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ICW Mod Map Pack (7z)
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Tournament admins:
Oven (xfire: ovenlovesyou)
Black&Orange Scorpion (5hadowclaw)
Epifire (epifire)
Jamman (jammy19)
Wild (wildisbeast)
Server host:
Led / Buckler (rtlbuckler)
Clans have until midnight CST on Wednesday to make battle announcements for next weekend.
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Quote from: Oven on August 12, 2012, 09:36:03 PM
Results from Week 4
- 212 defeats YAK to defend Ord Mantell
212 defeats YAK to defend Kamino - FC defeats 212 to defend Hoth
FC defeats 212 to take Tranquan
FC defeats GRC to take Endor; GRC is eliminated - YAK defeats 212 to defend Tatooine
Actually FC took Yavin 4 from GRC not Endor.
Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:Yak
Planet:Tatooine
Proposed date/time:Saturday 2pm est
Yak choose era and side
Map Order:mos eisley then jabba
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 13, 2012, 06:35:53 AM
Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:Yak
Planet:Tatooine
Proposed date/time:Saturday 2pm est
Yak choose era and side
Map Order:mos eisley then jabba
YAK chooses GCW/Empire
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Kamino
Proposed date/time: Saturday, August 18, 1pm EST
Era/Side: YAK chooses CW/Republic
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Ord Mantell
Proposed date/time: Friday, August 17, 1pm EST
Era/Side: YAK chooses GCW/Rebels
I will be gone at a concert on Saturday, so if you are a YAK, please come to the battle!
EDIT: I changed the times to times that would work better for YAK members.
Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 2PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: Cloud City then Platforms
212 chooses teams/eras
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Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Coruscant
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 3PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: City then Streets
212 chooses teams/eras
Too many battles! We also have other things to do so can you both reduce your number of attacks on us? We can get members to come to maybe 4 battles max please attack us next week or cancell it completely :( and we can only do battles between 1-3pm est ATM sorry if this doesnt work
By all means do what you need to in order to fit your schedule; but bear in mind that you only need to bring 4 players for half of those battles, and you have the assurance of an even match. That was the intent behind this rule -- so that defending your most valuable assets (large planets) is not a huge scheduling nightmare in these later weeks of the tourney.
Okay, but even with this rule if yak and fc can find other planets to attack it would be greatful because for this weekend mos 212 have events in there real life gOing on
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 13, 2012, 10:14:58 AM
Okay, but even with this rule if yak and fc can find other planets to attack it would be greatful because for this weekend mos 212 have events in there real life gOing on
Let's see the only planets FC can attack are the ones owned by 212 (since 212 already announced their attack on Yak), so we don't have any other options.
If 4 battles is all 212 can make, then perhaps you should devote your time to defense this week.
Sorry I forgot about that but you could still only have 1 attack but we can try to do both fc battles if they are between 1-3 est time I will talk about sides with other ldr. But it would still be helpful if yak could maybe sort something out with one of their attacks that would be great.
212 will be empire for both planets and maps for fc battle and we will attack: attacking clan:212
Defending clan:Fc
Planet:Tranqaan(not sure about spelling)
Saturday 3pm est time
212 choose clone wars/cis
I can maybe make it to the battles on friday or sunday i can try :)
Okay well then 212 has 6 battles :/ good luck all :D
Here's the map.
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Updated map is a few posts below!
since when does Yak own Ord Mantell? If I'm not mistaken 212 beat Yak to defend Ord Mantel, am I right
Your right 212 defended it
All right, calm your farms.
[Fixed]
[spoiler](https://dl.dropbox.com/u/38022982/Skins/pootis2.png)[/spoiler]
thanks for making such nice maps regent 8)
Quote from: Phobos on August 15, 2012, 06:03:44 AM
thanks for making such nice maps regent 8)
Yeah it looks awesome. :tu:
Calendar updated. (http://www.my.calendars.net/icwoven/)
Alert me to any errors, as usual. I will post the schedule here tomorrow for those who may have trouble viewing the calendar.
Just wondering :p Is it too late to make a alliance? :D
Quote from: {212}Leader.Arrow on August 16, 2012, 10:02:06 AM
Just wondering :p Is it too late to make a alliance? :D
Arrow if you talking about making an alliance with [Yak] I'm sure we would be more than happy to accept your offer as long as the moderaters and admins approve.It would be a fair fight against FC,considering Yak has a hard time winning Against them.
Quote from: {212}Leader.Arrow on August 16, 2012, 10:02:06 AM
Just wondering :p Is it too late to make a alliance? :D
No.
ComFrost would have to confirm YAK's acceptance, though.
Now that they're formally scheduled, I don't think I will be available for any (even though it was highly unlikely to begin with).
Ord Mantell is up on my DC server, 69.246.184.48 pass = icw
I will be unavailable to all the battles this weekend as well. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Saturday servers are now up.
I'll be moderating the Sunday battles.
Friday
1:00p -2:00p Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Ord Mantell
Proposed date/time: Friday, August 17, 1pm EST
Era/Side: YAK chooses GCW/Rebels
Saturday
1:00p -2:00p Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Kamino
Proposed date/time: Saturday, August 18, 1pm EST
Era/Side: YAK chooses CW/Republic
2:00p -3:00p Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:Yak
Planet:Tatooine
Proposed date/time:Saturday 2pm est
YAK chooses GCW/Empire
Map Order:mos eisley then jabba
3:00p -4:00p Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:FC
Planet:Tranquan
Saturday 3pm est time
212 choose clone wars/cis
Sunday
2:00p -3:00p Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 2PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: Cloud City then Platforms
212 chooses teams/eras
3:00p -4:00p Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Coruscant
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 3PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: City then Streets
212 chooses teams/eras
Its fine but I thought yak attacked us onfriday both kaminO and ord mantell I can't check coz I'm on another acces point so I just wanted to check that although I'm sure we could do both times
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 17, 2012, 04:00:45 AM
Its fine but I thought yak attacked us onfriday both kaminO and ord mantell I can't check coz I'm on another acces point so I just wanted to check that although I'm sure we could do both times
We did originally, but I changed Kamino to Saturday because it is better for our members that way. Plus, we have all the time we need to finish Ord Mantell! :P
Okay
Hey led, I see your on here now, We are having troubles joining the DC you set up. We get a Cannot Connect every time.
212 defended Ord Mantell from YAK. ( I didn't get a screenshot, but here is another guys.)
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125026687-4.jpg
Note to Oven: Both sides had members who cursed. Probably 4-5 times each side. However it was so long of a match ( My xfire had to stop because I started to run out of space on my computer) that I just let it go in-game. Also, Led's DC didn't work out for anyone, so both sides agreed to letting YAK Johnis host.
For future tournaments, perhaps the ICW 2, I say ditch this map lol.
212 won Ord Mantell. We had a YAK member host a server, so if that was a problem, we can have a rematch or whatever.
YAK and 212 are now in an alliance, so IDK what will happen with the battles tomorrow.
Can we throw the battles out? Too much battling for 212 this weekend ;)
good game yak. It only took 1 hour and 40 minutes to play :o :o I agree with Jamman this map is far to big. still had fun tho. GG Yak :tu:
Hi Jamman,
Probably my home internet is down. All I can say is sorry. I am at work and can not fix it until later tonight.
Quote from: {212}Leader.Arrow on August 17, 2012, 11:46:37 AM
Can we throw the battles out? Too much battling for 212 this weekend ;)
It's fine with me.
So can we make new plans to attack fc tommarow then or no. :cheers: Good job 212 you fought strong and hard.congrats.
Yay an alliance :D and it's best if the battles vs yak are cancelled or just played for fun no admins needed if. That was arranged but idk
Quote from: Jamman on August 17, 2012, 11:42:18 AM
For future tournaments, perhaps the ICW 2, I say ditch this map lol.
I made that decision after Week 1, haha.
So the YAK/212 battles tomorrow are cancelled due to their alliance, leaving the FC/212 battle at 3 EST, plus the two FC/212 battles on Sunday.
212 I'm not sure how many Yak can help you today and tommarow.But I will try and be the if at all possible.Frost is out of town and I don't have x-fire so its hard for me to rally troops.P.S thanks for the peace treaty. :cheers:
Who will be admin for the tranquan battle
FC defended Tranquan from 212.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125040663-4.jpg
good game Fc. sorry some of our members held up the start time.
FC flamed before the battle. Not sure much can be done since Jamman never issued a warning.
I have pictures, if needed PM me.
Other than that, good game FC.
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on August 18, 2012, 12:54:20 PM
FC flamed before the battle. Not sure much can be done since Jamman never issued a warning.
I have pictures, if needed PM me.
Other than that, good game FC.
As do I. But Jamman didnt issue a warning so It isnt a problem.
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on August 18, 2012, 12:54:20 PM
FC flamed before the battle. Not sure much can be done since Jamman never issued a warning.
I have pictures, if needed PM me.
Other than that, good game FC.
Darman got in a argument with Jamman which involved one bad word being said.
I have a screencap of 212-killfire cussing also during the battle if needed
For me it is funny when you are talking about flaming. I don't like it but it is there since i started swbf1 and that is seven years ago. Even if you "punish" the flamer. There is nothing you can do. You can't say that he isn't allowed to play in battles, because he can play with another name. You can't ban him from the servers because he can get a nickchanger. Just ignore the flaming. That's the only thing you can do.
ps. I am Icemen, one of 212's leaders
I sticantbeleivewe let jr get highest score:D
Quote from: evosoul on August 18, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
For me it is funny when you are talking about flaming. I don't like it but it is there since i started swbf1 and that is seven years ago. Even if you "punish" the flamer. There is nothing you can do. You can't say that he isn't allowed to play in battles, because he can play with another name. You can't ban him from the servers because he can get a nickchanger. Just ignore the flaming. That's the only thing you can do.
ps. I am Icemen, one of 212's leaders
I can always get an IP address and ban them. Trust me, I have my ways ;)
No punishments will be issued for the Tranquan match, since the flaming seems to have been fairly minor, no warning was issued, etc.
Quote from: evosoul on August 18, 2012, 01:37:34 PM
For me it is funny when you are talking about flaming. I don't like it but it is there since i started swbf1 and that is seven years ago. Even if you "punish" the flamer. There is nothing you can do. You can't say that he isn't allowed to play in battles, because he can play with another name. You can't ban him from the servers because he can get a nickchanger. Just ignore the flaming. That's the only thing you can do.
Wrong. However I will concede that a little trash talk is not such a bad thing and should realistically be expected.
Buckler, there are IP Changers or Proxy Servers do get another IP. So your ban will be no help. The Esl tried it with ip checks and that doesnt help
Quote from: evosoul on August 19, 2012, 08:58:05 AM
Buckler, there are IP Changers or Proxy Servers do get another IP. So your ban will be no help. The Esl tried it with ip checks and that doesnt help
I have five years experience with banning morons. I know all about proxy servers...and every other trick. If I want someone to stay banned, then stay banned.
Hope thats true. I only know that there are some ways to fool a ban and that the ESL didn't have a chance against that. I hope you are right and that you can do that Buckler.
Quote from: evosoul on August 19, 2012, 09:37:35 AM
Hope thats true. I only know that there are some ways to fool a ban and that the ESL didn't have a chance against that. I hope you are right and that you can do that Buckler.
There are many layers and levels of complexity that can be applied. Having a private server is one aspect and keeps most riff-raff out. If someone is intent on causing a disturbance they surely will for a short time. However, there are counter measures for each escalation that I don't need to go into here. For now, let's not look for trouble and just deal with it when it comes up. :cheers:
Buckler, can you host a DC for coruscant city?
Oh, and the Sunday servers are not up yet, with 10 minutes to go until Bespin.
Quote from: Oven on August 19, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
Buckler, can you host a DC for coruscant city?
Oh, and the Sunday servers are not up yet, with 10 minutes to go until Bespin.
CW bespin server was up at 2:05 , DC coruscant is up, same IP
Please include eras ;)
Hey Led,
DC Coruscant for GCW Era
City then streets
Quote from: Buckler on August 19, 2012, 11:12:16 AM
CW bespin server was up at 2:05 , DC coruscant is up, same IP
Please include eras ;)
I posted comprehensive server information on page 3. It's also on the calendar.
Quote from: Oven on August 19, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
I posted comprehensive server information on page 3. It's also on the calendar.
eras not on the calendar:
2:00p -3:00p Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 2PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: Cloud City then Platforms
212 chooses teams/eras
ADMIN(S) ANTICIPATED: Oven
3:00p -4:00p Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Coruscant
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday August 19th 3PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: City then Streets
212 chooses teams/eras
ADMIN(S) ANTICIPATED: Oven
212 defended Bespin from FC.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125054916-4.jpg CC
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125054920-4.jpg Platform
212 defended Coruscant from FC.
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125056393-4.jpg
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/125056395-4.jpg
Note to Oven: FC Kishan cursed twice on CC and received a warning after the first time.
212 member cursed once on CC, received a warning, and cursed on Platforms once.
A 212 member cursed on City, received a warning.
I have two serious concerns I feel the admins need to take into consideration regarding today's wars and future wars:
1
Several 212 members who cannot even be verified as legitimate members joined the server near the end of Streets battle when FC was winning, and made the team count unbalanced.
(according to their webpage here
http://212th.de/index.php?option=com_cbe&view=userslist&Itemid=73 (http://212th.de/index.php?option=com_cbe&view=userslist&Itemid=73)
antares, somers, and slayer are not real 212 members. some concerns have been raised about name faking in the past and this is still an ongoing issue.)
I am proposing that a rule be made (and enforced by the ingame admin) that once an even number is decided for both teams, it should stay that way, both for large planets and small planets. Players should not be allowed to join mid-battle, if the battle starts as a 5v5, it should stay that way for the remainder of that round.
Additionally the server host should be willing to verify the members identities by checking IP address if asked to. This would prevent either team from having name-fakers join without being able to verify their identity in time.
2
My second proposal is that the past couple weeks have been very inconvenient battle times for FC. Most of us cannot play at 12-3PM because we have other things to be doing. We have tried to accommodate for 212 but it seems unfair that they should always be given the best times for battle.
FC should be allowed to schedule at least 1 of the 2 battles (50%) at a time that is more convenient for FC, such as 5-6PM. It would be unfair to always give 212 a scheduling advantage where they get to always have the most convenient time for wars. This rule should apply for 212 attacking us also, say if they want a battle at 2PM and 3PM we should be allowed to change one of the battles to 5 or 6PM. This would even the odds so that every other battle would give one team the chance to have most of their members show up at the best time suited for them.
Antraes somers and slayer are real memebers and i don't think they remebered to register on the site or Arrow forgot to accept them.
Somers is a real member for sure I personally recruited him last month and is on the team as for the other two I did not recruit them personal but have played many times with both they are all 212 members. Most 212 are German and Europeans American times don't work at all so we might get 3 to a battle at most it does not
Matter so much as of so far you have had at least 6 to every battle we can take into account earlier like 12 and 1 are not suitable for you so will not attack at those times. I look at xfire during the day and see fc members online most times and haven't notice this problem personally. We can also Respect the fact that Friday Americans are at school and work and even Europeans too. Te link only shows members that have created an account On the website we have other members than just the ones you mentioned that haven't
Created an account because of there own personal problems and if you really want to stand up for what you said we could also say the same about you your members list hasn't showed many of the members playing in the battles but I do not think it can be critisized. It's just a little fun so plz let's not make it into a war outside of swbf.
I think FC's just mad because they lost both maps.
It sounds like a lot more work and time for the admins and especially the server host. Having to check IP's when people feel uncomfortable with names they haven't seen before. Lately, most battles as well have been starting 20 minutes past the official start time. I personally don't want to ask another admin to take his time to look through IP's and try to match them with the IP's of clan members.
About players joining mid-battle, in the past for many matches, when we are reaching that force-start time, I tell players that we need to start, and they may join mid-battle. This goes especially for the DC servers. A lot of people take a longer time to join those delaying the battle.
212 did say they felt cheated in today's matches mid-way though concerning the use of minimap of certain players. I did not want to do anything concerning that because there is almost no way to show it other than having everyone take screenshots and admins verifying them, and I had been sitting here for about 2 hours and didn't want to keep myself here to make others feel more comfortable.
Maybe clans having a match against a European clan compromise to say 3 EST? it is morning for us, and night for them. I agree Americans shouldn't have to wake up early as crap to swbf, but I also think making Europeans play during the middle of the night is crazy too.
Quote from: JohnisofLU on August 19, 2012, 02:27:49 PM
I think FC's just mad because they lost both maps.
FC is not mad for losing 3 of 4 battles today, we do enjoy a challenge, but we feel the rules need to be updated to make the battles EVEN so that 212 does not always get to have the scheduling advantage.
If a battle starts as 4v4, or 4v6, it should stay that way to the end of round IMO.
Also out of the 8 battles so far between FC and 212, FC has won 5 of them. So I hope to see more wins and losses for both teams because it makes the tournament more fun, as long as people can be mature about it.
Playing as elk and now yak I have fought battles against FC from the begining and in every one FC has had an unfair advantage of troops.In every map they had two or three more guys then yak and elk.The battle between 212 and FC yesterday FC and more guys the 212 and 212 even had yak's help.
Quote from: JohnisofLU on August 19, 2012, 02:56:04 PM
Playing as elk and now yak I have fought battles against FC from the begining and in every one FC has had an unfair advantage of troops.In every map they had two or three more guys then yak and elk.The battle between 212 and FC yesterday FC and more guys the 212 and 212 even had yak's help.
This is not true for all battles simply look at all the screenshots in the previous threads. If we did have more for some battles it was not in violation of any rules and most were there when the round started, not joining near the end. Anyway, this won't be an issue anymore if my proposal is accepted by the admins.
@Rage: I think we can push the time for battles a little later but school is starting soon so i suggest having the late battles for europeans on friday night and saturday. But also Since school starts soon fridays will become a problem for some Americans. The timezones :( Please no later than 6pm Est thats Midnight in Germany xD And later for some players in Russia... :ohmy:
Quote from: {212}Leader.Arrow on August 19, 2012, 03:22:07 PM
@Rage: I think we can push the time for battles a little later but school is starting soon so i suggest having the late battles for europeans on friday night and saturday. But also Since school starts soon fridays will become a problem for some Americans. The timezones :( Please no later than 6pm Est thats Midnight in Germany xD And later for some players in Russia... :ohmy:
Currently our best time is on saturday around 5PM EST so we will try not to schedule late battles on sunday nights against 212. Anyway its past 6pm already but I see a lot of 212 on the forum right now.
Nah, i have the slowest computer in swbf ( 2nd to Josh02) and it takes me minutes to finally get connection and then 3 minutes to get to the server. What can i do about it? That is why i woüldn't like that rule. :cheers:
Quote from: {212}Mart on August 19, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
Nah, i have the slowest computer in swbf ( 2nd to Josh02) and it takes me minutes to finally get connection and then 3 minutes to get to the server. What can i do about it? That is why i woüldn't like that rule. :cheers:
You would just inform your team who could announce in game that you are joining the server and we would wait for you to start.
But then you would complain we are extending the start time and so on.
Quote from: {212}Mart on August 19, 2012, 03:34:47 PM
But then you would complain we are extending the start time and so on.
If it takes you more than 20 minutes to join a server, please go buy a new PC from newegg or something. We are always willing to wait up to 20 minutes from scheduled start time if needed.
If only i was an adult :shrug:
Quote from: {212}Mart on August 19, 2012, 03:24:58 PM
Nah, i have the slowest computer in swbf ( 2nd to Josh02) and it takes me minutes to finally get connection and then 3 minutes to get to the server. What can i do about it? That is why i woüldn't like that rule. :cheers:
The server is usually up the day before, just join 20 minutes before the start of the match ;)
ah if only it were that simple... and not letting players come late would have been on the rules if it were a problem :shrug:
Quote from: Phobos on August 19, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Anyway its past 6pm already but I see a lot of 212 on the forum right now.
Only the Americans.
Quote from: {212}Mart on August 19, 2012, 04:48:41 PM
ah if only it were that simple... and not letting players come late would have been on the rules if it were a problem :shrug:
That is why I proposed it be added to the rules because it has been a problem lately
It's part of the tournment, but let's see what Oven says :cheer:
before the judgement comes crashing down I would like to tell all 212 that there are no hard feelings or anything. you're the first real competition we have encountered in this tournament and that makes me way more happy than frustrated. we'll get you next time, when the full force of FC is actually represented
Good luck to you :cheers: , and if we had our full force too... :shrug:
@Joesph I so glad you said that! yes in game 212 can be a little xDDD um competitive >_> But Out of game we are all friends I hope :moo: Fc is definately the toughest opponent for 212 I'm glad its saved for end :)
The tournament rules were designed to be consistent but not necessarily complete, which is to say that they may not cover every conceivable situation that can arise. My understanding of today's battles is that some flaws or gaps in the rules should be addressed at this time.
The requests made by Phobos are reasonable and I will address them now.
Quote from: Phobos on August 19, 2012, 01:45:19 PM
I am proposing that a rule be made (and enforced by the ingame admin) that once an even number is decided for both teams, it should stay that way, both for large planets and small planets. Players should not be allowed to join mid-battle, if the battle starts as a 5v5, it should stay that way for the remainder of that round.
This is indeed a good idea, and I think it should be made into a rule provided that no one can make a convicing argument against it. The rules as they stand actually give the defenders way more of an advantage than might meet the eye initially; theoretically, the defenders could triple their numbers halfway through a match without the attackers being able to respond (even if the attackers had players on hand initially).
Amendment 1 (proposal): The number of players on each side at the countdown cannot be exceeded during the game. Players may leave, or switch out as long as this condition is upheld. Amendment 1 only applies to large planet battles.Quote from: Phobos on August 19, 2012, 01:45:19 PMAdditionally the server host should be willing to verify the members identities by checking IP address if asked to. This would prevent either team from having name-fakers join without being able to verify their identity in time.
This request raises a number of problems. Should clans submit a member list before matches? Before the tournament? Should they submit an IP list? It's a slippery slope.
Does anyone have thoughts as to how this problem can be avoided? As Jamman says it does require a lot of extra work on the part of the admins. Moreover, Buckler is not always online during game times (nor should he be expected to be) to perform this task.
Quote from: Phobos on August 19, 2012, 01:45:19 PMMy second proposal is that the past couple weeks have been very inconvenient battle times for FC. Most of us cannot play at 12-3PM because we have other things to be doing. We have tried to accommodate for 212 but it seems unfair that they should always be given the best times for battle.
FC should be allowed to schedule at least 1 of the 2 battles (50%) at a time that is more convenient for FC, such as 5-6PM. It would be unfair to always give 212 a scheduling advantage where they get to always have the most convenient time for wars. This rule should apply for 212 attacking us also, say if they want a battle at 2PM and 3PM we should be allowed to change one of the battles to 5 or 6PM. This would even the odds so that every other battle would give one team the chance to have most of their members show up at the best time suited for them.
This suggestion is clearly fair and I don't need to comment on it.
Amendment 2 (proposal): In a given week, each clan has the right to an "upper hand" in scheduling for 50% of matches, as outlined by Phobos above.Please comment on these proposed Amendments.
This is not a unilateral decision by me or anyone else, rather, it should be a democratic one.
Also, about starting times. Some children live farther from school than others. They leave earlier so that they can arrive on time. School cannot start at different times for different children. There is a pre-arranged and agreed upon time that different children can use to judge when they should start getting ready. Enough said!
Quote from: Phobos on August 19, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Currently our best time is on saturday around 5PM EST so we will try not to schedule late battles on sunday nights against 212. Anyway its past 6pm already but I see a lot of 212 on the forum right now.
I can not play any later than 4pm est ik that many other of our main members can't also. We would always be outnumbered as it is at the moment fc can always
Produce enough players to match our times.Although I do understand that it would be fairer (I there's such a word) but lime they said they want a challenge :D
Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:FC
Planet:Tranqaan
Time: Saturday 3pm est
Era/sides:212 choose rep
Arrow you left out our counter parts :'( (Elk and Yak)
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 20, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
At the moment fc can always
Produce enough players to match our times,
Attacking clan:212
Defending clan:FC
Planet:Tranqaan
Time: Saturday 3pm est
Era/sides:212 choose rep
Yes, but most of our stronger members who have been the main core of FC usually go online at around 5/6PM. As for your proposed fight on tranquan again, I suggest that the time be changed to 5PM EST since it is a saturday and also since FC is the defending team, so we should have the privileges of choosing the time that best suits our clan. Obviously we wouldn't consider 8/9PM since it would be 2/3AM in Europe, but 5/6/7PM EST are reasonable times. And I'm pretty sure you have 212 Americans and YAK members at your disposal, so it shouldn't be a huge problem as you seem to be making.
I think some yak members are able to play battle's at any reasonable time so what ever works for 212 I think should work for Yak :confused:.I'm not the rep but I know him personal so I know things.Maybe next year I'll apply to be a rep for a small clan or if Yak is back for Yak.
Quote from: Niño on August 20, 2012, 07:43:44 AM
As for your proposed fight on tranquan again, I suggest that the time be changed to 5PM EST since it is a saturday and also since FC is the defending team, so we should have the privileges of choosing the time that best suits our clan.
3PM on saturday for Tranquaan is fine we can let 212 have that time, so that we may schedule our attack for 5PM.
Since week 6 attacks have apparently started in this thread already, I'll go ahead and post FC's attacks for next week
Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday August 25th 5PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: 1)Cloud City, 2)Platforms
212 chooses teams/eras
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Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Tatooine
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday August 25th 7PM E.S.T.
Attacker Map Order: 1)Mos Eisley, 2)Jabba
YAK chooses teams/eras
We have 3-5 Americans but not all are very active and maybe 4 yak who are not always available and the fact that we can't have players joining during the battle is another set back to getting the numbers.
4 YAK really? Last time we fought YAK they had around 10 members on at the same time. Please just accept the fact that you are well equipped with people who can easily attend wars 2-4 hours later than 212's preferred time range.
How many many yak can we use though? For the number you will have compared to us could double. I agree it's fair but I would have thought it is fine as it is? And this is
Fun so 5 vs 8 will be less fun than a match were it is even just my opinion
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 20, 2012, 10:51:02 AM
And this is
Fun so 5 vs 8 will be less fun than a match were it is even just my opinion
:blink: The irony that can be identified in that statement is just unreal. Tell me, how many members did you have compared to our count on coruscant streets?
We had 2 or 3 because they came late and I am on about when you attack us you will have many more. When we attack you you have members spare. I'm not sure what happened in the battles so I can not talk about them. Im just raising a query of mine.
whatever dude, i have no desire to continue this heated argument anymore.
Whatever? Wow kid.
Ok guys stop it.212 should talk to Comfrost to see what time Yak is most likely able to play.Everybody has diffrent times that they can be online we just need to find a Happy-medium.
Quote from: {212}Mart on August 20, 2012, 04:00:15 AM
Arrow you left out our counter parts :'( (Elk and Yak)
ELK is no longer a part of the ICW. YAK is your ally, not both. ;)
they will never be forgotten :'(
Is it alright If we have empire for tranqaan battle instead of CIs?
Quote from: {212} Nixo on August 20, 2012, 03:03:18 PM
Is it alright If we have empire for tranqaan battle instead of CIs?
For the tranquaan battle, FC is choosing sides/eras since we are the defending team.
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on August 20, 2012, 01:48:18 PM
ELK is no longer a part of the ICW. YAK is your ally, not both. ;)
I saw the posts where Elk members re-joined YAK after Elk was eliminated. Same people, different tag.
Quote from: Niño on August 20, 2012, 03:20:22 PM
For the tranquaan battle, FC is choosing sides/eras since we are the defending team.
This is incorrect, 212 chooses sides/eras for Tech Center because it is a small planet. Lucky 212, they get to choose the sides for all battles against us two weeks in a row!
:slap: my bad
Thanks for clearing that up Phobos :cheers:
Week 6 thread up (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=5116.0)
My apologies for not posting it last night.
Quote from: Phobos on August 20, 2012, 03:29:00 PM
I saw the posts where Elk members re-joined YAK after Elk was eliminated. Same people, different tag.
This is because YAK and ELK combined into one. They were having trouble with having too few members available at the battles, so ELK joined YAK with YAK recieving ELK's remaining planet at the time of their combination.
In regard to when YAK members are available, 12-3PM EST is usually the best time, but we do have quite a few Americans and should be able to get enough members at 5-7PM EST.
I think that we should add that on large planets there is never more than 3 defenders for every 2 attackers. Then people can still join after the battle starts, but if it starts as a 6 vs 6, only three more defenders may join without more attackers joining.
Quote from: [YAK]ComFrost on August 20, 2012, 06:25:16 PM
This is because YAK and ELK combined into one. They were having trouble with having too few members available at the battles, so ELK joined YAK with YAK recieving ELK's remaining planet at the time of their combination.
YAK started off as one clan, then split in two: YAK and ELK. Then after a few weeks they re-combined back into YAK as it first started. So basically all ELKs are now YAKs once again. :dry:
I understand where you're coming from, I wish we would've known ahead of time whether or not people would show to battles or not. We had YAK in the beginning because we weren't sure how many people would actually show to matches. After a while, we realized that we could manage two clans successfully. But that didn't last, as Summer progressed, many members were too busy to make it to battles, so we were forced to go back to the one group, again.
What's done is done. All we can do is move forward and learn from our mistakes.