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Title: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 22, 2012, 09:06:29 PM
ICW calendar (updated as information comes in) (http://www.my.calendars.net/icwoven)

ICW Mod Map Pack (7z)
(http://www.speedyshare.com/suvRC/ICW-Mod-Maps.7z)
ICW Mod Map Pack (rar)
(http://www.sendspace.com/file/lj1deg)

Results from Week 1:

Still to be determined: Who takes Kamino, 212 or ELK.

(An updated map showing new clan territories will be posted soon.)

Clans have until midnight CST on Wednesday to make battle announcements for next weekend.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 22, 2012, 10:28:05 PM
Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Utapau
Proposed date and time of battle: July 29th 6PM E.S.T.
Attacker side: FC chooses CIS

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Attacking clan: FC
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Rhen Var
Proposed date and time of battle: July 29th 7PM E.S.T.
Attacker map order: Citadel followed by Harbor
(YAK chooses Side and Era as defenders of large planet)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Unit 33 on July 23, 2012, 01:04:59 AM
Here's the map.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 23, 2012, 04:15:37 AM
Attacking Clan: YAK
Defending Clan: DW
Planet: Tatooine
Proposed date and time: Saturday, July 28th, 12:00 CST (1:00 EST)
Attacker Side: YAK chooses Empire

Attacking Clan: YAK
Defending Clan: GRC
Planet: Yavin
Proposed date and time: Saturday, July 28th, 2:00 PM CST (3:00 EST)
Attacker Side: YAK chooses Empire
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 23, 2012, 08:28:44 AM
I thought the defending clan gets to choose side and era when another clan attacks large planet.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 23, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Attacking clan: ELK
Defending clan: FC
Planet: Dantooine
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, ELK chooses Empire


Attacking clan: ELK
Defending clan: FC
Planet: Kashyyyk
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 4:00 PM EST
Map order: Islands followed by Docks
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 23, 2012, 03:41:47 PM
Quote from: Phobos on July 23, 2012, 08:28:44 AM
I thought the defending clan gets to choose side and era when another clan attacks large planet.
Doesnt matter to me either way. They can choose.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 23, 2012, 03:51:07 PM
Quote from: [ELK]ComFrost on July 23, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Attacking clan: ELK
Defending clan: FC
Planet: Dantooine
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, ELK chooses Empire
I would like to change the era to CW, and our side to Republic if I could please. :)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 23, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
Attacking clan: UEF
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Coruscant-Streets
Proposed date and time of battle: Friday  July 27, 4:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, UEF chooses Empire

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Attacking clan: UEF
Defending clan: DW
Planet: Ord Mantell
Proposed date and time of battle: Thursday July 26, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, UEF chooses Rebels
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 23, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: {U.E.F}ImmortalTsukuyomi Anyder on July 23, 2012, 04:08:04 PM
Attacking clan: UEF
Defending clan: DW
Planet: Ord Mantell
Proposed date and time of battle: Thursday July 26, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, UEF chooses Empire
Could you pick another day for this one? We are only doing matches on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 23, 2012, 05:20:02 PM
Scenario: Clan attacks Large Planet.
# attackers: No more than the number of defenders
# defenders: at least 4, at most 12
# maps played: 2. attacker must win both times to take planet.
Defender privileges: select era and side.
Attacker privileges: choose map order

So if UEF is attacker then 212 gets to choose era and side...?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 24, 2012, 05:31:38 AM
Ok then the Sunday
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 24, 2012, 07:41:33 AM
I may not be able to be online for all of the YAK and ELK battles on Saturday, I will try, but I might only be able to get to one or two.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 24, 2012, 07:57:28 AM
For the Kashyyyk battles, FC will choose the CIS team for both maps: Islands and Docks.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 24, 2012, 11:19:08 AM
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on July 23, 2012, 04:15:37 AM
Attacking Clan: YAK
Defending Clan: DW
Planet: Tatooine
Proposed date and time: Saturday, July 28th, 12:00 CST (1:00 EST)
Attacker Side: YAK chooses Empire

Attacking Clan: YAK
Defending Clan: GRC
Planet: Yavin
Proposed date and time: Saturday, July 28th, 2:00 PM CST (3:00 EST)
Attacker Side: YAK chooses Empire
Doesn't YAK choose the map order, and DW choose era and side?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 24, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
If DW and GRC aren't online to choose, then I think we should get the privilege. So far, none of them have posted in the forums for the ICW.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 24, 2012, 04:06:30 PM
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on July 24, 2012, 03:25:11 PM
If DW and GRC aren't online to choose, then I think we should get the privilege.

No
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 25, 2012, 05:02:04 PM
Defender privileges: select era and side.
Attacker privileges: choose map order

So 212 chooses era and side correct?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 25, 2012, 05:46:06 PM
Attacking clan: (212)
Defending clan: {ELK}
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 2:00 PM EST
Map Order: Cloud City ; Platforms

Sorry if this battle is too late? We had the Kamino debate that took the beginning of this week...
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 25, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
It's not too late, deadline is in 4 hrs
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 25, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
Quote from: (212)Arrow on July 25, 2012, 05:46:06 PM
Attacking clan: (212)
Defending clan: {ELK}
Planet: Bespin
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 2:00 PM EST
Map Order: Cloud City ; Platforms

Sorry if this battle is too late? We had the Kamino debate that took the beginning of this week...
ELK has already made battle announcements for that day and time.
Quote from: [ELK]ComFrost on July 23, 2012, 08:40:39 AM
Attacking clan: ELK
Defending clan: FC
Planet: Dantooine
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, ELK chooses Empire


Attacking clan: ELK
Defending clan: FC
Planet: Kashyyyk
Proposed date and time of battle: Saturday July 28, 4:00 PM EST
Map order: Islands followed by Docks
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 25, 2012, 09:45:51 PM
How about 1pm Est?  :shrug:
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2012, 08:03:22 AM
Ok, as there were a mistake of time with my last post
Here i leave the info again :

Attacking clan: UEF
Defending clan: 212
Planet: Coruscant-Streets
Proposed date and time of battle: Friday  July 27, 4:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, UEF chooses Empire

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Attacking clan: UEF
Defending clan: DW
Planet: Ord Mantell
Proposed date and time of battle: Sunday July 29, 2:00 PM EST
Era: GCW, UEF chooses Rebels
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 26, 2012, 01:51:30 PM
212 Choses Empire UEF decides map order.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2012, 04:42:28 PM
ehm its just 1 map -- Coruscant Streets
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 26, 2012, 05:02:52 PM
You only play one map? O_o
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 26, 2012, 06:06:24 PM
Coruscant is a large planet so both maps are played. UEF must win both in order to control the planet.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 26, 2012, 09:30:41 PM
GRC chooses GCW/Empire for the Yavin IV battles.

DW chooses CW/CIS for the Tatooine battles.

Stay tuned, potential significant announcement imminent.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: -=(212) Nixo=- on July 27, 2012, 05:46:10 AM
So 212vsU.E.F can have a max of 12 players each??? And U.E.F are attacking another planet as well so how does  that work???
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: {212} Nixo on July 27, 2012, 05:46:10 AM
So 212vsU.E.F can have a max of 12 players each??? And U.E.F are attacking another planet as well so how does  that work???

There is a max of 12 players, but 212 has the defender advantage that there can be no more UEF than 212. If 8 of you show up, no more than 8 UEF may show, etc.

UEF is attacking the other planet on Sun.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 27, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
I will work on putting up the servers tonight.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 01:07:39 PM
Quote from: Buckler on July 27, 2012, 09:21:56 AM
I will work on putting up the servers tonight.
Just in time for the second battle
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 01:46:34 PM
UEF hosted a server which was agreed upon by all at the beginning of the match, then cuts the server halfway through the game because of "lag issues". I am aware that a dedicated server should have been in place for which I take responsibility, but the way UEF handled the situation is grounds for a penalty as it is.

212 saves coruscant.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 01:49:35 PM
sorry for dp
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:00:50 PM
Thats not fair,
Its not OUR problem if u dont do ur work, or u do it wrong
U should have care of having a root server up
I posted this on MONDAY and u dont have any root on FRIDAY
Anyway, u may forgot it, but NONE of the server were Dedicated Servers, and none of them have ''noaim''
So u broke ur own rule.

And about my lag :
Why did I fall ? Bcuz I enjoy dying ?
Why did I aim walls ? Bcuz I dislike the colors ?
Why did I aim ground ? Bcuz I wanna kill myself ?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 27, 2012, 06:06:22 PM
Anyder, I have been out of town for a week and have not been able to set up servers.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Jamman on July 27, 2012, 06:13:08 PM

I will most likely be on for each battle tomorrow afternoon if I am needed.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 06:25:38 PM
Quote from: {U.E.F}ImmortalTsukuyomi Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:00:50 PM
Thats not fair,
Its not OUR problem if u dont do ur work, or u do it wrong
U should have care of having a root server up
I posted this on MONDAY and u dont have any root on FRIDAY
Anyway, u may forgot it, but NONE of the server were Dedicated Servers, and none of them have ''noaim''
So u broke ur own rule.

There was a problem with the server which was explained to all parties before the match.

Every single player in the match agreed implicitly that the UEF hosted server would be the official server in light of this problem. I asked both clans if they were ready to play, and both said yes.

UEF rapidly lost ground and then the server was immediately ended by Dumbledore on the grounds that the server was unplayably laggy.

212 members did not experience this traumatic lag, nor did I, and I am American.

I'm not playing the indefinitely postponed rematch game ever again in this tournament, ever. All issues will be resolved immediately after battles. I had hoped that rulings like this would not ever be an issue but they are, and someone is going to get a little hurt. I am truly sorry.


Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:29:17 PM
dumble said
Ok im gonna close the server bcuz im lagging too
And he said it on public chat
And what about the rule ?
U pass of it, or what ?
U broke ur own rule
The only way to put /noaim command its on the ini file of a Dedicated Server, and last 2 servers were PC servers.
After the Failed Match Dumble made a server for a 2on2 intern of uef.
My ping was 100-94 and before 150
So dont go there saying we werent lagging when I FELL and we lost 1 ticket.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
U say ''There was a problem with the server which was explained to all parties before the match.''
How's that I didnt Know it ?
We were talking on the evening and u didnt say it to me.
''Every single player in the match agreed implicitly that the UEF hosted server would be the official server'' -- No comments.... U didnt ask this, or at least I didnt asnwer this.
Yes, Im so ******* annoyed.  :rant:
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 06:42:22 PM
Quote from: {U.E.F}ImmortalTsukuyomi Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:37:22 PM
U say ''There was a problem with the server which was explained to all parties before the match.''
How's that I didnt Know it ?
We were talking on the evening and u didnt say it to me.

I did say it multiple times, Buckler was not able to set up the server. If there were no problem, why would we play on a UEF server?

Quote''Every single player in the match agreed implicitly that the UEF hosted server would be the official server'' -- No comments.... U didnt ask this, or at least I didnt asnwer this.

Then why would you say you are ready to play the match when I ask you?

QuoteYes, Im so ******* annoyed.  :rant:

I'm really sorry, I know this is not 100% fair but in this kind of situation I don't think a 100% fair solution is feasible.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2012, 06:45:53 PM
U didnt say it, but dont worry, Next time ill host, even there's a root up.
Ill put everything on soo u lag as I did.
Then we will own and I wanna know what u say.
This is what Smile says :
He 28/07/2012, at 3:13 a.m., 1.=D'/Shadow {U.E.F) wrote:
> 9999 server + lagg

ROFLMAO ! If its not a 100% fair, why do u apply it ?
Are u kidding me ?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 06:59:37 PM
DW has dropped out of the tournament. Ord mantell is awarded to UEF, and Tatooine is awarded to YAK.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Jamman on July 27, 2012, 07:01:39 PM
Why don't you take your wise self off the forum and cool down a bit guy. Bad situations require very hard calls to be made, and you should 100% respect Ovens decision, and you should 100% thank him for creating this tournament.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2012, 07:03:02 PM
Here u have the ping we had in the funwar
Maybe u dont know Smile is german and live about 50 Km away from Dumbledore
Maybe I have 100 more ping than the normal (https://www.swbfgamers.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fscreenshot.xfire.com%2Fs%2F124708731-3.jpg&hash=ae6c79274d2abd28afa6c4e46b0ec897ba1c5dce)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 27, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 27, 2012, 06:59:37 PM
DW has dropped out of the tournament. Ord mantell is awarded to UEF, and Tatooine is awarded to YAK.
So...can YAK plan another battle since the Tatooine one was cancelled?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 27, 2012, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on July 27, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
So...can YAK plan another battle since the Tatooine one was cancelled?
I don't think that would be fair letting you attack 3 planets since its already like a free win for YAK. But its up to the admins.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 07:08:40 PM
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on July 27, 2012, 07:06:13 PM
So...can YAK plan another battle since the Tatooine one was cancelled?

I would say yes but I don't think it would be fair on the clan you attacked, short notice and all.

And what Phobos said
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 27, 2012, 07:12:23 PM
Alright, just wondering.

Thanks for the free planet, DW.  :shrug:
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
DW leaving is for the better I think. Lets face it, the battles wouldn't have been very fun. lol.

I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the people who participate in these threads and who take an active role in making this tournament happen. It's safe to say that you get out of it what you put into it!
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 27, 2012, 07:28:50 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 27, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the people who participate in these threads and who take an active role in making this tournament happen. It's safe to say that you get out of it what you put into it!
Agreed.  :happy:

I'm honored to have this role in such an awesome tournament.  :cheers:

As long as we all have fun doing what we like, it's all worth it in the end, regardless of the outcome of the war. :moo:
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 27, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 27, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of the people who participate in these threads and who take an active role in making this tournament happen. It's safe to say that you get out of it what you put into it!
I would also like to thank all the active people participating, especially you, Oven, for coming up with the idea, and Buckler/Led for hosting most of the maps!  :cheers:

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Sha-Zam, I would like to give you a friendly reminder if I could that YAK still needs to determine the map order on Yavin for tomorrow vs GRC, as well as the era(s) and side(s) on Rhen Var on Sunday. Thanks!  ;)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212}Leader.Arrow on July 28, 2012, 12:06:48 AM
Is there still 212 vs ELK on Bespin today i posted a few days ago then again for a time change but no one ansewered :/
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 28, 2012, 03:22:38 AM
So, we can attack again ?
We attack Coruscant
BE SURE TO HAVE A SERVER UP, I DONT WANNA WASTE MY TIME AS WE DID YESTERDAY
And if we cant attack them this week
We attack Tatooine
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 28, 2012, 03:32:02 AM
Quote from: {U.E.F}Immortal Anyder on July 28, 2012, 03:22:38 AM
So, we can attack again ?
We attack Coruscant
BE SURE TO HAVE A SERVER UP, I DONT WANNA WASTE MY TIME AS WE DID YESTERDAY
And if we cant attack them this week
We attack Tatooine

Be nice or leave.  Don't waste my time.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 28, 2012, 04:26:53 AM
Ok, I Chill, but next time, plz , have the server up
Ah i forgot to say
We attack Tatooine On Sunday at 11.00 am EST
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 28, 2012, 05:41:45 AM
Quote from: [ELK]ComFrost on July 27, 2012, 07:55:37 PM
Sha-Zam, I would like to give you a friendly reminder if I could that YAK still needs to determine the map order on Yavin for tomorrow vs GRC, as well as the era(s) and side(s) on Rhen Var on Sunday. Thanks!  ;)
Arena, then Temple for Yavin.

CW, Republic for Rhen Var.

Sorry if it's a little late, I've been super busy.
If the servers are already made, I don't care about the map order for Yavin or the era for Rhen Var. (but I do care about our side)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 28, 2012, 07:17:27 AM
Quote from: {U.E.F}Immortal Anyder on July 28, 2012, 04:26:53 AM
Ok, I Chill, but next time, plz , have the server up
Ah i forgot to say
We attack Tatooine On Sunday at 11.00 am EST

I was out of town from Monday-Friday, Anyder.  It is simply was not possible to set up a server decided on Wednesday for Friday, when I was unavailable until late Friday evening.

Now, maybe you can do more than Chill--how about an apology?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: -=(212) Nixo=- on July 28, 2012, 07:55:02 AM
 ??? When is the 212 vs Elk match on Bespin!?!?
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 28, 2012, 08:04:31 AM
Quote from: {212} Nixo on July 28, 2012, 07:55:02 AM
??? When is the 212 vs Elk match on Bespin!?!?
http://www.my.calendars.net/icwoven

Anyone can use this link, it has ICW battle information. I hope you don't mind me sharing, Oven.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: ComFrost on July 28, 2012, 08:28:42 AM
Quote from: {212} Nixo on July 28, 2012, 07:55:02 AM
??? When is the 212 vs Elk match on Bespin!?!?
On Oven's ICW calendar, it says that the battle will be at 1PM EST.
Since ELK is the defending clan, we choose Clone Wars as the era and Republic as the side for both maps.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: BlackScorpion on July 28, 2012, 08:52:40 AM
I think my internet has stopped intermittently disappearing and I don't need to help move today, and don't expect the thunderstorms to be big, so I think I can cover for either Wild or Jamman today in case either gets tired and should be able to join Wild tomorrow.

ETA:

Results of 212 (attacking) vs. ELK (defending): 212 won 2-0.

First game:
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/124721708-1.jpg
Second game (I forgot to take an in-game screen shot, but here is a picture taken from the video, which will be uploaded shortly): http://imgur.com/g7c7R

Note: I would like Oven to see the video so he can make a decision RE possible false start. This post will be edited shortly for more detail.

Link to video:
http://www.xfire.com/video/596e0e/

Before the second game began, a member--or perhaps members--made a false start. A warning was given and he retreaded. It was then discovered that a mine had been left, so this--or another 212 member--went to destroy it.  The issue is whether going out to destroy a mine constitutes a second false start, or if it was the "continuation" if you will, of one false start.  Given that no direct advantage was obtained, I do not think 212 should be penalized.


Results of ELK (attacking) vs. FC (defending):

FC won 1-0.
I took a screenshot and it did not "take," but here is one from GDH (Elk) and one from Elite (FC)
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/124722092-3.jpg (ELK)
http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/124722033-3.jpg (FC)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 28, 2012, 02:41:08 PM
dantooine fc vs elk http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/124722033-4.jpg
islands fc vs elk http://i.imgur.com/hgfFi.jpg
docks fc vs elk http://i.imgur.com/WsBtd.jpg
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 28, 2012, 02:58:24 PM
Ok, i remind ya, that tomorrow we attack Tatooine
At 11.00 am EST
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2012, 05:00:03 PM
In a few hours I will make a comprehensive post that deals with the issues raised today. But in advance I will say that all battle results stand.

Quote from: {U.E.F}Immortal Anyder on July 28, 2012, 02:58:24 PM
Ok, i remind ya, that tomorrow we attack Tatooine
At 11.00 am EST

You have quite an imagination!
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 28, 2012, 06:13:28 PM
Me ? LoL
Oven
Re: [ICW] Week 2
« Reply #48 on: July 27, 2012, 08:08:40 PM »
Quote
Quote from: ✫Şђã·Żäм✫ on July 27, 2012, 08:06:13 PM
So...can YAK plan another battle since the Tatooine one was cancelled?

I would say yes but I don't think it would be fair on the clan you attacked
Many things in this tourney arent 100% Fair, Ill remind u what u said to me :)

Anyder :
Re: [ICW] Week 2
« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2012, at 04:22:38 AM »
Quote
Modify
So, we can attack again ?
And if we cant attack them this week
We attack Tatooine

....
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2012, 06:27:17 PM
Quote from: {U.E.F}Immortal Anyder on July 28, 2012, 06:13:28 PM
So, we can attack again ?


Quote from: OvenI would say yes but I don't think it would be fair on the clan you attacked
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 28, 2012, 06:35:23 PM
So yes or no ?
U say Yes with a But, so that means ????
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: SleepKiller on July 28, 2012, 06:40:16 PM
He's saying no. He would say yes but he doesn't think that it would be fair on the other clan.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2012, 06:50:10 PM
That is correct Sleepkiller. I apologize to anyder for being so unclear.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
Results from Today (Sat)

All battle results are upheld, that is:

212 takes Bespin
The false start was amended before the battle began and had no effect on the outcome. A reminder: no mines may be laid before the battle begins.

FC defends Dantooine

GRC defends Yavin IV
GRC delayed this match by a substantial amount of time. Although they defend the planet, there will be a penalty: they may only attack 1 planet next week. In the future: A battle delayed by a given clan by 10 minutes results in this penalty for the clan. A battle delayed for 20 minutes by a given clan is a forfeit.

FC defends Kashyyyk


I would like to tell everyone this: You don't have to worry too much about hiding anything from the admins. There are a few of us and dozens of you. You have the entire other team to worry about. Believe me, if they see the slightest misstep they will record it several times over with screenshots, videos, and so forth. And it lands all over my screen within seconds.

I am confident that these issues have arisen primarily from lack of understanding and not because of actual ill intent. Please familiarize yourself with the rules if you haven't done so already.

Thank you Shazam for posting the calendar. I am reposting it here:
ICW Calendar (updated constantly) (http://www.my.calendars.net/icwoven)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 28, 2012, 09:45:26 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 28, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
Thank you Shazam for posting the calendar. I am reposting it here:
ICW Calendar (updated constantly) (http://www.my.calendars.net/icwoven)
No problem, I think you should edit it into the first post in all the ICW forums.
Quote from: Oven on July 28, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
GRC defends Yavin IV
GRC delayed this match by a substantial amount of time. Although they defend the planet, there will be a penalty: they may only attack 1 planet next week. In the future: A battle delayed by a given clan by 10 minutes results in this penalty for the clan. A battle delayed for 20 minutes by a given clan is a forfeit.
I don't think that is quite fair. We had about 6 members waiting in the server for some GRC to come. At about 5 minutes after, 2 of them left. At 9 minutes after the first GRC showed up, then another at 10 minutes after the battle was going to initially start. Scorpion messaged me asking for me to tell him if GRC shows. My xfire stopped responding for a while, and at about 20 minutes after GRC had 3 members and Nixo (who thought he could be allowed to be a Mercenary for the battle) After 25 minutes of us waiting, GRC finally had 4 members. (one merc)

We gain nothing from their pentalty. It was a huge waste of time for our members. Not to mention that we were late to the Kashyyyk battle because of the issues.

I had 3 potential ELK and YAK members who wanted to try it out, after that battle they decided it was no fun and a waste of their time. GRC needs to tell their members about battles beforehand, not 5 minutes til they start. Several comments were made during the battle that this tourney was much like the GGCW, that's not a good thing.

Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2012, 10:05:13 PM
QuoteWe gain nothing from their pentalty.

If the other clan benefited from an offending clan's penalty, the opportunity for corruption would be clear.

QuoteNot to mention that we were late to the Kashyyyk battle because of the issues.

ELK is not YAK and the FC match should not have been delayed because several YAK could not make it.

The fault in this case clearly lies with GRC and not with us, with the exception that Scorpion should have not let the Yavin battle be delayed for so long. For his first day I would say he did pretty dang well. It will not happen in the future, because no battle will be delayed by over 20 minutes.

QuoteSeveral comments were made during the battle that this tourney was much like the GGCW, that's not a good thing.

I cannot respond to vague, anonymous intimations. (The tournament structure is still open to democratic alterations, if anyone wants to make suggestions.)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Niño on July 29, 2012, 08:30:04 AM
I would just like to reiterate the fact that the Kashyyyk battles were delayed for over an hour because of an insufficient amount of ELK players. If the opposing clan doesn't show up for a certain amount of time, an automatic forfeiture should be declared for wasting the other clan's time. I'm sorry but my daily schedule is fully crammed with other activities besides Battlefront, so please start battles on the dot in the near future, not an hour later....
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 29, 2012, 05:04:03 PM
Attached is a rar file containing 4 screenshots of today's battle results on utapau and rhen var.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: BlackScorpion on July 29, 2012, 05:19:46 PM
FC (attacking) vs. YAK (defending)
FC won, 1-0.

Video: http://www.xfire.com/video/597874/

I believe that this player, whose username I do not know, was right on the line where a false start would need to be called, but I think he was clear (I was watching him, as I saw a shadow and thought it was a mine. Fortunately, it wasn't.)

FC (attacking) vs. YAK (defending)
FC won, 2-0.

Video is too long to be uploaded to xfire, so a workaround is now in progress.
I will, however, offer my opinion: Barry, a member of YAK, decided to flame various members of FC as well as the clan itself.  He was warned to stop flaming.  (In fact, another player of YAK had previously warned to not curse--this event did not occur on video; however, Rage has a picture of it that can be provided if necessary.)  But he continued.  FC has expressed interest in penalties, and I see no reason why penalties should not be carried out.  Additionally, there was a player on YAK who decided to change his name to something along the lines of '[YAK] Darman the Fartman.'  Reasoning that the rule prohibiting impersonation was designed to prevent anybody other than (I'll use Sha-Zam as an example, even though he wasn't there) Sha-Zam from playing as [YAK] Sha-Zam, I did not immediately disqualify YAK.  Instead, I believe that it should be treated as a continuation of the flaming.

I do not know exactly what should be done, other than that punishments to some degree must be given, on which me, Jamman (who was present for Citadel but not Harbor), and FC agree on. Oven, when the video is uploaded, you'll get to make the call.  The factors to take into account are as follows:

-Warnings were given (aggravating);
-FC moving for punishments (aggravating?);
-The behavior akin to impersonation (aggravating); and
-Barry being a fairly unknown player (slightly mitigating, but he should still be expected to behave himself).

ETA: Jamman agrees that it's in your court, Oven.  I will send, via private message, the video (it has FC's team chat).
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 29, 2012, 05:43:03 PM
Well, how about we make this rule:  trouble makers and impersonators will not only be banned from the server, but also from SWBFgamers.com and furthermore be banned from PLA servers, and their IP address will be shared with other server hosts for additional bans from SWBF.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Disciple on July 29, 2012, 06:06:35 PM
Even beeing in YaK,I need to agree with Jamm and Fc about the YaK member Barry,he was really annoying and didn`t  respect anyone in the game,not even me who got really mad at him and said to him shutup like 2 times,so,I think banning him would be a good solution.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 29, 2012, 07:38:14 PM
YAK's penalty will be light, because I think we can all agree that most of their players have been only cordial and fair throughout this tournament. YAK may only attack 1 planet in Week 3. I contemplated not even punishing YAK at all, but I think this is only fair because there has to be some shared responsibility for the upkeep of civility. (The main way to do this is to have someone in charge for each battle who can vet all players present to make sure that they are legitimate YAK members.)

The punishment of the individuals who were involved is more severe. Buckler's post above mine is going to become an official tournament rule, and no, I'm not grandfathering anyone in. Barry's IP information was not obtained, but in the future it will. If he or anyone else dares to behave in a manner remotely resembling what happened at Rhen Var today, they will be subnet banned with extreme prejudice not only from the ICW but from every public server possible, permanently.

The use of another player's name in your own name, whether to impersonate and antagonize, is hereby forbidden.

Penguin is warned for encouraging the flaming.

Week 3 thread (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=4995.0)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 29, 2012, 08:33:24 PM
I will apologize on YAK's behalf. I personally have never heard of a 'Barry' in YAK or ELK, but if I ever see him again I will not allow him to participate in any battles and banned from YAK and ELK.

I do not tolerate unfair or unhonorable acts and decisions. Let this be a warning to all YAK and ELK members that this tournament was meant to be fair and fun and you will be punished if you wish to be in the tournament with ill thoughts.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Led on July 29, 2012, 09:29:23 PM
Chances are it was a fake that was there to cause trouble.  It will be dealt with if it happens again.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {YAK}{212}Col{COM} Johnis on July 30, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
Oven, I respect your desesion but think it is not very fair that YAK punished cbecause some random guy come on with a fake name and starts curseing.It could have happened to any clan. And I would like to know why no one booted him for it.Thanks
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 30, 2012, 08:14:03 AM
The proper punishment must be given so that other clans are not annoyed. They cannot show bias towards one clan.
I think the punishment is fair.

He is going to be banned from YAK/ELK and, I think, all SWBFgamers servers.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 30, 2012, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: JohnisofLU on July 30, 2012, 07:54:42 AM
Oven, I respect your desesion but think it is not very fair that YAK punished cbecause some random guy come on with a fake name and starts curseing.It could have happened to any clan. And I would like to know why no one booted him for it.Thanks

I can only speak for FC. If someone joined with a fake FC name and started cursing and acting the way Barry did, we would have vote kicked him in less than a minute.
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: {212th} Ldr. Norris on July 30, 2012, 08:36:25 PM
Quote from: Phobos on July 30, 2012, 10:03:12 AM
I can only speak for FC. If someone joined with a fake FC name and started cursing and acting the way Barry did, we would have vote kicked him in less than a minute.

Agreed Phobos, 212 would have done the same.  :D But the problem with YAK/ELK is that they were just recently formed and no one really knows every person in the clan so it wasnt as easy for them to detect an imposter.  ;)
Title: Re: [ICW] Week 2
Post by: Joseph on July 30, 2012, 08:44:14 PM
Quote from: {212} =-Norris-= on July 30, 2012, 08:36:25 PM


Agreed Phobos, 212 would have done the same.  :D But the problem with YAK/ELK is that they were just recently formed and no one really knows every person in the clan so it wasnt as easy for them to detect an imposter.  ;)

even if barry was a legit member they should have kicked him based on his behavior
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