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TESB Valken-38
« on: December 01, 2017, 09:20:00 AM »
This is a revision of my Valken-38 weapon model. I looked at screenshots of The Empire Strikes Back and made a realisation: that gun Dengar is holding is NOT a DLT-19, so I did a Google search. Turns out that Dengar is holding an unnamed gun very similar to the Valken-38, but based entirely off the MG-42 instead of what the Valken-38X is based off (the barrel of the MG-34 and the rear end of the FG-42). So I went back and did this to make it more accurate to the weapon Dengar wields in The Empire Strikes Back.

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2017, 03:37:31 AM »
This is a revision of my Valken-38 weapon model. I looked at screenshots of The Empire Strikes Back and made a realisation: that gun Dengar is holding is NOT a DLT-19, so I did a Google search. Turns out that Dengar is holding an unnamed gun very similar to the Valken-38, but based entirely off the MG-42 instead of what the Valken-38X is based off (the barrel of the MG-34 and the rear end of the FG-42). So I went back and did this to make it more accurate to the weapon Dengar wields in The Empire Strikes Back.

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It's not the DLT-19? Then we've all been wrong this entire time?
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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2017, 06:16:12 AM »
It's not the DLT-19? Then we've all been wrong this entire time?

Yup. Confusing matters is a publicity shot from TESB in which Dengar is holding a DLT-19 but in the film itself, it's this gun instead. This is reflected in the Sideshow Collectibles figure:

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2017, 08:30:16 AM »
I have no recollection of this scene having been in the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmPIJvkoOI0

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2017, 08:39:59 AM »
I have no recollection of this scene having been in the movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmPIJvkoOI0

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Yeah, his appearance was pretty much just a cameo and it was essentially 'cut' but he is definitely among the lineup of bounty hunters in that scene. He also cameos in ROTJ but there he's holding an MPL-57 instead.

Here's one of the publicity stills for TESB (with the DLT-19):

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Here's the screenshot of the filming for that scene (Dengar is next to IG-88 but the camera stopped before it got to him). It might not be so easy to see but you can see the barrel of an MG-42 instead of an MG-34:

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2017, 11:53:15 AM »
Yeah he's just barely there in the movie. He became a bigger character in the EU. And now in Lego shows and EA SWBF
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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2017, 03:04:16 AM »
This ain't Sci-Fi anymore, that thing's straight from WW2, they weren't very creative with this one, lol...  :P

I get strong steampunk vibes from it though...

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2017, 03:14:28 AM »
This ain't Sci-Fi anymore, that thing's straight from WW2, they weren't very creative with this one, lol...  :P

I get strong steampunk vibes from it though...

Well, the DLT-19 was just an MG-34 with a few additional barrel pieces. I read the new "Behind the Helmet" book and a lot of the props were recycled WW2 guns as they were on a budget. The canon version, the Valken-38X, is just the barrel of the MG-42 attached to the handle of an FG-42. I'm guessing given Dengar wasn't seen up close you weren't supposed to see the gun in detail.
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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2017, 03:50:09 AM »
So technically the gun ain't canon... Despite being part of the movie...
Your model strongly reminds me of the Blaster Machinegun from Galactic Warfare, I wonder which model they used as a reference... And... I'm staritng to get a bit confused with the names... I also thought it was the DLT-19.  :confused:

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Re: TESB Valken-38
« Reply #9 on: December 07, 2017, 03:57:23 AM »
So technically the gun ain't canon... Despite being part of the movie...
Your model strongly reminds me of the Blaster Machinegun from Galactic Warfare, I wonder which model they used as a reference... And... I'm staritng to get a bit confused with the names... I also thought it was the DLT-19.  :confused:

Well, the gun is canon as it should have appeared in film. It's the same case as with the DLT-19 and the DLT-19X - the DLT-19 is the machine gun and the DLT-19X is the sniper rifle modification. As for the name, this one is the Valken-38. Look at it this way: the Valken-38 is based off the MG42 while the DLT-19  is based off the MG34. They're similar at a glance but up close there are obvious differences. In fact the old DC-15X from the original games resembles the MG42 with a scope.

In the promo still and in the 2015 Battlefront title, Dengar wields a DLT-19. In the behind-the-scenes shot above he wields the Valken-38. The 2015 title uses the DLT-19 - probably because of the promo shot, and the fact they had the DLT-19 model already. They did recycle models where possible.
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