 PM
Since most dudes are in a Larvae like state about steam and can't do anything without it, I guess it'll break a lot of the gaming community, and a part of the com itself, clever move from EA...

There is not much SWBF2 community left anyway, so I see this as a good move.  Too bad they can't/won't/didn't put SWBF1 on steam...
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Unit 33 on October 02, 2017, 02:16:41 PM
Quote from: Led on October 02, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
Too bad they can't/won't/didn't put SWBF1 on steam...

Is there a particular reason why they wouldn't?
I think someone here gave a good, solid reason once, but I've forgotten.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Ultimo on October 02, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
I'm betting there would be too much of a dispute over who owns the assets to the original game at this point.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: 1ИCΘ6И17Θ on October 02, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
Quote from: Led on October 02, 2017, 02:09:48 PM
There is not much SWBF2 community left anyway, so I see this as a good move.  Too bad they can't/won't/didn't put SWBF1 on steam...
I would be glad of this if I were you, at least some ground remains for the free community, I take it as tremendous releif personally.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Led on October 02, 2017, 02:21:23 PM
Quote from: Unit 33 on October 02, 2017, 02:16:41 PM
Is there a particular reason why they wouldn't?
I think someone here gave a good, solid reason once, but I've forgotten.

SWBF1 had disk based DRM.   SWBF2 doesn't.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Giftheck on October 02, 2017, 03:36:17 PM
Quote from: Ultimo on October 02, 2017, 02:19:06 PM
I'm betting there would be too much of a dispute over who owns the assets to the original game at this point.

Why would that be the case? LucasFilm owns the assets because they absorbed LucasArts after shutting it down, and LucasArts owned the rights to the entire game outright as they only contracted Pandemic to create Battlefront. In either case, lucasFilm owns the rights, and EA owns whatever is left of Pandemic, so...

I think it's more or less an issue of whether the source code could be salvaged in any way.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Led on October 02, 2017, 03:39:44 PM
Quote from: Gistech on October 02, 2017, 03:36:17 PM
Why would that be the case? LucasFilm owns the assets because they absorbed LucasArts after shutting it down, and LucasArts owned the rights to the entire game outright as they only contracted Pandemic to create Battlefront. In either case, lucasFilm owns the rights, and EA owns whatever is left of Pandemic, so...

I think it's more or less an issue of whether the source code could be salvaged in any way.

Sometimes Ultimo just types things...   ;)
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Ultimo on October 02, 2017, 03:56:52 PM
Do I really present myself as that much of an unreliable person to yall?
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Blur on October 02, 2017, 04:12:02 PM
Thanks for the advice. Damn, can't believe that it breaks unofficial 1.3... guess we have to look at the silly award effects now  :slap:
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: SleepKiller on October 02, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
Quote from: iamastupid on October 02, 2017, 11:51:24 AM
as well as the new master server apparently has anti-cheat which also attacks mods, or so I've been told.
About time as well if it is the case. The amount of ways you can cheat in SWBF/SWBFII with simple mods is insane; it would hardly surprise me if they added measures to lock down the game's original files.

As for breaking mods in all circumstances, they very likely didn't mean (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor) to and it was likely a side-effect of changes they made.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Linux user Awesome on October 02, 2017, 11:27:46 PM
Quote from: Unit 33 on October 02, 2017, 02:16:41 PM
Is there a particular reason why they wouldn't?
I think someone here gave a good, solid reason once, but I've forgotten.

Well I have a reason to say. probally not a very good one but here we go.

I figure if steam were to put SWBF1 on there site for free download alot of people would want to try it and than after they play that it would get them curios about SWBF2 so than they must try that and we would get more swbf1 and 2 players here.... maybe

Okay now that I said what i wanted to you can tell me all the many things wrong with this.

and you now what this is all of topic. sorry I just heard SWBF1 on steam and got carred away  :shrug:
maybe i need a "get SWBF1 on steam" thread.  :P

anyway the point is we need to back up steam SWBF2 so GOG update will not wreck all/most of its mods. correct?

well good day evreyone!
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: StoneCold on October 03, 2017, 01:04:12 AM
Quote from: Led on October 02, 2017, 02:21:23 PM
SWBF1 had disk based DRM.   SWBF2 doesn't.

Seeing that they renamed the game as "Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (Classic, 2005)" , why can't they put up the original one as "Star Wars: Battlefront 1 (Classic, 2004)" then?  ???

Guess, it's time we stir the pot and try and contact Disney. If it's only the DRM of the original keeping them from putting it on Steam / GOG, then they should really get with the times. I'll buy BF1 in a heart beat if they put it on Steam tomorrow as I prefer BF1 over BF2 personally  8)
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Shaking_Sniper on October 03, 2017, 04:47:09 AM
Do you think SWBF 1 will ever become abandonware? They won't put it up on Steam.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Anyder on October 03, 2017, 05:33:45 AM
Quote from: Shaking_Sniper on October 03, 2017, 04:47:09 AM
Do you think SWBF 1 will ever become abandonware? They won't put it up on Steam.
I dont expect them to add it. 
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: iamastupid on October 03, 2017, 08:16:36 AM
I once downloaded a pirated copy (I legally own a copy so it's technically allowed) then managing somehow to update it to an extent, allowing me to play SWBFSpy and mods perfectly fine without Disc, I was missing Jabba's Palace and a few fixes but it worked fine, I think if I look hard enough I might still have it, if so I could manually install the updates and then it would become a functional version without needing a disc. So it is possible to add BF1 to steam, even with the DRM (Besides for those players who do play older PC games, you'll know steam is no stranger to modified copies of games (Pirated copies) and emulation), it's the simple case of whether Didney will do so.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Led on October 03, 2017, 08:39:36 AM
Quote from: iamastupid on October 03, 2017, 08:16:36 AM
I once downloaded a pirated copy (I legally own a copy so it's technically allowed) then managing somehow to update it to an extent, allowing me to play SWBFSpy and mods perfectly fine without Disc, I was missing Jabba's Palace and a few fixes but it worked fine, I think if I look hard enough I might still have it, if so I could manually install the updates and then it would become a functional version without needing a disc. So it is possible to add BF1 to steam, even with the DRM (Besides for those players who do play older PC games, you'll know steam is no stranger to modified copies of games (Pirated copies) and emulation), it's the simple case of whether Didney will do so.

Yeah, I don't think it works that way.  Anyway, piracy discussions are not allowed here.  If SWBF1 gets to steam, it must be done by the owner/developer/distributor/etc.
Title: Re: WARNING: BACK UP GAME (Steam Update Advice)
Post by: Linux user Awesome on October 04, 2017, 12:33:41 AM
I was pretty shure this started out as a warning to back up steam SWBF2.
and now its about SWBF1 and steam. lol :rofl:
ohwell at leased the steam part stayed.

pardon my bumb questions but:
how does a game become abandonware anyway?
just time or what?
and who owns SWBF1 anyway?
and why does the US have a lack of rye bread?

Thanks.  :cheers:
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