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Title: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 20, 2014, 06:32:52 PM
ICW4 Official Map Pack (http://speedy.sh/X83fa/ICW4-Official-Map-Pack.7z)

Week 2 Tournament Map
(http://imgur.com/5R6vPu2)
Rules (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7924.0)

No clan or clan not participating? Anyone can participate in ICW4 games by joining YAK here (http://www.swbfgamers.com/index.php?topic=7928.0)

Administration:

Lead Admins:
Dark Phantom (xfire: phantom567459)
Oven/Joseph (joseph9371)

Admins:
Phantom Bunny (xfire: happytoadfrog)
PatriotNorwood (norwood96)
Syrion (nykwoonjinn)




W1 results:




Read this:

1. For now, still 2 attacks per clan.

2. We still could use more admins. More admins means a greater chance of increasing the attack number.

3. Starting this week, use your clan list name(s) only. I may know who you are, but others won't. If you want to use other names, have them added to your clan list next to your original name.



Battle Schedule:

Saturday:

2 EST (8 Berlin) / BOB@FC+UEF / Nar Shaddaa
3 EST (9 Berlin) / YAK@GRC / Platforms
4 EST (10 Berlin) / BOB@FC+UEF / Italia
5 EST (11 Berlin) / YAK@FC+UEF / Jabba
6:30 EST ( 12:30a Berlin) / FC+UEF@YAK / Mos
7 EST (1a Berlin) / GRC@BOB / Mustafar
7:30 EST (1:30a Berlin) / FC+UEF@YAK / Streets

Sunday:
7 EST (1a Berlin) / GRC@YAK/ Cloud City
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 20, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: GRC
Planet: Bespin Platforms
Date: Saturday, July 26th
Time: 3:00 PM EST
Era/Side: Rebels
Server location: Chicago

Attacking clan: YAK
Defending clan: FC/UEF
Planet: Tatooine Jabba's Palace
Date: Saturday, July 26th
Time: 5:00 PM EST
Era/Side: Republic
Server location: Chicago
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 20, 2014, 11:16:35 PM
Attacking clan: FC/UEF
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Mos Eisley
Date: Sat, July 26
Time: 6:30PM EST
Era/Side: Empire

Server location: Chicago

Attacking clan: FC/UEF
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Coruscant Streets
Date: Sat, July 26
Time: 7:30PM EST
Era/Side: Empire

Server location: Chicago
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Unit 33 on July 21, 2014, 01:07:47 AM
Added week 2 map to first post:

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/5R6vPu2.png)[/spoiler]
Mock if it contains error.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: jrodr141 on July 21, 2014, 08:46:34 PM
Attacking clan: GRC
Defending clan: BOB
Planet: Mustafar
Date: Saturday
Time: 7pm EST
Era/Side: Republic
Server location: Chicago

Attacking clan: GRC
Defending clan: YAK
Planet: Bespin Cloud City
Date: Sunday
Time: 7pm EST
Era/Side: Clones
Server location: Chicago
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Ltin on July 22, 2014, 07:29:55 AM
Quote from: Unit 33 on July 21, 2014, 01:07:47 AM
Added week 2 map to first post:

[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/5R6vPu2.png)[/spoiler]
Mock if it contains error.
yak does not have all planets
/mock
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 22, 2014, 09:56:50 AM
Rodri, GRC  can't attack Kamino as it's not connected to Platforms.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Dark_Phantom on July 23, 2014, 07:35:27 PM
Attacking clan: BOB
Defending clan: FC/UEF
Planet: Nar Shaddaa:  The Roof
Date: Saturday, July 26th
Time: 2:00 PM EST
Era/Side: CW, BOB chooses Republic
Server location: Chicago

Attacking clan: BOB
Defending clan: FC/UEF
Planet: Italia
Date: Saturday, July 26th
Time: 4:00 PM EST
Era/Side: GCW, BOB chooses Empire
Server location: Chicago
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: {Alpha} Kiwi on July 25, 2014, 07:04:00 PM
Sam wanted to post this and his Internet is bad:


sredderipod: Is this the yak against GRC battle now?
{Alpha} Kiwi: er
{Alpha} Kiwi: I think thats tomorrow
sredderipod: Someone was supposed to ask it to be moved to Monday or Tuesday next week because it doesn't really work this weekend
sredderipod: Can you pass that on please?
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2014, 02:56:55 AM
There were no matches for friday...

These are all matches:


[spoiler]ICW4 Week 2 Matches

Saturday:
· BOB vs FC/UEF - Nar Shaddaa - BOB is Republic / FC/UEF is CSI - US Host - 8:00pm Berlin time
· YAK vs GRC - Platforms - YAK is Rebels / GRC is Empire - US Host - 9:00pm Berlin time
· BOB vs FC/UEF - Italia - BOB is Empire / FC/UEF is Rebels- US Host - 10:00pm Berlin time
· YAK vs FC/UEF - Jabba's Palace - YAK is Republic / FC/UEF is CSI - US Host - 11:00pm Berlin time
· YAK vs FC/UEF- Mos Eisley - YAK is Rebels / FC/UEF is Empire - US Host - 12:00am Berlin time (Saturday night)
· GRC vs BOB - Mustafar - BOB is CSI/GRC is REpublic - US Host - 1:00am Berlin time (Saturday night)
· YAK vs FC/UEF - Corus Streets - UEF/FC is Empire / YAKis Rebels- US Host - 2:00am Berlin time (Saturday night)

Sunday:
· YAK vs GRC - Cloudy City - GRC is Republic/GRC is CSI - US Host - 1:00am Berlin time (Sunday night)

[/spoiler]
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Syyy on July 26, 2014, 11:20:27 AM
FC defends Nar Shadda against BOB. Well played to both teams.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 26, 2014, 12:22:39 PM
YAK takes platforms
FC defends Italia
FC defends Jabba
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2014, 03:50:27 PM
FC/UEF Takes mos
[spoiler](http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919779-4.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2014, 04:18:34 PM
BOB defends Mustafar
[spoiler](http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919853-4.jpg)[/spoiler]
GG

FC Takes Streets
[spoiler](http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919883-4.jpg)[/spoiler]
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 26, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
FC/UEF won all 5 battles today

[spoiler]Nar Shaddaa
(http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919089-4.jpg)

Italia
(http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919371-4.jpg)

Jabba
(http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919549-4.jpg)

Mos Eisley
(http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919789-4.jpg)

Coruscant Streets
(http://screenshot.xfire.com/s/129919887-4.jpg)[/spoiler]

Quote from: LtinThe first and likely not the last scandal of the icw4 began this week, with FC accusing YAK of hacking various players isps and slowing down their Internet services to gain an advantage, and that they convinced Oven, the lead Admin of the icw4, to let it slide.
Just to clarify, this never happened. FC never accused YAK of hacking, Ltin just likes to make things up out of nowhere.

Also ADMIN Syrion plays for YAK, as an actual member. Oven only MERC for FC, he's not a full member. So I dont see why you're complaining.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
I don't dispute the outcome of the battle, but I feel that admits shouldn't be participating in a battle they also Admin.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 26, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
With or without Joseph we would have won lol...

Also we didn't win cause of him, we won thanks to our skill...

EDIT: In fact, look at his KDR lol, don't complain
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Gold Man on July 26, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
Quote from: Hades on July 26, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
With or without Joseph we would have won lol...

Also we didn't win cause of him, we won thanks to our skill...

EDIT: In fact, look at his KDR lol, don't complain
He said he didn't dispute the outcome, he just felt Joseph should've been more of a stationary admin than an active one. At no point didn't he complain about the win. I thought it was a good game anyways.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: Hades on July 26, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
With or without Joseph we would have won lol...

Also we didn't win cause of him, we won thanks to our skill...

EDIT: In fact, look at his KDR lol, don't complain
Look, I don't want to start a rage war, and I didn't want to get an conversations like this going.
I am not complaining. Yet. But Admins should be partial.  If they are playing for a certain side, they are not. Whether or not you would have won isn't the point, the point is, by participating in a match, the mediator (admin) can't be considered partial, and the match is therefor unfair.

Quote from: Gold Man on July 26, 2014, 05:02:12 PM
He said he didn't dispute the outcome, he just felt Joseph should've been more of a stationary admin than an active one. At no point didn't he complain about the win. I thought it was a good game anyways.
Infact
Quote from: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 04:54:54 PM
I don't dispute the outcome of the battle, but I feel that admins shouldn't be participating in a battle they also Admin.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Shazam on July 26, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
Joseph/Oven asked for my consent before both of the battles, and I told him I did not mind if he played with FC/UEF.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to have an admin that does not play at each match, though.  Perhaps in the future we could do that.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 26, 2014, 05:06:57 PM
Quote from: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 05:02:24 PM
by participating in a match, the mediator (admin) can't be considered partial, and the match is therefor unfair.
If admins shouldn't play, this is surely not the reason.

The better argument would be that when I'm not in freecam, I can't see potential violations. But really, once the battle starts, the admin's job is essentially over. Violations of the sort you could only see in freecam are extremely rare. I think they happened maybe twice in the whole ICW3. 

I can still boot/ban players who join late, etc.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Dark_Phantom on July 26, 2014, 05:16:44 PM
This should not even be a complaint.  He asked YAK if it was ok and they agreed to it.  Actually, I did not hear any complaints until losing on Streets.

I felt that it was fair.  In every battle that he was participating in, I was in as well.  Therefore, there was an Admin on both sides of the battle.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 26, 2014, 05:06:57 PM
If admins shouldn't play, this is surely not the reason.
But it is a reason. You can try all you want to be partial, that doesn't mean the result won't be biased. If you participate, you hope your side wins. People always like it when their side wins.
The freecam issue in the icw 3 happened. There is a chance it could happen again.
Quote
Amendment 2 (Filming)

The admin of a match must film the match via freecam.

Corollary: An admin may not play in a match.
Why isn't this a rule now? Wouldn't we want to avoid another incident like the icw3? Now don't get we wrong, I wasn't there, but wouldn't we want to avoid abuse of power?

There won't always be an Admin on both sides of the battle, perhaps in this case it was fine, but I just think it's a bit unfair.
I'm said what I think should be said, and I'm done.  I don't want to be here when this turns into the rage fests it's probably going to become -_-.  So I'm no longer going to comment on this now I think, so leave me out of it.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 26, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 05:22:03 PM
But it is a reason. You can try all you want to be partial, that doesn't mean the result won't be biased. If you participate, you hope your side wins. People always like it when their side wins.

If you actually took this seriously you'd also be criticizing every other admin for being members of BOB or YAK. But you aren't (and shouldn't be, because they are all trustworthy).

If you don't trust me to not be corrupt while playing, how could you possibly trust me to not be  corrupt when making large scale administrative decisions? Again, it's hard to take your position seriously in light of these contradictions.

QuoteThe freecam issue in the icw 3 happened. There is a chance it could happen again. Why isn't this a rule now? Wouldn't we want to avoid another incident like the icw3? Now don't get we wrong, I wasn't there, but wouldn't we want to avoid abuse of power?

This tournament is not even remotely like the ICW3. We aren't robots. We can adapt to new situations. The new situation is that everyone seems to get along, and no one cheats. If that changes, the administration will change.

QuoteThere won't always be an Admin on both sides of the battle, perhaps in this case it was fine, but I just think it's a bit unfair.
I'm said what I think should be said, and I'm done.  I don't want to be here when this turns into the rage fests it's probably going to become -_-.  So I'm no longer going to comment on this now I think, so leave me out of it.
Don't worry, I want to hear your opinion and am glad you raised the issue. This won't turn into a rage fest!
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Syyy on July 26, 2014, 05:45:51 PM
Ltin, Norwood and I are also admins, or atleast we are helping Oven/Joseph, and we played for YAK in this Jabba battle. I understand that you expected an admin to not play for any side, but we were also outnumbering FC/UEF by 3 members, this is why they needed another merc.

Maybe they didn't have enough players and thus asked Oven for his participation since he had previously played for FC.
Maybe this was an extreme situation ( indeed the person supposed to monitor the match happened to play ) but if it didn't happen, we would have had to boot one of YAK player for the sides to remain fair.

I could also merc for a clan that wants/needs me, and I don't think it would cause any more trouble.
Perhaps a lack of communication is to blame ( eventhough Oven clearly asked us, and we agreed/allowed him )? Would you want to get more informations ( what kind ) when something like this has to happen?

Edit : excuse my messy sentences its pretty late over there in Europe.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Norwood on July 26, 2014, 06:37:35 PM
H'mm I feel since this relates to me as well that I should comment on this. This is my opinion, it is and always should be fine for someone who is an admin to play for a team, as long as there is a admin present who is not playing. There should always be someone present to watch over the game, answer players questions, and be ready for anything that might occur. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Ltin on July 26, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
I'll say one more thing,
I realize all the admins are in participating clans. I don't care. But when they play it takes their attention away from other matters that might be more important. Such as observing their own clan for bananas things. On a probably unrelated note, what was with babyeater's  website hack name thing?
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: {PLA}gdh92 on July 27, 2014, 03:37:15 AM
Just to let people know I went over the max video length when I recorded Jabba (probably because I have it on high settings, I think it worked before with longer). If anyone does want to see me die repeatedly just ask and I'll make a Youtube account to upload to. :)

About Joseph mercing - YAK agreed, including myself, so no objections.
Maybe it's best if there is an admin who isn't playing in future but I don't mind the last matches; at Jabba if Joseph hadn't played we would have to lose a player anyway and as long as Joseph plays for any team who asks so there's no accusations of Bias he deservers to play as much as anyone else.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Syyy on July 27, 2014, 10:36:11 AM
May I add, Phobos, something about your post you edited 10 hours later : the part you are quoting is entirely fictionnal and was written as an example for Ltin's newspaper project. I think the concerns Ltin expressed are now sorted out. There's no need to beat a dead horse.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2014, 01:25:34 PM
How do clans feel about increasing the attacks per week from 2 to 3? (It depends on other things besides clan approval.)
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
Sounds perfect to us*
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Phobos on July 27, 2014, 01:52:34 PM
Quote from: Oven on July 27, 2014, 01:25:34 PM
How do clans feel about increasing the attacks per week from 2 to 3? (It depends on other things besides clan approval.)
sounds good
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2014, 04:10:46 PM
YAK defends CC, GRC is eliminated.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: -=(212) Nixo=- on July 27, 2014, 04:57:10 PM
Has there been any decision on how long this tournament will run for?
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Anyder on July 27, 2014, 04:58:59 PM
Joseph and I discussed it, and it might last 5-6 weeks...

Last word is Joe's
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 27, 2014, 05:10:18 PM
I think 6 weeks is the longest we can expect it to run. But if we increase to 3 attacks per week, it may not even last that long.

It also depends on admin availability. School for me starts the week after W6, but for others it may start sooner. Maybe the best thing is to increase to 3 attacks while we can, but go back to 2 in later weeks.
Title: Re: ICW4 Week 2
Post by: Oven on July 28, 2014, 09:12:18 AM
Italia video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnkIMJS6y9E

Mos video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sb9Dlh8n5pc
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